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Any One Ever Pay to Fly First Class to Europe?

Any One Ever Pay to Fly First Class to Europe?

Feb 7th, 2004, 01:08 PM
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I always had fantasies of flying the Concord, once.
But what is the diffrence between business and first class ?
I ask only because I heard there is lots more leg room and my h. is 6'41/2 "
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Feb 7th, 2004, 01:10 PM
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ira, that comment comfuses me. Are you suggesting that the business travelers and the ones with FF tickets won't be expecting such perfect service? It has been my experience that they are the ones who seem to demand more not less than the ones who freely pay out the big prices for the first or business class seats. That's not unlike the once or twice a year big spender at a great restaurant. Suddenly he becomes the fine dining expert and becomes twice as demanding as the person who eats in those places frequently.
 
Feb 7th, 2004, 01:22 PM
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Go for it!!

$5000 is cheap for 2 tix to Europe from west coast. Are they for First of Business? Most likely they have to be Business. I think since there is a stop, you are flying First to the East coast and Business over water??? BA and United have the best Business class seats in the industry, BTW.

If flying United, try to fly a 3 class cabin plane transcon and stay in Business there too. Much better than a 2 class Frist class. Get on a 777 if possible.

The niceties of flying priviledged class is not just the extra leg room- you check in seperately, get to wait in priviledged lounge, i.e. Red Carpet, etc... Board earlier... Have REAL beverages, noise reduction headphones, etc... Real food that you can eat. It's an EXPERIENCE to be enjoyed like everything else.

Who cares about the cost difference going to food? how much can you eat! who cares about paying for another trip, who's to say you can ever make another trip??? Eating at a 5* Michelin restaurant in Paris, diving in the Great Barrier Reef, flying First or Business are all experiences to be had.

Another alternative is to by coach class tickets, and buy upgradeable coupons from *B** or something... works out cheaper than paying full price.

Good luck and have fun.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 01:26 PM
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I think if I wanted to splurge, I'd perhaps fly coach and then do something REALLY special once I got to Ireland. Maybe stay in a suite at a very expensive castle for a couple of nights.
( Sheesh, I don't know maybe that money would only buy ONE night!). But you'd have a lot more actual hours of being spoiled and the freedom to enjoy the the whole castle experience. HOw wonderful that you want to splurge for your 20th anniversary. I'm sure you're wife will be thrilled no matter what you decide. Happy Anniversary.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 01:30 PM
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Have you tried BA or Virgin Atlantic ? Both do an upgrade from economy, BA is called 'World Traveller Plus', gives much better seating, although other services are the same I think. Costs much less than business or first....I've been lucky enough to be upgraded a couple of times, and it's worth it.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 01:33 PM
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CalGirlSusan, can you (or anyone else) confirm that any American Airlines coach fare (including C or whatever the cheapest bargain rate fare is called) can be upgraded. Nearly all of my FF miles are with American, and I think I was told that upgrades didn't work with the cheapest fares.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 02:01 PM
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Joe,

If you look at AA's one way upgrade chart on their website, you'll see a column labeled "From Economy Full-Fare" and another labeled "From Most Economy/
Business Class Fares". There is a higher number of miles required to upgrade from discounted fares, but you can do it.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 02:05 PM
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mlc,
Yes, we did. In the past few years, several international airlines have been offering good deals in business class from the West Coast, and due to a major celebration, I decided to spend the tax refund on biz class. I did not regret that decision.

While everyone here is right about saving the money to spend on another trip or a really fabulous hotel room, we on the West coast are in the air 11 hours, which is certainly not as long as someone flying from Australia, but it's still not a quick jaunt over the pond either.

It's also more comfortable if you have, as you said, medical issues in the past, or a bad back, where you can ease the pressure by being able to recline pretty far back.

Consider this: are you at the peak of your earning power? Because if you are, you may never have the opportunity to go business class or first class a few years down the road. Do you deserve it? Who doesn't, especially your wife, whom you say was incredible through the medical issues. Once you put down the money, you may kick yourself a few times, but you'll get over it! If you don't spend the extra money doing something you've been wanting to do, later on when you can't afford it, you might be kicking yourself and regretting that you can never, ever do again what you could, at this time do. Since you're going to be hit with the guilt on either end, you might as well feel guilty in comfort.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 02:16 PM
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Yes, Calgirl Susan, I think you're out of date. Several years ago I could still upgrade from any ticket on AA. But that changed about two years ago, I think, to the current system of different mileage requirements from full fare and from discounted fares.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 02:19 PM
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How about booking a row of 3 seats on an airline that has reasonable legroom?
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Feb 7th, 2004, 03:05 PM
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>...that comment comfuses me. Are you suggesting that the business travelers and the ones with FF tickets won't be expecting such perfect service?<

This is an example of how different folks have different experiences.

On the few times that I have flown 1cl I have been exposed to people in track suits, unwashed people in sweats, unhappy babies, rude drunks and indifferent staff.

Fortunately, I hadn't paid for it. I can get the same ambience in cattle class.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 03:43 PM
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If you can afford the first or business class tickets, go for it. We live out West also and it's a long, long way to Europe from here and I think well worth the price if you can afford it. As others have said, it's so much more comfortable in the front of the plane. Last time we went to Europe we flew business class and what a difference in how we felt when we arrived. Besides, who knows what tomorrow will bring, so go for it now.
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Feb 7th, 2004, 04:14 PM
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I don't know about ambiance. I don't think there's ever any ambiance on a commecial jet - you need a private plane for that. What I really enjoy about first class is the tremendous amount of extra leg room and the really comfy big armchair that reclines all the way back so you can actually sleep instead of fidgeting all night.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 06:17 AM
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>What I really enjoy about first class is the tremendous amount of extra leg room and the really comfy big armchair that reclines all the way back so you can actually sleep instead of fidgeting all night.<

I agree that 1cl is much better than cattle class, but isn't $3500 a night a bit pricey for a hotel room?

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Feb 8th, 2004, 06:43 AM
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What about flying coach in one direction and first class the other way? If it were me, I'd fly over first class and back in coach.
I don't think it's worth the price difference. Upgrade your hotels and food!
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Feb 8th, 2004, 06:58 AM
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Marilyn, checking your math I kindly note that you computed the cost based on only 10 hours. At 20 hours for the round trip, it would be $87.50

It is actually a 14 hour trip each way. I suppose that they will be able to use a first class lounge at both of the connecting cities. That's 28 hours of "first class experience". Add 1 hour in the FC lounge at each airport to get 30 hours.

3500/30/2 =58 and change. Call it $60 an hour.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 07:15 AM
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unless 5 grand is chump change to you, you are crazy for thinking about 1st class. There is so much you can do with $3500. 1st class is great, but economically a rip off for most travelers. Happy Anniversary!
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Feb 8th, 2004, 07:55 AM
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Dear mlc, the fact that you describe this consideration a "splurge" suggests to me you really can't afford the expense. If this is not the case, treat yourselves well and fly Business or First.

Financially, I'm a pretty conservative gal and I never encourage someone to deficit spend. Considering your health concerns, this is a question that would be more appropriate for your doctor and your financial advisor combined.

Like many people flying Business, I fly Business for business. The cost of the ticket is built into the budget for any project involving travel. It's not an issue of tapping the Life Savings.

Comparing Business to Coach, especially on such a long flight, is like comparing green apples to blood oranges and only people of a limited income would use the argument "think of what you could buy with the extra money."

If you think it necessary to question the significance of the cost differential, I would say you probably shouldn't be spending so much money.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 08:04 AM
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Wow. What a great response. Thank you all no matter which way your suggestion landed! The airline is Continental (I flew them a year ago for the first time to France in coach and thougt they were great)and I confirmed by phone yesterday that it is the real price for a short time. Crazy? Perhaps. But I think a mermory for a lifetime. We are in our mid 40's, we will be staying in B&B's in Ireland, so I think we can do First Class even if it is very expensive. What the heck!?! Thanks again.
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Feb 8th, 2004, 08:05 AM
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Ira -

If the company is paying $3500 is not too much - or using FF miles is worth it. If its coming out of my pocket (until I win the Lotto) yes it is. But - if I did win the Lotto I would go First Class everytime (I don;t understand those people who buy tickets forever, then win $25 million and "splurge' on a new car and continue to work. If you've got it spend it!)
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