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sarah spriggs Jul 21st, 1999 07:48 AM

AMERICANS...yikes! #2
This is a branch from the first forum with this title. I was in London recently, and noticed some obnoxious american tourists in the tube station. They were soo loud, and seems to disturb other passengers. <BR>Do Londoners get annoyed by this at all? Are american too loud, or Londoners too conservative?

Helen Jul 21st, 1999 08:27 AM

Well, it looks like Wes's attempt to pour oil on troubled waters has gotten a bit garbled. This thread promises to be like pouring oil on a fire. Let the nationality-bashing begin!

Robin Jul 21st, 1999 08:48 AM

YEAH - I'm AMERICAN, I'M LOUD & PROUD OF IT!!! What of it? <BR>[tongue firmly planted in cheek, kidding, just kidding] <BR>I think overall the Brits kinda like us folks from the states, even if we do tend towards a more boisterous & garrulous demeanor. We may be noisy & obnoxious at times, but I believe the vast majority of American visitors are well intentioned. <BR>[Yes, I know what the road to hell is paved with]. <BR> <BR>But since we're bound to stir the pot with this topic, let me add fuel to the flames and note that oftimes, my favorite travellers are Australians. Those Aussies, they also can be very exuberant & outgoing (not unlike an American).

Cherie Jul 21st, 1999 09:51 AM

I would have responded with humor here but after being trampled, forget it. <BR> <BR> I have been on the tube through London when 2 teens for some reason began staring at me, wispering jokes. I was dressed conservatively as we were en route to a meeting. I had been in London many times before and have relatives there so I was unaware of what their (the kids) problem was. My spouse told me to ignore them as they were having a rough go of life (guessing, not judging) from their dress and behavior and we were off to a meeting and then vacation in Prague and were relatively carefree. He felt sorry for them. Obnoxious persons come in all shapes and sizes, let alone nationalities. Ignore them. Why bottle up bad karma?

Q. P. Jul 21st, 1999 08:29 PM

One small thing that may make Americans seem rude to English people is that though we're pretty good with "thank you," most of us don't sprinkle "please" into ordinary commercial transactions nearly as liberally as the English do. When an American orders food or drink or buys something in a shop, he or she generally just orders it with an "I'll have the such-and-such" or some equivalent; we don't mean to be rude, it's just that we tend to save our polite gesture for the "thank you" at the end of the transaction. English folk, I notice, put in at least one "please" (and sometimes several, with often a "thanks," as well) at the beginning, as well as thanks--both on delivery and on payment--at the end. <BR> <BR>Incidentally, having trained myself to the habit of using "please" in these situations much more often when in Britain, I find myself using it a lot more often when I'm back home, too--and I could swear that I'm seeing much more goodwill on the part of waitstaff and clerks as a result, who seem to find it a rare and pleasant custom ;) <BR> <BR>Q. P.

Ginny Jul 22nd, 1999 03:49 AM

As an American living in London, I can give you three examples of how Brits feel about us: <BR>1. a good analogy... Americans are Golden Retrievers (happy, gregarious, "I want to be your friend", bouncing, loud, outwardly friendly...Brits are Poodles - very formal, proper, sniff at you, not outwardly friendly... <BR>2. As for the "loud" factor...they figure we have to be so loud to be heard across the prairies... <BR>3. If in a situation where everything starts to go wrong...i.e., transportation delays, rude behavior, etc. - they are happy if an American is there because the American will start complaining and someone will have to respond to the complaint (Brits as a rule don't complain - they just accept their lot in life). <BR>Take it for what it's worth... <BR> <BR>

cp Jul 22nd, 1999 07:36 AM

I'm just amused that Sarah assumed that those same loud people would not be just as obnoxious and annoying back at home in the states...

Richard Jul 22nd, 1999 07:40 AM

Enough already with the judgement of people! I have seen a lot of obnoxious people in Europe and at home (in Los Angeles) and guess what? They aren't all Americans!

Al Jul 22nd, 1999 08:58 AM

Working as a volunteer, I deal continuously with tourists. If I may be permitted to generalize, I have come to the conclusion that when any person (male or female, mind you) is tired, hot, stressed out, hungry, thirsty, or possibly immersed in a language other than their native tongue or in a culture that is not their own -- they can become very testy, loud, and even obnoxious. Where they come from has very little to do with their behaviour. It is their current condition that counts. A soft answer, a direct reply, a bit of their own language works wonders. And don't forget to smile! Vehrstehen sie?

Bob Jul 22nd, 1999 10:00 AM

I would not use the term Loud & Obnoxious. But I would use Loud. Americans as a group talk louder than most people in Europe. Many times we have been having dinner and could tell if the people who just entered were Americans from how loud they were talking. My wife and I have worked on lowering our voices in Europe so we don't call undue attention to ourselves or appear to be rude. <BR>

Bly Jul 22nd, 1999 10:27 AM

My observations are that people act as to how they're accustomed to at home. Generally this is not the same as where they're visiting. In Europe - Americans are generally louder than the locals. In Australia, I couldn't come close to the boisterousness of the Aussies (a lot of fun trying though). Alternately, I live in a resort that caters to an international clientele. The locals here complain not of the Americans but of the international tourists - don't tip, smoke too much, don't queue up, etc. Everyone just needs to be a little more tolerant. "Can't we all just get along" b <BR>

Kittie Jul 23rd, 1999 01:12 PM

I have a question: <BR>Why is it that the Americans are regularly "trounced" and put down in forums? It sometimes seems like nobody wants Americans visiting their countries. We are said to be too loud, too obnoxious, too demanding, too picky, too abrupt, have no manners (the please and thank you topic), and complain too much. <BR>I live in Florida and come into contact with visitors from many other countries. Some are wonderful, and some are abnoxious. I agree with Al when he said that travelers of any nationality can be difficult when they are tired and hungry. I just don't think that you can catagorize people into specific nationalities. <BR>Then, back to my original question...why do poeple on forums like this ( and others including the Lonely Planet) continue to put down American tourists? Would they rather that we stay home and not spend money in their countries? <BR>Kittie

Howard Jul 23rd, 1999 02:18 PM

Kittie: It's not just Europeans who put down us traveling Americans on this forum, it's just as often--if not more so--other Americans who do it! <BR>The reason IMO are many, including: <BR>1. It's fashionable. <BR>2. It's jealously. <BR>3. It's snobbery.

Howard Jul 23rd, 1999 02:19 PM

oops, that second reason above should be "jealousy."

wendy Jul 23rd, 1999 04:36 PM

I've hostelled in the US and I think Aussies are the worst. There were some in our group joking about carrying weapons AT THE WHITE HOUSE, for pete's sake. It was the Aussies who were noisy at night, who drank against the rules, etc. Don't get me wrong, they were overall friendly (and exuberent) people, but they didn't seem to know when to quit.

Sheila Jul 24th, 1999 01:53 AM

As an expert on Americans ( one trip 10 years ago, but hey! have you seen the television?) couldd I make some comments? <BR> <BR>No people/ nationality/ race is all good or all bad, and stereotypes are almmost always unhelpful; but because they are stereotypes one hsa to rise above them to let the shiny happy people beneath be seen. <BR> <BR>1. You are used to a much higher quality of service (in shops, bars etc) than we are in Britain. That is our loss, but one reason that we find you hard is because you complain when you don't get what you ought reasonably have been able to expect. <BR> <BR>2.The comment about "Please" is relevant. A long time ago when I was a student I spent a summer working in a big hotel in Stratford on Avon which took the tour buses. I won't bor you with details but I'm sure you can imagine what 10 weeks exposure to large groups of hot, fretting, cattle fodder, hungry and in a hurry and not really sure which town they were in Americans did for cross Atlantic relationships. <BR> <BR>3. You are brought up to believe you are the best. Second is not good enough. You have a (perhaps justifiable) arrogance derived from America's place in the world. And it permeates your every interaction. <BR> <BR>4. The person who said (about Brits and Americans) that we are two peoples divided by a single language got it absolutely right. We are not the same. Fodorites, being sensitive flowers, would not dream of visiting foreign countries without learning a bit about the culture and often the language ( See Martha's recent imprecation to me to learn Greek) Well, even in Britain that is necessary. <BR> <BR>I live in Aberdeen, which as you may know had a very large American population from about 1970 to 1988, and I have a very good book called "Brit-think, Ameri-think" which someone gave me thinking it was a humourous present. It's actually quite deep, and I would recommend it or something like it to those visiting the peatbogs of the westmost European Island group. <BR> <BR>That lot is meant to be objective and not judgemental, so please don't shout at me. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>

Dave Jul 24th, 1999 06:53 AM

I wonder what the locals thought of those loud, boisterous Saxon tourists who swarmed across England back in the 5th century? Or those swaggering, conceited Norman knights following in William's wake? <BR> <BR>Keep the pillaging to a minimum, try not to disembowel too many peasants, and we Americans will be two steps up on past invaders. <BR> <BR>Seriously, though. If you spend too much time taking responsibility for the actions of your compatriots, you'll just end up frustrated and discouraged. Why feel guilty about something you have no control over?

Susan Jul 24th, 1999 10:20 AM

I concur about Americans being too noisy. In France, I loved the peace & quiet in restaurants and on public transportation. On a 4 hour trip on the TGV, even the babies were quiet (1 fussed a bit but very softly). And on a local bus tour, filled with teen-agers just off from school, it was very quiet. How refreshing! <BR> Contrast this with eating in a restaurant in the San Francisco Bay area - in popular places (e.g., Italian restaurants, Chevy's) one actually has to shout to be heard! <BR> However, it is lovely to eat in a Calif. restaurant where there is NO SMOKING! In France, the heavy smoking in eateries was at times unbearable (if there is a no smoking section, no one observes it).

Lorelei Jul 24th, 1999 10:38 AM

Sheila, do you have an author, date, publisher or any other info re:Brit-think/Ameri-think book? <BR> <BR>Random observation: Students of any nationality can be loud and obnoxious if found in groups larger than 2 or 3 and full of beer or wine. Worst encounter on a recent month-long trip in Europe was with a half-dozen rowdily drunken German youths, slamming and banging on doors, hooting across a hotel courtyard, and tossing beer cans everywhere. The beer was Budweiser, and I'm afraid many who didn't see this group will probably think they were American. <BR> <BR>At the other end of the age scale, there are a number of us traveling retired Americans whose hearing has deteriorated with the years and for whom conversation in a crowded room can be difficult, particularly in a second or third language. Of course it isn't MY hearing that's going, it's HIS, so I have to speak up a bit...........

Kittie Jul 24th, 1999 11:26 AM

Hey y'all, <BR>Thanks for all the enlightening postings. I have learned alot form all the people on Fodors. <BR>I do have a couple of responces/questions: <BR> <BR>Wendy...I guess these people don't know that just talking about carrying a weapon into the White House is a federal offense. What are they thinking? What would they think if someone talked about carrying a weapon into the Australian equivalent? <BR> <BR>Sheila...your comment #3 is quite disturbing to me. I am 35yo. I have never, to my recollection, been told that the USA is #1 or better than anybody else. In fact, we tend to criticise our country "to the max". For example: "why can't our healthcare system be as good as the one's in Europe and Canada"?, "why can't we outlaw guns the way most of the world has done", "why are our kids killing each other with guns"?, "why are drugs and drug-dealing such a problem here"?. These are things that are regularly in the papers. I think that governments of every country have their benefits and their faults. The fact that most Americans came here due to "prosecution" (according to the figures) in their native countries makes this a country of diverse personallities and mores (now that's a word from college sociology class). So many Americans relate to their home/national countries, that sometimes there are protests against the American government for actions taken against a certain countries government. Since so many people refer to themselves as "(nationality-here)- American" I have a hard time believing that we think of ourselves as #1. <BR>Maybe the rest of the world thinks that we feel that way? <BR>Susan... I have been in many American restaurants where it was quiet...even on "boistrous" Clearwater Beach, FL. <BR>When I am on vacation, I adjust my behavior to my surroundings. If I am in a boistrous beach or college town, I am more out-going. When I am in a more conservative area, I tone it down. <BR>I guess that I still don't get it... Why are American tourist more times than not put down? Is it that "one apple spoils the bunch"? <BR>Kittie <BR>

Sheila Jul 24th, 1999 11:27 AM

The Book is called Brit-Think/ Ameri-Think, A Transatlantic survival guide,by Jane Walmsley and it was published by Harrap in 1986

Kittie Jul 24th, 1999 11:28 AM

Sheila, <BR>I hope that you do not find that I am yelling at you. I am just concerned about how we American's are seen overseas. <BR>Kittie

Bonnie Jul 24th, 1999 01:44 PM

Kittie, To comment on something you said above, the only thing "better" about any European healthcare is that it's free - the US has the best healthcare in the world! <BR> <BR>I have always been taught that the USA is the best country in the world to live - else why is everyone else trying to get here? Jealousy is usually behind any deprecating remarks toward Americans or this country. Of course, we have our faults, and we're a huge place with many different people and points of view, compared to small countries like France, i.e., who love to criticize us. <BR> <BR>I'll take the USA anytime, warts and all!

Q. P. Jul 24th, 1999 02:14 PM

Thanks so much for that interesting--and understanding--post, Sheila. The "Brit-think, Ameri-think" book sounds lovely. I've also enjoyed a similar one called "Coping with England," written by an American expatriate, that's a little dated now but good on the cultural differences: the whole "please" business, the American eagerness (and British reluctance) to address newly met strangers by their first names, the British horror of risking embarrassment by asking personal questions, and so on. There's no right or wrong in these sorts of things, just differences worth knowing and making allowance for. And it goes without saying that individuals differ widely within these cultural norms. <BR> <BR> I do think that you're right about a certain almost unconscious American assumption of, if not superiority, then specialness. It's not that we boast or brag about our country so much as that, in a world in which the U.S. is the most powerful, wealthy, and influential nation, we carry with us a kind of confidence that may sometimes look like arrogance to others. (Not unlike the "arrogance" that was so much a part of the stereotype of the travelling Englishman in the 19th century, when the Empire was at its height.) I think that this is similar to the easygoing, unconsciously superior attitude of people of whatever nationality who are born to wealth. It's not that they brag about their money, but that they simply radiate the assumption that all things are possible for them. <BR> <BR> Anyway, I love travelling in Britain and find British "differences" (and regional differences within differences) by far the most fascinating and enjoyable part of those travels. Incidentally, the funniest chronicler of the America-Britain divide must certainly be Bill Bryson, who's actually better known in the UK than here. His stuff is just wonderful. I intend to take "Notes from a Small Island" along on my next trip to reread on the train! <BR> <BR>Q. P.

Sheila Jul 24th, 1999 02:29 PM

I've been thinking about this all day, and even before Kittie's brief posting above I was going to add something about how, in the same way only a few Americans bring disapprobation on their nation, only a few Brits react in the way suggested. <BR> <BR>And then I saw Bonnie's post... <BR> <BR>"I have always been taught that the USA is the best country in the world to live - else why is everyone else trying to get here?" <BR> <BR>I rest my case

Bonnie Jul 24th, 1999 05:22 PM

Sheila, No one on earth has anything on the Brits in terms of arrogance for no good reason! And I certainly hope that you were taught that YOU lived in the best country in the world - a child should be proud of where and how they live, and everyone should strive to be the best they can be, both individuals and countries. <BR> <BR>As far as any human beings feeling superior to others, let us not forget your own royal family who must not be touched because they are so superior to the rest of the world! We Americans may be proud and at times, a little loud, but snobs we are not! <BR> <BR>

catherine Jul 24th, 1999 06:09 PM

The best and most beautiful country in the world is France.The second best is Great Britian.The third is Italy. <BR> <BR>Bonnie our dear queen would be very upset, if she read what you had written.

Valerie Jul 25th, 1999 03:59 AM

"So sorry" but I must agree with Bonnie. As much as I absolutely love England and the British people, I think one should be proud of where they come from. Also, I honestly do not understand the monarchy thing(and I loved Princess Di). Why in the world would an ordinary working class english person pay so much in taxes to further the wealth of Royalty that doesn't make political decisions? I still think people would come out to view Buckingham Palace and the Tower of London even if the monarchy was disolved.

Julia Jul 25th, 1999 04:49 AM

The posts to this forum should be ample proof of the diversity in Americans' attitude about their country, from mindless nationalism to genuine pride to personalized vanity to realistic enjoyment. <BR> <BR>What I prize most about the US, for the purposes of this forum particularly, is its astonishing array of natural beauty in all 50 states. <BR> <BR>I also take pride in the vigor of our creativity. But medicine and education, admittedly overburdened, are hardly the best in the world anymore, except possibly for the very rich, and even then, the standards have dropped. (We've all but stopped funding medical research except for commercial drugs, and even then, FDA approval procedures are antiquated to the point of malpractice. But that's really for another forum.) <BR> <BR>As for our economic and taxation system, it furthers the wealth of the very wealthy to a much greater extent than the British system, and only about 500 of them are elected. And anyway I'm not so sure I want to further the wealth of elected officials any more than the unelected. As for royalty, the response to the death of JFK, Jr. speaks for itself. <BR> <BR>But the America-bashing that goes on internationally doesn't have anything to do with any of that, nor do I think it's jealousy (why do the arrogant always think a negative reaction to their arrogance is jealousy?). <BR> <BR>Often, our inclination to be volubly self-critical just begs for others to agree with us. And then we're surprised that, rather than admiring our humility and self-awareness, outsiders join in with the criticism. You notice that no one worries about whether Americans get annoyed by some trait of their own country's tourists. <BR> <BR>I bristle when I am aware that someone has an antagonistic attitude toward me before getting to know me, just because I'm an American. But that's a typically American attitude -- that one is supposed to get to know an individual and then like her or him. I'll probably never get over it, and I will always try to be polite in the terms of whatever host country I'm in. But there's a point where neither groveling apologetically nor being arrogantly defiant is useful.

Sheila Jul 25th, 1999 04:59 AM

Bonnie <BR> <BR>I hope from my postings about Scotland (and please understand that I am a Scot first, a European second and only by default, a Briton; I simply use the phrase for ease of reference) that I am inordinately proud of my country. <BR> <BR>I also strive to be the best that I can be. <BR> <BR>It does not, however, follow that I believe Scotland to be best (it might be, but I don't have the arrogance to assert it) nor do I believe I am anything. <BR> <BR>And as far as the Windsors go, they may form the monarchy, but they are nothing to do with me. My beliefs are republican, and I'm unlikely to meet them, so whether or not I'm allowed to meet them is a matter of supreme indifference to me. <BR> <BR>Of good working class stock, whatever else I am, I'm not a snob. And I'm sure most Americans aren't either. Now can you tell me about Back Bay in Boston, Georgetownn in Washington, Nob Hill in San Francisco, "rednecks", in the deep south, "the wrong side of the tracks", the average American citizen's attitude to native Americans... and I could go on. <BR> <BR>But, since I'm struggling to keep my hackles from rising at the tone of your posting, I hope you can see from this the danger of generalisation. <BR> <BR>And as a matter or information we don't pay taxes to support the monarchy. We used to not get taxes from them... and they are one of the wealthiest families in the world, but that has been changed. Their income is now paid into the national coffers and disbursed to them through the Civil List. Any other private income is taxed, like the rest of us.

Bonnie Jul 25th, 1999 05:26 AM

Julia, PLEASE get real! Even people who absolutely love their England leave there to work elsewhere because of the heavy taxation!!! And be one of the "little people" there who cannot get a relatively simple medical procedure done under their socialized medicine, something we Americans take for granted, (if an American doesn't have insurance, the hospital, actually other paying patients, absorbs their costs), and see how happy you'd be with the British medical system. <BR> <BR>As for American education, the excellent education is there for anyone who wants it! I'm not saying most Americans take advantage of it, but it is there, and once again, everybody wants to come here for their degrees! <BR> <BR>Let me tell you who is TRULY arrogant! I live in an area where you frequently see French families who are living here for a few years on an overseas assignment. They refuse to speak English unless they absolutely have to, and their noses are so high, they'd drown if they stood out in a rainstorm. Now that's arrogance!!!' <BR> <BR>People are people, and nice people are nice people, whatever their nationality. I think Americans have a natural exuberance, which may get a bit loud occasionally, but that certainly beats arrogance and stuffiness! <BR> <BR>And Julia, if you ever had to have intricate brain surgery, really, where would you want to have it?

sue Jul 25th, 1999 06:28 AM

To QP, Last week when I mentioned about the 'pleases' and 'thank yous' I got a load of abuse from Americans, so Im glad someone else feels the same way as I do. It actually costs you NOTHING to be polite, and yes - its amazing what a difference courtesy can make. <BR>

Hattie Jul 25th, 1999 06:54 AM

To say one should always be proud of their country is someone who has never suffered persecution! <BR>I have come to live in England because I am no longer proud to be a born Zimbabwean! Our leader has spent 20 years promising us everything we didn't have in the years of colonial rule. He has killed, persecuted, starved and threantened everyone who does not obay his command. You people in your ivory towers know nothing. To worry about something as triavial as snobbishness and who has what - go and get humbled in the third world then you might know what real life is all about. I loved my country, now I am ashamed to even know it exists with a tyrant like Mugabe ruling it. <BR>

Bonnie Jul 25th, 1999 07:08 AM

Hattie, It should go without saying that we're not saying a person should be blindly proud of their country, no matter what their leaders do! I'm sure that you've been through a horrible experience, and my heart goes out to you. I have friends who went through the Cultural Revolution in China - another horrible scenario. <BR> <BR>I'm talking to other Americans who put the USA down because it's the cool thing to do without giving a real thought to what it would be like to really live elsewhere. And I'm talking to the Europeans and Asians who come to visit time after time, or to live here, complaining about the US half the time! I'm certainly not talking about people like you who have no real choices. I wish you the best in your new life in England!

Sheila Jul 25th, 1999 08:27 AM

Sarah <BR> <BR>If you want to see what some of us have against some Americans, read Bonnie's later postings. <BR> <BR>And Bonnie, what a joy it is to deal with someone who is not afraid to be a stereotype!

Number Two Jul 25th, 1999 10:57 AM

There is a lot of "#2" being strewn in this thread, and I find it very entertaining! Lots of differences of opinion, lots of interesting perspectives; lots of responses to each other's points, but one point was made earlier that I haven't seen a response to: <BR> <BR>If America is so bad, why does everybody want to come here? Hmmmm?? Rich celebrities from Europe move to the US as soon as they can, immigrants from all corners of the world flock here in search of jobs, freedom, and prosperity. <BR> <BR>And another thing.... I haven't heard one mention on this thread of HOW FAT WE ARE! That's right, let's hear it again! We're obnoxious, we're arrogant, WE'RE FAT! What's an American-bashing thread on Fodor's without the fat comments? <BR> <BR>As a matter of fact, perhaps the Fodor's editors should create a separate forum just for anti-USA posts! God knows there's plenty of them! This way, when you guys (me too, don't forget that I enjoy reading this also!) reach the Forums menu we can select "Asia" "Europe" "Caribbean Islands" "USA-BASHING". It would be much easier to navigate this site, and most of the nastiness could be channeled in one direction. <BR> <BR>Y'all come back now, ya hear?

Luke Jul 25th, 1999 10:57 AM

I trust other posters have read enough of Bonnie's posts over time to know her opinions are not always overburdened with good information, but at least she loves her country. Fortunately for her, she's clearly not among the nearly 15 million Americans without access to health care (and no, hospitals do NOT absorb costs nowadays). If you, or she, ever needs intricate brain surgery, she'd better hope the HMO bureaucrat doesn't decide aspirin would work better.

Dave Jul 25th, 1999 11:18 AM

As an American, am I supposed to have learned something from all this?

Bonnie Jul 25th, 1999 02:11 PM

Luke, Some of the HMOs should not be allowed to do business, I agree - they make some bad decisions, but I still say, in general, the healthcare here is the best in the world. And many, many hospitals, along with our government (us), indeed, do absorb the costs of poor patients. Maybe the hospital isn't officially footing part of the bill, but you can be sure they have to. Who do you think is footing the bills for all the Medicaid patients in this country? Of course, our systems are not perfect - nothing is. But frequently, the situations we find ourselves in are of our own making. If two guys both dislike their jobs, but one sticks with it for the benefits (good insurance), and the other doesn't, who's fault is it that he doesn't have health coverage? Now all cases are not that simple, granted. Some people do everything in their power to have a good health plan, and still have a bad experience. But that's not the majority! <BR> <BR>And you may not like my information, but that doesn't make it bad information - it's just a point of view you don't agree with! Or a fact that you can't accept. What would this forum be if we all agreed on everything? <BR> <BR>I find it amazing and amusing that anyone would take offense at someone feeling and saying that their country is the best. I expect my European friends to feel the same way - and I don't stand in the middle of Piccadilly Circus, beating a drum, saying "Americans are the best." If you met me tomorrow, you would find me kind, considerate and respectful of you - until you started America-bashing! Then I will also say what I think - you know, good old self-expression! <BR> <BR>The "stereotype" wishes you all a good evening! <BR> <BR>

Joanna Jul 25th, 1999 08:05 PM

I think I've said this before on this forum, but will say it again ... generalisations are ridiculous; to say that "the British are...", "the Americans are..." etc. etc. Within each country there is such diversity of character and opinion that no two people are exactly alike. In my travels and at home I have met many people from all over and I don't judge each one on my experience of their countrymen/women but on how they are as individuals.

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