Amazing Race 7

Old May 13th, 2005, 02:52 PM
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BarbMike - Thank you for clearing it up. I work in the entertainment business and have heard many rumors saying what you just said.

It is so wrong that it cleared the way for Uccenda and Joyce to win. The million dollars was dumped in their laps. Rob and Amber got on the earlier flight because of their skills. Had they been the only one on that flight, as it was suppose to be they would have won the race fair and square. Uccenda and Joyce did not win fair and square.
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Old May 13th, 2005, 03:06 PM
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I don't see how you can say it cleared the way for U & J to win. It simply evened the playing field once they landed in Miami. They still had to compete with Rob and Amber in that last part of the race.
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Old May 13th, 2005, 03:36 PM
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But "evening the playing field" is unfair to the team who was saavy enough to get on an earlier flight. You don't see them evening the playing field in the Kentucky Derby do you?

I think Rob and Amber were robbed. I like J & U, but think they got an unfair edge at the end.
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Old May 13th, 2005, 03:41 PM
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"Several people have said the producers intervened to have the plane brought back. I know each team travels with a camera and sound person, but is there also a producer present?"

there was an "insider" article in the tv guide shortly after this season started. at any one time, there are a lot of production people around. hundreds of people work on this show. they cited the example of the detour when the teams had to choose guiding the llamas or carrying the baskets. they said there were 16 people hiding behind trees when the teams were making their decision. so don't think that the only people at the airport were the teams with their camera and sound person.

thanks for the insider info, barbmike!
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Old May 13th, 2005, 03:48 PM
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KayBe - Very well put. Rob and amber should have been rewarded for finding an earlier flight. I too like Joyce and Ucchenda but they didn't deserve the prize money.
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Old May 13th, 2005, 05:53 PM
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Spilled milk. It's cosmic karma, and it favored Uchenna and Joyce.... When does AR8 start?
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Old May 13th, 2005, 06:29 PM
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The number of times other people got "robbed" because of Romber's antics, and you whine about the plane coming back? This race took, what was it, 11 or 12 episodes, and Romber had some close calls before, as did some others. That's like my little brother whining that I took "all" the cookies because I took the last one... even if he'd eaten all the others before that. If Romber hadn't been so ruddy ignorant, esp. about language, they might have beaten Joyce and Uchenna -- nobody GAVE it to them.

However, I also strongly believe that there were some quick phone calls around the airport, since the airlines -- NOTABLY AA -- had to have been aware that they were dealing with AR teams all along (special credit card, etc.), so no reason why a sharp on-site producer couldn't have called HQ and/or AA crisis line. Otherwise, why would the gate agent have even suggested that she could "talk to the pilot"?

Again, don't think Romber were robbed, and/but you have to admit the look on Rob's face when the jetway came back was worth the ads for AA! Gee, somebody actually managed to "con" officials to regain an advantage in the race -- beaten at his own game, and by a much nicer couple! Hah!
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Old May 13th, 2005, 06:30 PM
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It wasn't cosmic Karma, it was manipulation and had it been done to benefit Rob and Amber there would probably have been an FBI investigation. This should absolutely put all those R&A conspiracy rumors to rest.

How would it be if Ken Jennings on Jeopardy had his signalling device paused to let the others catch up? How many times do slow people get to catch up, and why on earth do you think that makes a level playing field? That is an acknowledgement of R&A's superior racing skills, if everyone else had to have multiple chances to catch up-in one leg.
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Old May 13th, 2005, 08:32 PM
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People, get a grip...it's a TV show!!! Whether one couple or the other won it, whether the producers interfered to get the plane back....will not cause world hunger or solve world hunger...it won't cure cancer or give it. It's Entertainment!! Enjoy it for the moment and move on...don't let yourself get all riled up!
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Old May 14th, 2005, 04:00 AM
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lyb-- AMEN!! Some posters to this thread, specially Barbara, have been taking this whole "reality" show waaaaay too seriously. On previous posts I refered to Internet Chat rooms that discussed the heavy negotiations with CBS that R&A underwent to have their wedding televised, including the "The Amazing Race" segway (no guarantees of the million, prizes for first place, local production crew support ("locals hosts&quot. Barbara posted horrified of these "allegations". Please, get a life. Let me just say that I have the chance to meet "Survivor" and "the Amazing Race" contestants; SURPRISE....IT IS EDITED, IT IS MANIPULATED!!!

The plane in Africa was delayed for R&A by local production crews and the plane in Miami was brought back for U&J at the request of local production crews. Rob and Amber were good players, but you'll need to be really naive to think that particular participations and performances do not have the producers hands behind them?

Do you know that sometimes it takes three days to get from one destination to another because VERY frequently the tasks are not ready? or there are weather delays? work permits documentation delays? Ever seen that on the show? Well, it has happened in every single show, not that you NEED TO KNOW, right?
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Old May 14th, 2005, 04:34 AM
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Rob & Amber should never have been in this Amazing Race. Either, the producers (they were suckered into this fiasco) do an AR with previous reality show winners/participants or leave it as it was with all newcomers to this venue.

It's a show about travel and the challenges facing the participants. For each new series we should root for, or not, a pair of participants on what their capablities are from the start... not have to deal with "personalities."

Too much emphasis was put on Romber - disappointing!
 
Old May 14th, 2005, 06:13 AM
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<i>&quot;For each new series we should root for, or not, a pair of participants on what their capablities are from the start... not have to deal with &quot;personalities.&quot;</i>

I have to disagree. Reality shows are <b>all</b> about personalities. The tasks and hardships are all secondary to the human interactions. It's all about how the participants deal with the the situations and with the other players. If AR was based solely on capabilities, who would have been rooting for Gretchen and Meredith to hang on as long as they did? And if it were based solely on capabilities, there would be no &quot;equalizers&quot; along the way - it would be a true race from start to finish.

A lot of people look down their noses at reality shows, but they give very good insight into human behavior - the good, the bad and the ugly!
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Old May 14th, 2005, 06:20 AM
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I've been a big fan of TAR since the very first one. I decided right then and there that I wanted to do it. What an adventure! All the great things they get to do!

However, now that I see how the race is manipulated by producers, I will no longer watch.

I've was rooting for Rob and Amber from the beginning, not because I watched them on Survivor (can't stand it),but because they were the most competitive, savy players in the race and I also thought their relationship was realy good. They worked together and treated each other well. They played within the rules although they did a couple of things I would never have done.

Far from what can be said for the horrible beauty queen/POW couple.

Joyce and Uchena were also very competitive and deserved to win as much as Rob and Amber. But it was BLATANTLY obvious that phone calls were made to get Joyce and U on that plane. If they had not made it -- no race in the last episode. Rob and Amber were robbed at the finish line.

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Old May 14th, 2005, 07:22 AM
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Wow, viajero, take a chill pill. ...and read more carefully. You say I'm taking this too seriously?
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Old May 14th, 2005, 07:46 AM
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I can't really see where Rob and Amber were really in such a solid position during the final episode because of &quot;savvy&quot;. I mean, how savvy do you need to be to stand at a ticket counter and beg please, please, please until they send you to the gate?

While I do believe that these games are very .. ummm... heavily manipulated, if not scripted, I don't think Uchenna and Joyce were assisted more over the course of the show, by the show, than Rob and Amber were.

In fact, I personally thought R&amp;A were getting suspiciously quickly from begging, to standby, to the gate. I was just saying - jeez, that never, ever happens to me, must be nice to have customer service people trapped under the bright lights of a TV camera.

So when the U&amp;J thing hit, I figured ok... we defintely see the Wizard behind the curtain now.

By the way that some of those &quot;guides&quot; of R&amp;As seemed oddly coincidental, I have a feeling it worked out, big picture. I'd also guess that R&amp;A got their million anyway.
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Old May 14th, 2005, 08:40 AM
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I think the plane incident is a perfect example of how savvy Rob and Amber really are. From what has been said earlier, it's clear that the producers wanted everyone on the following flight, so Rob and Amber clearly got on because of their persistence. One person said no, and they immediately went to a different counter and asked again. That's smart playing. Uchenna and Joyce only tried to get on the flight once they realized that Rob and Amber might have made it on.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Uchenna and Joyce won, cuz they deserved the money more than anyone else. But anyone who says that Rob and Amber weren't better players wasn't watching the same show I was.
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Old May 14th, 2005, 08:51 AM
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Regarding the plane manipulation, to me it is no different than the &quot;coaching&quot; that occurred on the $64,000 Question in the 50's that bought the whole game show industry to a halt.

Regarding the beauty queen, am I missing something? She didn't look like any kind of beauty to me!
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Old May 14th, 2005, 09:43 AM
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Romber may, indeed, have gotten their million or some compensation anyway -- and let us not forget who got the biggest prizes when they won a leg vs. who got nothing when they won a leg.

And anyway, a million just ain't that much money anymore, anyway!! ;-)

(not that I'd turn it down, mind you...)
 
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While a part of me would like to believe it's all just as I see it on the edited hour-long episodes, I'm afraid I know better. So I do love hearing the inside poop on tasks not being ready, weather delays, etc. Tell me more, barbmike and viajero!

I've got a couple of friends who have worked as location producers, one for a Japanese show called Ultraquiz that has some similarities to TAR, and I've heard plenty of stories. I bet TAR is an absolute nightmare from that perspective. So many things that can go wrong, so many countries with minimal infrastructure.

Anybody know where I can read more about this aspect of TAR?
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Old May 14th, 2005, 10:04 AM
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What is all this talk the team &quot;deserving&quot; the money? The show is about who are the best racers not the &quot;most deserving&quot;. U worked as energy trader at Enron and she worked at Worldcom, so things can be that bad for them financially.

I enjoyed this season very much, and Rob and Amber were a big part of it. He treats her very well and they complement each other.

I agree that final leg should be longer and not based on who gets the best cab driver, there should be more tasks with more opportunities to screw up or excel.
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