Am I crazy to do Rome, Florence, South of France, and Barcelona in 10 days?
 

Me and my husband need some advice with our itinerary... We are planning on going to Italy on the last week of October to the first week of November. This will be our first trip to Europe and we want to see and explore a lot, however we are afraid to cover too much in only 10 days!
This is our itinerary so far: fly to Rome and stay for 3 nights, take a train to Florence and stay for 1 night, then take a train to Genoa and stay for another night. Next day take a train to Provence or Marselleis and stay for a night, then take a train again to Barcelona and stay for 3 nights. I know it sounds like a lot of time spent on trains but we are a young couple with a fast pace, but we don't know if we will be able to enjoy enough each city.
We looked up on renting a car and it seem quite expensive...We are flexible wiht the plans and wouldn't mind swaping or skipping citys if is worth it. Are we too crazy to have this itinerary? has anyone done it before? suggestions?

Yes, this borders on insanity.

Totally bonkers !
Stay in Italy.

Yes!

I wouldn't do it, but my wife and I have a different vacationing mode: In April, we spent 6 days in Florence and 4 in Venice before moving on to 4 weeks in Paris, after brief stopovers in Milan and Strasbourg. We prefer cities to trains.

train travel involves not just travel time but getting to and from train stations, also there is checking in and out of hotels, packing and unpacking etc.
You do what you wish, but I would stick with Rome and Barcelona . Maybe a day trip from each city.

You're crazy.
Stay in Italy
or
I'd pick two of the destinations for 5 days each and fly between them (Rome/ Barcelona)

Basically if you do travel to each of the cities mentioned and stay for 1 night you would not 'see' that place as most of the time you would be travelling from one place or to the next place.

Three days in a place is a good rule of thumb. You'll see much of train stations and the inside of a train.
Do you have the flights booked? In that case I would look into flying to Barcelona and skipping France.
There are about a zillion places to see in Italy alone.

I cannot see you enjoying anything in Florence which should be a three day city in one night. Genoa offers very little in comparison to the other Italian cities.

If the train schedules fit, i will recommend one night somewhere like Portofino and a second night somewhere in languedoc in France. (check some chateaus, they are more reasonably priced than you would expect.)

You can do a lot in three full days each at Rome and Barcelona. (Rome actually would beg for another day and Barcelona could act indifferent to your third)

Since you have not been to europe before, marseilles as your first larger French city is an interesting choice, so keep it.

you can do Pizza instead of Florence. It is small and you will be happy with the tower and the cathedral.

trains are fine except that they take too much time without offering the flexibility of a rental car (which will be out of the question for you).

So, just some ideas.

Hope you enjoy your trip.

Personally, the first time I was in Europe I was in Rome for seven days and the one day we went to Florence I would have wished it was spent in Rome, haha. But I did enjoy going by train to Tivoli, which had gorgeous gardens. I would probably pick two cities, maybe a day in between.

Then again, there were some things like walking along the Appian Way which took about half a day that I enjoyed but you wouldn't necessarily have to do. If you just wanted to see highlights and nothing in depth, this might work. But even then, all the train swapping sounds intense.

take a deep breath, have a glass of wine, sit back -- and toss this plan in the round file and start over.

Insane - not entirely. Crazy - more than a little.

And when you start re-planning, factor in that one night somewhere does not equal one day there.

Every time you move from one city to another (even relatively close cities like Rome and Florence) it eats up 1/2 to one full day. Packing/unpacking, checking in/out, traveling to/from the train stations or airports -- this all takes a lot of time and bother.

Each time you check-out, travel to airport/train station, wait on said travel, travel to next hotel, check-in you have cost yourself a minimum of 1/2 day. The only way around this is to do overnight trains, but then the problem is that you usually have to check-out far in advance of the train departure time and arrive far in advance of the allowed check-in time. You may or may not be able to store your luggage.

So, you must therefore calculate the time lost in your sight-seeing time. Unless train stations and airports are big on your list (which is the case with some folks).

dave

i may be old but am not a doddering fool.

when you are young, discovery and adventure for use in later years are as important as spending hours gazing at every picture in a museum or a cathedral.

I hope you will get back to europe soon again, better prepared and with some interesting ideas on how you want to spend your time, based on this experience.

Just make sure that you do not regret anyting, or blame each other or anyone else. (well, you can blame me. Everyone does.)

i did interrail in the sixties over a third of europe and hitchhiked in southern france, hardly visiting a touristic building, and loved the feel, the smell and the taste of different vibrant ways of life, culture and the geography.

Yes, you need to change your plans! If I had 10 days I would do this: fly into Rome and stay 4 nights; take the train to Florence and stay 4 nights; You could then take the train to Venice or Bologna if you want somewhere else. We spent 5 nights in Rome and that was not enough time. In Florence you could also take the bus to Sienna and spend the day. I like to travel and see all of one area, personally. Hope this helps!

Why don't you determine how much time you'll have in each place and then decide if this is the itinerary you want to use.

Rome to Florence:
Train time - 1.5 hours
Time to and from train stations: 1 hour
Time Packing and unpacking: 1 hour
Time to figure out a new city: 2 to 3 hours (it usually takes me a couple of days but you don't have that much time)

You'll have 1/2 day to see Florence.

Florence to Genoa:
Train time - 4 hours
Plus the packing, etc.

You'll have 1 evening in Genoa

Genoa to Marseilles:
Train time - 7 or 8 hours
Plus the packing, etc.

I guess you'll have time for dinner in Marseilles.

Marseilles to Barcelona:
Train time - 10 hours

You'll have 2 days in Barcelona

Bring a lot of books to amuse yourselves during all those lazy train rides. You'll only have 5 days out of the total 10 vacation days to see or explore anything.

10 days is plenty to get a good overview of classic Italy (at least from Rome north), but I wouldn't try to do any more than that. And you will HATE planning to move every day - you might as well be on a tour bus. And all of those train trips will each eat up the better part of a day. Don't do it.

Decide on a couple of places you really want to see and really explore those. You can even fit in three cities if you really want to (I'm thinking the classic Rome-Venice-Florence loop), but don't move any more than that.

Thank you all for the advice! I haven't book the ticket yet so nothing is written in stone yet. You are right, it seems like a lot of train time. Now with all these information we will definetely stay in Italy for the entire trip. I'm thinking Rome, Florence, and some other town in between. Thanks!

First time we went to Rome then plan was to go onto Florence, Tuscany and Venice. We ended up spending the entire 3 weeks in Rome and had to save the other places for another trip.

Agree with the "Yes's"

The answer is in the question.

The people here are nice and smart but they go to bed at 8pm. I like your first idea.

I absolutely take exception to the comment about going to bed at 8pm. In fact, I am seldom back to my apartment before midnight and am up by 7am. Oh, and I'm 57 and am lugging around about 50 lbs of video/camera gear with me in a backpack, as well has having to keep tabs on up to 5 crew members or family. So my dear Colduphere, try to keep up with me.

I smoke like a steel mill, have liver cancer and severe arthritis. I think nothing of walking from one side of Rome to the other during shoots.

dave

Bgreen, sounds like you're doing some sensible rethinking. When I'm planning a trip, especially one with a lot of moving around, I take a sheet of paper and section it off with four sections for each day: Monday am, Monday pm, Monday evening, Monday sleep, Tuesday am, etc. Once I put down where I'm thinking of sleeping on Monday, that then dictates how much of the daytime blocks on Monday have to be devoted to getting there.

I agree with others here who say that getting from one city to another can take up a shocking amount of time, which is why I use this planning style. I hit on it after a three-week driving trip, when I discovered that arriving on Monday afternoon in city X and planning to arrive on Tuesday afternoon in city Y meant getting to spend only a few hours seeing what's interesting in X.

Sorry Dave - I meant to say "Except for Dave, these people go to bed at 8pm." I was sleepy when I posted that. It was late.

Any time a question begins with "Am I crazy...," the answer is always yes.

I always spend 15 to 20 days in just one country, and many of the countries are places I've visited before.

Assume you will be returning. As to spending time in Rome and Florence, you might ask posters their opinions of Florence. Personally, I've never been enchanted with it, but maybe that's just me. Rome is fabulous, Venice equally fabulous, and Siena and Assisi also lovely.

My advice is always to get a guide book and check out what there is to see and ask posters which places they liked.

Colduphere, it's again just you and i. :)

please e-mail me at my special address (the one for my book) if i can be of any assistance during your trip here. Would also like to give you my wife's phone number for any emergencies (not because she is an md or a nurse, but because i cannot stand even the thought of blood or injurt or sickness)

[email protected] means "dreams and perception"

Otherchelebi - we leave tomorrow for Greece. It is stressful here - people are yelling at one another. Someone is going to get hurt before we leave. Does your wife make housecalls in Canada?

Your email is now in my IPhone thank you.

This is normal. It is the season of the witch.

Once the trips starts the stress finds different avenues, routes and lodging.

If you can get away and board the plane without any serious injuries, you should be safe.

just murmur some lines from the song mentioned above at take off, and the whole trip will be fine. :)

have a wonderful trip.

Yes, your plan is nuts. It's barely do-able and that would be "Amazing Race" style. Have you checked the actual time you'll be spending on trains? It's more than "a lot".

Even planning a "fast paced" trip I say you need to drop either south of France or Barcelona. Keep either one with Florence and Rome and you'll still be moving good distances and at a good clip.

BGreen - I think your plan to revise and stay just in Italy is brilliant. Get an Italy guidebook and start mapping it out. I think you really can't go wrong staying in Italy.

My favorite places are Rome, Assisi - and Umbria in general - Ravenna and Bologna. Those places and many others are all easy to get to on the train from Rome. Once you plan it out further, you might consider flying into one city and out of another to avoid spending time backtracking.

oops I'm sorry. I thought I had read every post. I missed the new plan to stay just in Italy. Smart move. Sorry about my post.

I prefer Spain to Italy.