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Aug 21st, 2007, 06:54 PM
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okay, okay you don't have to keep checking. I'll take your word for it.
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And on Fox there's talk about some "Mysterious death" in a bathtub...
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Oh, the old stealing kidneys game, no doubt.

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Yeah, but now those liberals are "protecting criminal aliens", and the federal government doesn't act. But he says you have a constitutional right to be protected from them... You actually have a constitutional right to be protected from aliens? Interesting.
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robjame- I believe WOT refers to "War on Terror"
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Welcome aboard newbie....a word of advice if you're going to be in this forum....get a thick skin...It isn't anywhere near as hostile as lonelyplanet.com, but folks still go off and when they do just ignore it. As far as what the world thinks of us...well...I've been out and about hearing all of the bashing since I was 17 even when we were liked. I'm in my early 50s now and have been traveling/living summers in Europe and other parts of the world for a long time and on my own.
When I, for example, sit down at a table with a group of people to hopefully have a peaceful dinner and all of the bashing starts up, I then usually nip it in the bud right away by bringing a lot of their country's ugly skeletons out of the closet and believe me every country has skeletons in its closets.Then I happen to throw in the fact that with the large numbers of people who are illegally crossing borders and trying to get into this country by other means that it must not be that bad here. So, like I said, get a thick skin, and let it go in one ear and out the other. And remember that a lot of times bashing comes out of envy. Happy travels!
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newbie, I haven't read the precursor to this thread, but I still enjoyed your initial post and thought it was open and honest without being defensive.
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gruezi, having lived abroad for several years in the early 1980's, I can sympathize.

We lived in Beaconsfield, England, outside London for a year. My neighbors were all very proper English ladies who treated me nicely but with that typical English reserve.

We also lived in Vienna, Austria, for 2 years. The Austrians are very honest people but were also somewhat reserved. However, we had a young University student to tutor us in German and we are still friends to this day. She is a lovely person who has helped me to understand a little more about the Austrians and their social customs.

We lived in Vienna during the Reagan presidency and I still remember how disliked he and Margaret Thatcher were. There were several demonstrations while we were there, but I never felt any dislike being directed towards me.

It's difficult when the rest of the world sees you as a sterotype. Having lived in Texas, I know many in the US still think we all own oil wells and ride horses!

That's why I think travel is important. It broadens our views of the world and maybe helps others understand us a little better too. We've never been treated badly in any of our travels, except maybe in Paris once or twice...

I also agree that living outside of the US makes you appreciate our country even more. We definitely have our problems but there is something unique about Americans. We are giving and caring and we can laugh at ourselves, which I think is a great quality.
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Yes, the US of A are so great, caring, giving and unique. Simply beautiful. Makes me want to sing a few patriotic songs. ;-)
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First of all, scrub any desire to use the sickening "DH, DS" etc. Wherever is this revolting concept originated, it is past time it died. It is the social equivalent of Jello pudding.

Now, you must not assume that people hate you because of our government's brutal and ineffective policies. They hate you because you support the idiotic and brutal policies. This is proper and just.

You must get over this feeling that you are an ambassador. Ambassadors are charged with promoting official policies. You are not. Understand that the official policies of the United States may not necessarily reflect a concern for the common good and you will be way ahead of the game. At the very least, please don't put "D" in front of everything (gag).

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Logos999, that's so sweet!
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You're welcome. I start with "God with you land of Bavarians, german soil, fatherland" and you follow . You know the text?
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Some people just can't be nice.
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I'll try. The bavarian national anthem follows. ;-) "God be with you, land of the Bavarians, German soil, fatherland! Over your wide area, rest His merciful hand! He shall protect your meadows, shield the buildings of your towns and preserve for you the colours of His sky, white and blue! God be with you, the people of Bavaria, that we're worthy of our fathers, in constant harmony and peace build our own fortunes! That with bonds of German brotherhood everyone sees we're united. And the old splendour stands the test, our Banner white and blue!"
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I have a dear friend (from the U.S.) who moved to Switzerland over 20 years ago. It was very tough for her at the start. Her first primary focus was to get her French up to fluent, so she could talk with her neighbors and people in her town. Rather than stereotyping all kinds of things as you did in your post, my best and kindest advise would be to try to get on the positive side of the town you are living in. Skip the national politics, learn your local farmers market, shop keepers, community groups, etc. Try to fit in where you are. Make the leap and commit to making a go or it in your new life, without losing sleep over the kind of things you seem to be stewing over.
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St Cirq! She never said that!

I'm a Brit and I like Americans.
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Protocol. Few if any Europeans dislike Americans. They simply don't have time to waste on a useless activity. If you expect natives to drop everything and entertain or comingle with foreign strangers it is unreasonable and will not happen. Bonding will occur with business, school and perhaps church associates. Children (small) often bring families/people together. The USA is no different. Europeans and Americans will all extend simple courtesies
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Kitten jumped on the keyboard. Natives will extend simple courtesies to visitors but are careful to limit the contact.
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GSteed - I have to disagree, there are many Europeans who actively dislike Americans, but that's not to say they're in the majority.

It's probably a similar proportion to Americans who dislike Europeans, but an idiot is still and idiot no matter what language they speak.
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Americans are like the rest of us.
They come in fat/thin, charming/obnoxious. friendly/aloof.
Their government is another matter because its decisions affect many folk outside its borders.

I once had an American idiot who claimed to be Irish (I think that his granny's second cousin once removed had come from Ireland) and he informed me that he hated the British.

You could adapt my reply for Americans.
I said, in a tone of genuine interest "well, there are about 50,000,000 of us, in several colours and ranging in age from just born to over 100 years old"
Do you hate everyone or only the white ones?
Do you hate the babies and centenarians or do you have a cut-off at say 10 years old?
Do you hate the women or just the men?"
His extremely intelligent reply was, You think you're so clever!"
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