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4h connection time: How to go to Prado and back?

4h connection time: How to go to Prado and back?

Aug 8th, 2007, 01:48 PM
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I think that I'll probably end up taking a chance and hailing a taxi. Maybe someone can comment on how easy this is near Prado. I've done this near Puerta del Sol. That or I'd go with car service. It'd be safer that way. I don't think I should rely on a taxi to wait for me.

I agree that SAC probably wants the cachet bestowed upon the shark by having it in the Met. And it's sort of funny when you think about it -- the shark has been replaced. So shouldn't the value decrease? But no, of course not. Because this is conceptual art.

The last I heard the skull hasn't been sold. Even the prints sell for over 10,000 (the ones with diamond dust, I guess -- chuckle). I find that appalling. And I think the edition size is 1000?!

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Aug 8th, 2007, 01:55 PM
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yk, I 've never known a taxi doing that !! If they don't want to wait..they just say no, it's not free, if they get another person, they don't have your money
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Aug 8th, 2007, 03:04 PM
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You would probably need to speak more than "tourist Spanish" (I don't know, maybe you speak fluent Spanish) in order to arrange for a taxi to wait. But the Ritz and the Palace are both very close to the Prado, and you could always sprint over and arrange a taxi.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 03:25 PM
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re: << Mlle, could you comment on why they denied boarding? 1h 10 min sounds like more than enough time. >>

Although the website still says 45min to this day, the posted cut-off time on a sign at the gate was 1h15min. I'm sure they were overbooked and were glad to have any excuse to get rid of a few of us. My point is, no matter what the airline's website says, you have to get there much earlier these days.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 03:50 PM
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Mlle -- did they make you pay? I'd hope not. I think that was really unreasonable.

I don't mind if they close the gate so early. Then I'd argue it's their fault. Could someone say whether I'd be responsible for this case?

It's MAD-BCN, so there should be plenty of flights. I'd be surprised if they close the gate 1h 15 min ahead of time -- considering that flights are spaced at 1-2h intervals. It wouldn't make sense, but stranger things have happened.

I guess it's a question of how much the cab drivers can make by waiting. When I was in Beijing, cabs drivers wanted to be hired for the entire day. One actually waited for an hour or two.

No I don't speak a word of Spanish, unfortunately. I think I know the Palace Hotel -- it's closer to Thyssen, isn't it? It probably does take some time even if I run -- probably 5 minutes.

I'll call Iberia to ask how much time before departure I need to be at the gate so at least I can plan accordingly.

I do worry that Iberia uses T4. It's a huge terminal. But last summer I was there not much more than an hour ahead for my flight home, and I did make it. When I finally checked in, I knew I had less than one hour. I had to run all the way. Iberia was horrible and tried to put me on standby at first.

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Aug 8th, 2007, 03:53 PM
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I don't think being AA Platinum can help in this case, can it? Sometimes there seem to be dedicated security lines -- certainly there're dedicated checkin lines, or you can use the First Class counter, I believe.

But I don't know how this would work for Iberia.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:12 PM
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<< Mlle -- did they make you pay? >>

It was a Skymiles award ticket, so I ended up paying $50 to standby for a half-empty Milan flight-- which took off about the SAME time as the Venice one I was supposed to be on-- and buying my own 20-euro train ticket to Venice. At the time, I didn't know their website said 45min, or else I would have argued.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:19 PM
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What you don;t seem to realize is that even if you have a boarding pass for the flight, if you're still standing in the security line when they close the plane doors you're not going to be on the flight. And - that means the rest of your itinerary will be cancelled.

If you're willing to risk this go ahead. But I would be VERY sure to check on the length of the security lines BEFORE you leave the airport.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:22 PM
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Thanks for sharing that awful experience.

I definitely think that if the website says 45 minutes and they bump you, they should be responsible. But I'd want to know what other more experienced people think about it.

For MAD-BCN, I really don't think that this scenario is likely, but then I don't know for sure. Anyway, all I care is that they are responsibie. I don't mind taking a later flight as long as I'm not penalized.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:29 PM
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Well, I don't mind their cancelling the entire itinerary either as long as they can fix it.

But yes, if I check a bag, that could present a problem, especially if I plan to attend a wedding in Oslo that week.

Basically the bottom line is that as long as they can fix whatever changes that can come about and not charge me a penalty, I don't care what they do.

As I said, if the website says 1h, say, and this is supposed to be a domestic flight (so no passport control!), I don't think that it's unreasonable to argue that ok, I was there an hour ahead of time, and I missed my flight anyway.

So I followed what you said and all your rules, and I missed my flight. So fix it for me.

Of course they could be totally unreasonable.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:33 PM
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111op,

After seeing your post yesterday, I googled Patinir. Looks fascinating! Hadn't seen any of his work before; I'll have to go and take a look at the Met's when it comes back. Do you know anything about the ones in Paris and Brussels?
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:37 PM
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Yes, the Palace is across from the Thyssen -- the Ritz may actually be a bit closer to the Prado (but I think its near the entrance, not the usual exit). I only stayed at the Ritz once, and everything in my room was pink -- after that, I switched (at least for business) to the Palace. When I pay, I like the Wellington.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:41 PM
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The problem is that you are not sure to be there one hour before the flight. You plan to do it...but there are a lot of variables that can go wrong. And if you are not there, they are not responsible for anything. I really wouldn't do it.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:45 PM
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2/3rd of Joachim Patinir's paintings in one exhibition is definitely amazing but I really have to say I don't think I have ever read a thread where EVERYONE advices a poster against an idea!

But more power to you. Do tell how it worked out when back. If you do get stuck in Madrid, it is a hell of a place to be at. Then you can go back to Prado and see it again. So you really don't lose
 
Aug 8th, 2007, 04:50 PM
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I think it's the one in Antwerp you're looking of? Or maybe I misremembered -- there could very well be another Patinir in Brussels.

The Antwerp one is supposedly a great painting -- the Prado webpage cites this painting specifically. Unfortunately I've not been to the Antwerp Fine Arts Museum. It's one of the ones on my list I've yet to cross out.

The Antwerp painting ("Flight into Egypt") is listed in Patrick de Rynck's book "How to Read a Painting," by the way, on p. 150. The other one chosen in that book is the Prado "Charon Crossing the Styx" (which I've seen).

I don't think I've heard of the one in Paris.

Anyway, as I said, I was quite struck by the Prado painting. I don't think that I was so impressed with the Met triptych, but it was lent to the show.

I also don't know a great deal about Patinir, but I figured that this is a good opportunity for me to learn something. I enjoy keeping lists and learning something -- for example, I've tried to keep track of complete works of Bosch, Vermeer, Breugel around the world I've seen. It's easy to find complete lists for them because they're readily available on the web.

For fun, I've tried to construct a list for Caravaggio.

I guess Patinir should be an easy one to add, now that I know.

An interesting project is Giorgione, but I just don't have the time right now.

And I'd like to look into Cimabue because there are so few extant paintings apart from frescoes (I think the count is between 6 and 8 -- I can think of 4).

So, yes, I hope this gives me some credibility as to why I'm interested in seeing the show in Prado.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 04:58 PM
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Well I guess one can argue which one is the entrance and which one is the exit for Prado. I think the north entrance is called Goya -- close to Thyssen. That's the one I'll use.

The other one is Murillo, I think. I think I plan to exit at Goya. But I'll study a map to be sure.

Well your budget is obviously higher than mine, thit. I try to go with cheap hotels. I've read about the nice restaurant at Wellington.

I can't really afford to be stuck in Madrid because on Friday I'm supposed to fly to Oslo for a friend's wedding. And the irony is that I specifically wanted to fly to Barcelona (though I won't have time to go to the city at all, I think). Unfortunately I didn't research Madrid art shows carefully. Prado seems to like to do a nice summer show, which I find unusual. Last year they had the Picasso show.

I've the feeling that after writing all this my flight will be delayed and that will be the end of the story. That'd be disappointing. I hope not though.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 05:41 PM
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"I don't mind if they close the gate so early. Then I'd argue it's their fault. Could someone say whether I'd be responsible for this case?"

That won't fly - since you weren't supposed to go landside anyway, or if you did you are required to be back in plenty of time. So saying "you closed the gate too soon" will get you no sympathy.

"Well, I don't mind their cancelling the entire itinerary either as long as they can fix it."

If they cancel the entire itinerary, the only real "fix" is for you to buy brand new tickets for the rest of your itinerary.

You don't seem to realize - if you miss the Barcelona flight you have releived them of ANY responsibility to get you anywhere else.

Is this exhibit worth being stranded in Madrid w/ no ticket back to JFK???
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Aug 8th, 2007, 05:43 PM
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Well, that's for me to decide, janis. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 05:44 PM
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By the way, it's a good question, janis, but really I think it deserves one question mark. When people over punctuate it sort of just drives me nuts.
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Aug 8th, 2007, 06:06 PM
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I fully meant the "???" because that would be a HUGE question if I was in your shoes . . . .
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