2022 Europe trip

Old Apr 14th, 2020, 06:35 AM
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You can plan using online resources - Rick Steves is good for Europe. On Trip Advisor the Destination Forums are individual per each city or region and information depends on how good the posters who frequent the forum happen to be.

How I would start is a paper map pinned to the wall. then using the places you mention as an example, it might look like this:

Fly from home city to Frankfurt - stay 5 days
Train to Berlin - stay 4 days
Train to Munich - stay 3 days
Fly to Paris - stay 5 days
Fly or train to Marsellie - 2 days
Fly or train to Lille - 2 days
Fly or train to Toulouse - 2 days
Fly or train to Madrid - 4 days
Fly Mallorca - 4 days
Fly back to an international airport to get your flight home


That is a 31 day itinerary, using the cities you mentioned wanting to go to. As a general suggestion, since you are on a budget, if you went less places and stayed more time in each could save some money on your overall budget. Most of your cities are about a 1.5 hour flight or an 8 hour train ride. And obviously in each city or town you need to arrange a place to stay. That's how you'd start planning.

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You have two long years to figure out where you're going, how you're going to get around, and how to make it happen. There are hundreds of guidebooks to aid you, not to mention history books and artbooks and maps and videos. Start gathering information now.

I doubt you'll be able to visit all those places in just 4 weeks. And some of them are just, well...weird choices IMO (and only in my opinion). I'd probably travel to Europe a dozen times, for example, before I'd think of visiting Mallorca. Same for Frankfurt - it's got a big huge airport, but very little else to recommend it. For me it's just a place to fly into and get the hell out of as quickly as possible. And Marseille, yes it's got a certain allure, but maybe after your 5th trip to France, probably not on your 1st.

It's almost pointless to get into any sort of detailed planning right now. The world as we know it will be a completely different place in 2022, and airlines and trains and buses may even no longer exist. Touring Europe could be a thing of the past. I hope not, but it's possible.
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Old Apr 14th, 2020, 10:00 AM
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suze's possible itinerary is doable but pretty rushed . . . and to get that many actual / usable days in those places would be a much longer trip - 42 days to be exact:

One day/night traveling to Europe
Fly from home city to Frankfurt - stay 5 days (to net 5 days you need 6 nights)
Train to Berlin - stay 4 days (5 nights)
Train to Munich - stay 3 days (4 nights)
Fly to Paris - stay 5 days (6 nights)
Fly or train to Marsellie - 2 days (3 nights)
Fly or train to Lille - 2 days (3 nights)
Fly or train to Toulouse - 2 days (3 nights)
Fly or train to Madrid - 4 days (5 nights)
Fly Mallorca - 4 days (5 nights)
Fly back to an international airport to get your flight home (probably the best part of two full days. You need to be at your gateway city by the evening before your flight home and then a full travel day home)

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Or start in Berlin then work your way west. Unless you have a special reason for 5 or 6 nights in Frankfurt, I agree with St. Cirq and bypass it completely which frees up several days on your schedule.

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This itinerary seems depressing to me, considering all the wonderful things you could see in a month.
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I assumed that Frankfurt was where they were flying into. And that jet lag might be involved, why I tossed a couple extra days at it. Don't really know since they haven't said where they are from. Or why they picked that as their first stop.

Have you priced plane tickets? That might influence what you want your first (and last) city to be.
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Pricing plane tickets right now - two years before this fictional trip may happen - would seem to be a waste of time, no? Who even knows what airlines will be flying?

shelemm's response gave me a chuckle. Yes, it's a depressing itinerary, given the possibilities. But the good news is the OP has two years to improve on it. That's assuming of course that anyone will be allowed into Europe to go touring around.
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Old Apr 16th, 2020, 11:48 AM
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No I don't think it's a "waste of time, no?" to research airlines and ticket options. And of course there is the slight possibility no one will be going anywhere! But...

Sounds like this person is not even familiar with the routes available to them. Sure things can change. But if I were looking out 2 years in advance to go from Seattle to "Germany, France, and Spain" I could at least start to look at which airlines have the best routes, prices, if I could get a nonstop, or an open jaws, etc. Is Frankfurt really the best option for a first city, and so on.
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No, it is an absolute and total waste of time in view of the current situation.

Nobody has any idea which airlines will be operating the various routes even 3 months from now.
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Old Apr 17th, 2020, 01:56 AM
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At this point all research should be on the reason why you want to go to a place, not the logistics. Anyone who writes they heard Mallorca is "one of the top touristic destinations in Spain" needs to have their hearing checked.
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Old Apr 18th, 2020, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by suze View Post
You can plan using online resources - Rick Steves is good for Europe. On Trip Advisor the Destination Forums are individual per each city or region and information depends on how good the posters who frequent the forum happen to be.

How I would start is a paper map pinned to the wall. then using the places you mention as an example, it might look like this:

Fly from home city to Frankfurt - stay 5 days
Train to Berlin - stay 4 days
Train to Munich - stay 3 days
Fly to Paris - stay 5 days
Fly or train to Marsellie - 2 days
Fly or train to Lille - 2 days
Fly or train to Toulouse - 2 days
Fly or train to Madrid - 4 days
Fly Mallorca - 4 days
Fly back to an international airport to get your flight home


That is a 31 day itinerary, using the cities you mentioned wanting to go to. As a general suggestion, since you are on a budget, if you went less places and stayed more time in each could save some money on your overall budget. Most of your cities are about a 1.5 hour flight or an 8 hour train ride. And obviously in each city or town you need to arrange a place to stay. That's how you'd start planning.
Hello

Thank you so much for your itinerary this looks very cool but I have to look on it very carefully, I have time and make it even better as per your suggestion. But you are very wonderful to give such great advice. I am glad that I joined here to get the information.
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Old Apr 18th, 2020, 05:23 AM
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I got pretty much information that I need for the long and complicated trip like this. this forum is very great, actually, I never heard about it but one of my friend suggest me to use it so I did and at the end, I got all I need. Thank you so much all the members who suggest to me.

I have a question can I write the story about the trip I did which will be reference for the people ??

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Old Apr 23rd, 2020, 12:01 AM
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I won't comment on potential places, that's dependent on you and your interests. I've had great trips in places considered "boring" by many And I've had great trips in the usual famous places. It all depends on your interests..

I didn't see anything about how old you are, what your interests are, or your style of travelling. Those sorts of things make a monumental difference in what you should choose and what I or others would advise. "Know thyself first."

Would you be backpacking?, using hostels or 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 star accommodations? frugal standard tourist using buses/trains?
Is this your first extensive trip?
How much do you just want to "hang loose" and be spontaneous as opposed to having it all planned in advance?
What are your interests? nature? scenery? city life? food? beaches? art? history? museums? drinking in bars/clubs? meeting people and socializing? Are you laid back or like to be always on the go? Are you up to walking 12 miles in a day on cobbled streets, or would you want to walk as little as possible?

"Know thyself first."

If I were in my 20's and single I'd travel much differently and to different places than I did when I did my first trip to Europe when I was in my late 40's and married and handcuffed to 2 week vacations, and that was much different than now when I'm retired and travel for 30 days at a time.

Here are some miscellaneous hints that would have helped me when I was starting to travel:

Many people like to take one or two days out of 30 days to stop, relax,and especially do laundry. And many people like a few extra days to do spur-of-the-moment things that you unexpectedly discover.

Don't figure this will be your only trip and try to see it all. Plan to travel relaxed at a moderate pace. When I was in my 20's I hitchhiked all over the US, At that time I didn't think there was a chance in hell that I'd ever get outside of the US. But later, when I did make my first trip to Europe I thought that would be the only time in my life. So I rushed around glancing at lots of things in lots of places, but not really taking time to really see, experience, and enjoy fewer places. As a result, I didn't get any more out of the trip than if I had stayed home watching travelogues..

When planning I usually think about what I want to do each day, and let that dictate my schedule. At the absolute minimum I'd spend at least one full day, 2 nights, in each stop. Nowadays I prefer spending 4 or 5 days (5 or 6 nights) in each stop. I plan a full "travel day" for every time I change cities. The reason: Even a short 2 hour train trip can take a surprisingly large part of a day with packing, checking in and out of hotels, getting to & from bus & train stations, getting your bearings in a new city. But there will usually be extra time on those travel days so I just figure that's unplanned bonus time to see and experience more.

To me, travelling is more about the experience than quickly seeing things.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2020, 10:52 AM
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You'll have several years to contemplate your trip and a lot may change in the meantime, not only about the world, but also about your own interests (especially if you are young)

Here's an example of 3 greatly different very conceptual itineraries depending on what are YOUR interests. After you plan a conceptual, rough concept itinerary, then you can begin to research and focus. But even the rough itinerary should reflect YOUR personality and interests.

The following presumes you want a wide ranging trip seeing many places seeing lots of it while passing by on a train or bus, guessing from your original post. Personally, I'd pick one specific area that interested me and concentrate there. Maybe something in between those two would be best?

If I were driven by a love of the outdoors, mountains, and beaches, but also some other touches like history and famous sites: Frankfurt to German Alps to Swiss Alps to either French or Italian alps to the south coast of France to the Pyrenees to Barcelona.
If I were driven by the bohemian lifestyle and art: Frankfurt to Berlin to Amsterdam to Paris to Madrid with intermediate stops along the way.
If I were driven by quaintness and history and castles and cathedrals and the picturesque: Frankfurt thence along the Moselle to Reims to Paris to Granada, *OR* Frankfurt thence along the Rhine to Amsterdam or Belgium to Paris to the north coast of Spain.

All the above is just to open your mind a bit. One thing that sometimes help is think of the *one* thing that you'd most like to see or do if you only could select *one*. Then build your trip thinking of that as a theme with variations on/from that theme on route.
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Old Apr 26th, 2020, 01:23 AM
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I won't comment on potential places, that's dependent on you and your interests. I've had great trips in places considered "boring" by many And I've had great trips in the usual famous places. It all depends on your interests..

I didn't see anything about how old you are, what your interests are, or your style of travelling. Those sorts of things make a monumental difference in what you should choose and what I or others would advise. "Know thyself first."

Would you be backpacking?, using hostels or 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 star accommodations? frugal standard tourist using buses/trains?
Is this your first extensive trip?
How much do you just want to "hang loose" and be spontaneous as opposed to having it all planned in advance?
What are your interests? nature? scenery? city life? food? beaches? art? history? museums? drinking in bars/clubs? meeting people and socializing? Are you laid back or like to be always on the go? Are you up to walking 12 miles in a day on cobbled streets, or would you want to walk as little as possible?

"Know thyself first."

If I were in my 20's and single I'd travel much differently and to different places than I did when I did my first trip to Europe when I was in my late 40's and married and handcuffed to 2 week vacations, and that was much different than now when I'm retired and travel for 30 days at a time.

Here are some miscellaneous hints that would have helped me when I was starting to travel:

Many people like to take one or two days out of 30 days to stop, relax,and especially do laundry. And many people like a few extra days to do spur-of-the-moment things that you unexpectedly discover.

Don't figure this will be your only trip and try to see it all. Plan to travel relaxed at a moderate pace. When I was in my 20's I hitchhiked all over the US, At that time I didn't think there was a chance in hell that I'd ever get outside of the US. But later, when I did make my first trip to Europe I thought that would be the only time in my life. So I rushed around glancing at lots of things in lots of places, but not really taking time to really see, experience, and enjoy fewer places. As a result, I didn't get any more out of the trip than if I had stayed home watching travelogues..

When planning I usually think about what I want to do each day, and let that dictate my schedule. At the absolute minimum I'd spend at least one full day, 2 nights, in each stop. Nowadays I prefer spending 4 or 5 days (5 or 6 nights) in each stop. I plan a full "travel day" for every time I change cities. The reason: Even a short 2 hour train trip can take a surprisingly large part of a day with packing, checking in and out of hotels, getting to & from bus & train stations, getting your bearings in a new city. But there will usually be extra time on those travel days so I just figure that's unplanned bonus time to see and experience more.

To me, travelling is more about the experience than quickly seeing things.
Thank you so much for your wonderful suggestions. I really appreciate it.
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Old Apr 29th, 2020, 08:25 AM
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I have a question can I write the story about the trip I did which will be reference for the people ??

Yes! Please do write a trip report. You can do it here, just start a new thread, and 'flag it' with the tag of Trip Report (airplane icon).
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Old Apr 30th, 2020, 01:29 AM
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Royejustjoseph: I just saw your trip report at The Manslu trek difficult but most beautiful holiday experience
What a great trek and beautiful photos. Definitely don't over-plan this trip to Europe. If you could just hang around Nepal for a month you'll have absolutely no problem in Europe. Plan some of the things you want to do and things you want to see but leave lots of days for spontaneous things like you did in Nepal.
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