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twefoju Aug 29th, 2016 08:18 PM

@menachem.

Thanks! Your info really helped alot. Yeah I was just thinking the same since I checked the train timing from ams to other cities are only less than an hour at most. So we wouldt have to check out each time we move to cities. I will def stay in ams and just visit those cities on the go..

Oh and I have a question. I booked the lower tier long side on section 121 amsterdam arena.. is that the ajax side or will be rotterdam side? Ill be damned if section 121 is for rival side. Ill be like so awkward...

I really cant wait to be in Amsterdam arena for the first time in my life since my support for Ajax in 2002!!

menachem Aug 29th, 2016 10:40 PM

You're safely on the Ajax side, twefoju!

420/421 is for the Ajax hardcore fanbase. You'll be right beneath there at almost field level. Should be very atmospheric.

Enjoy!

menachem Aug 29th, 2016 10:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZUxNW07cgc

:P

PalenQ Aug 30th, 2016 10:50 AM

Ill be damned if section 121 is for rival side. Ill be like so awkward...>

and potentially life threatening?

menachem Aug 30th, 2016 11:39 AM

It could be with Feyenoord playing Ajax, but with Sparta, twefoju only needs to learn the Sparta march and yell "Sparta naar voren!" every once in a while ;)

PalenQ Aug 30th, 2016 01:37 PM

Whoever scores first usually wins, right? so if Sparties are winning it may be fine but if not... well that is the stereotype some Americans like me have of soccer fans.

I remember long ago seeing soccer fans at Amsterdam's Olympic Stadium on trams out front trying to rock and tip them over - before they could succeed cops on horses came and shooed the fans all out - most were ordinary all-American or all-Dutch looking teens and young adult males.

menachem Aug 30th, 2016 03:07 PM

No dear fellow, whoever scores the most points wins, like in a lot of sports. Sigh.

Feyenoord - Ajax matches are notorious (very good that Feyenoord's chants aren't regularly translated, they're condemned and condoned at the same time). ADO Den Haag are the worst offenders. To such an extent that there are matches in which the ADO team took part that were played in an empty stadion, without spectators.

Violence was at its worst during the mid 1990s. Since then a number of control measures have kept it under control. One of the worst aspects of that was, and is that Ajax is widely seen as a "jewish" club. Hence completely unacceptable chants by mostly Feyenoord and ADO supporters that were pooh poohed in official and government circles however. Reacting to that, Ajax supporters started calling themselves superjews and started sporting Israeli flags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blnXHybSUhM

PalenQ Aug 31st, 2016 02:52 PM

Intersting menachem - it was in the late 1980s I saw those young soccer fans try to rock over the tram just after it took off from loading folks on Olympiaplein in front of the stadium - just after it turned left - tram stopped and it was quite a show. They did not seem like soccer hoodlums just younger guys. I wonder why though - did not they realize they could get hurt if they succeeded in tippling the tram?

Maybe soccer fans are not the brightest folks around?

twefoju Aug 31st, 2016 07:49 PM

lol, to be honest, i didnt know what to expect from the match, as i have always watch Ajax from tv since forever, Eredivisie isnt that big here in Indonesia, although we have some Dutch culture here, but then everyone just watch EPL, Serie A and La Liga,

so i usually didnt have hangout friends for Eredivisie, no one knows the young dutch player, and i am so hoping by the time i watch the game on 12 february, Ziyech will play regularly for us, i am almost certain he will be our main player right away!

anyway. i have decided to visit Hague, Haarlem, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Delft for the 1 week stay i will have at Netherlands

so menachem, if you are around for the match, all the best for both team! i will be there so maybe if you can give me some more tips about Netherlands, i would appreciate, i am just worried now most places would close due to heavy winter in Feb.

Whathello Aug 31st, 2016 08:14 PM

'No dear fellow, whoever scores the most points wins, like in a lot of sports. Sigh'

I've always heard that international soccer is a game played by 11 people per team, coming from the whole world, and at the end the Germans win.

No ?

PalenQ Sep 1st, 2016 01:52 PM

'No dear fellow, whoever scores the most points wins, like in a lot of sports. Sigh'>

Maybe not in average matches but I watch some of the big games - World Cup, etc and it seems teams get the first goal tend to sit on it as we say and play not to let the other team score.


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