1st class to Italy...worth it?

Mar 26th, 2007, 02:46 AM
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Do you have enough miles for an upgrade? There might not be availability but it's worth a shot.
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Mar 26th, 2007, 04:55 AM
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Here is a trick I do sometimes, if the fares are really low. I'll buy 3 or 4 coach seats for two of us. Then you have your own "row". While not nearly as comfortable as the folks in front, this does really open up the area.

The operative word is low fare. If you are paying a substantial amount for coach, then it isn't worth it.

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Mar 26th, 2007, 06:17 AM
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The last 2 times to Europe we have used our FF miles and upgraded to Business Class on US AIR. I don't think I can ever go back to the cattle pen again. Is it worth it? YES If I could afford to pay it I would, without a doubt. If money is not your problem, then I can think of no reason why you would not do it.
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Mar 26th, 2007, 06:38 AM
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Lets put some numbers to this dicussion.

I just got back from a SFO-CDG-MAD trip on AF. Booked it last fall and paid $737.88 complete.

On the long-haul flight, I had seat 17J on an Airbus, the aisle seat on the right side of the plane, only two seats on the right. Row 17 is the first seat in coach so I had plenty of room to stretch out my legs (I'm 5-9).

On the return CDG-SFO leg, I had 17J but they changed me to 17F, across the aisle, still an aisle seat. Only problem was my right leg couldn't spread out as wide without my foot sticking out into the aisle. My right knee, which does stiffen up sometimes, did get a bit stiff but not as bad as it has.

Anyways, if I could have gotten a business class ticket for under $2500, I might have done it. Didn't price it but it would probably have been more like $5000.

I also had over 250k SkyMiles so I could have bought a more expensive coach ticket and used 40k miles to upgrade. Or tried, because availability might not have been there. But an upgradeable coach ticket would probably have cost close to $2000, well over 2 times the cost of my cheap coach fare.

Oh well, the food was tolearable (tried the kosher meal on the way back) and it could have been more comfortable.

But the thousands I saved will go towards additional trips. In 2006, I went on 5 trips, 4 of which I paid for.

In 2007, I've already paid for 3 airplane tickets and also have a fourth which will be a business class award ticket. I will probably buy a fourth to reach Gold Medallion on Delta.

So right now, I'm going for quantity of flights over quality of flights.
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Mar 26th, 2007, 07:09 AM
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Hi S,

>..so far we have couch seats.

Actually, those are the very best.

>Is it worth the extra $$?
That's entirely your call.

I find that Business or 1cl seats are an extremely expensive teeny, tiny hotel room.

Fly cheap, sleep cheap, eat well.

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Mar 26th, 2007, 08:15 AM
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ira,
I really like that philosophy.
Lady "L" has been in the industry for 45+ years, so we get occasional upgrades from her highly placed friends.
We did pay out of pocket for AA first class travel DFW-FRA rt in Sept '02, but bought the tickets from a local consolidator for $2,000. Probably worth it as the coach seats were over $900.
Last long trip in Oct/Nov, used 180K Delta miles MEX-EZE/SCL-MEX on partners Avianca and AeroMexico - the Avianca experience not worth the miles, but AM was great.
We now take Ambien on long haul flights as soon as the aircraft takes off and avoid 757's.
Miss a meal or two, but usually get 6-7 hours sleep.
Leaving in 5 weeks: JFK-BCN/FCO-JFK in coach on Delta (767) - actually have "preferred" coach seating which we almost never get.
Buen viaje.
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Mar 30th, 2007, 02:05 PM
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I don't find coach too bad IF I can get a 2-seat row, but I would love to fly 1st or business.

But, when I figure the cost per hour of this, I just can't justify it. Flights to France for me are about 9 hours, so if I pay an extra $1000 that is $111/hour, $2000 is $221/hour, etc.

Now, if were wealthy and a thousand or two here and there didn't make any difference, I wouldn't even look at coach!
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Mar 30th, 2007, 02:36 PM
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Joe is in First Class, having the time of his life for 10 hours...he paid $5,500. Jim is sitting in coach...mildly sedated for 10 hours...he paid $500. Once an hour, a flight attendant nudges Jim and gives him $500. Once on the ground, Joe is ready to take on the day. Once on the ground, Jim is ready to take his $5,000 to ...well, someplace good, if you know what I mean.
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Mar 30th, 2007, 05:51 PM
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How tall/large are you? How miserable are you in minute seats? Will it prevent you from sleeping? How much is the $ worth to you (if it won;t affect anything else, do it - if it will cause you to have to cut back other places, then don't)?

We always do First Class - but either the company pays for the seats or we're using some of the gazillion miles we've racked up. (I don;t mind coach for a couple of hours - but for more than that it makes me nuts - and I'm only 5'9".)
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Mar 30th, 2007, 06:31 PM
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It depends on the price difference. If coach is $500 and first is $5,000, then I say no. But if through some pricing quirk, coach is $900 and first is $1,700, I'd consider it in some cases.
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Mar 30th, 2007, 07:15 PM
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I fly first class for business mostly. When on vacation, the length of the flight determines if I upgrade from economy-plus to business or first. Cost becomes the second issue. I prefer to spend my money after I land and not on the hotel either
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Mar 30th, 2007, 07:35 PM
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Cargillman raises a good point. In summer travel time, business class is often only twice the cost of coach; while in spring/fall, it's usually 4x or more.
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