Actually HONEY, I do not think X was simply asking a question...he was defending Sarah's slight on my comment about "doing England." In addition he made a sweeping statement about Americans that I found insulting. Thus, it is you my DEAR that has misinterpreted my rebuttle, and maybe you should go back to your budweiser and cheetos, while my father and I try to prove to the English that their assumptions about people like yourself isn't correct...although apparently X may be right! <BR><BR>Hopefully tomorrow I can just go back to reading the wonderful advice of caring travellers...<BR>

Len,<BR>I remembered an excellent thread from last year about itineraries for England for history buffs and I have topped it for you. You may already have this info since it was your post from last year I thought there were some excellent trips described by Janis and John and others so it's worth a look again and might help others. Have a wonderful trip...my own suggestion would be to include York, as "the history of York is the history of England".... There are many threads <BR>with York suggestions so it's worth a search....again, have a great trip!<BR>

x [email protected] (it's amazing how many people on this forum have that same email address. How do you find your own email?) Perhaps I misinterpreted sarah's comments, and she didn't mean them as insultingly as they appeared to me. I thought her comment was goofy and I generally respond to "goofy" with dripping sarcasm.<BR><BR>I certainly understand that you may browse the V&A Museum at a slower pace than I would. I guess one difference between us is that I wouldn't accuse you of having a psychological disorder because you find something interesting that I find boring.<BR><BR>My remarks were inappropriate for Len's question, and I apologize to Len . . .<BR><BR>However, if someone asks, as it seems frequently happens on this forum, if seeing some number of sights in one day is too much, there's almost always a flurry of posts saying "yes, that's way too much." I simply don't understand how people can be so subjective about this aspect of travel and present it as obvious and objective.<BR><BR>As for "notch his gun belt - another on knocked off" . . . that's a rather odd metaphor. But so what? What bothers you about that? In the early 70's I worked for Braniff Airlines and a buddy of mine and I got a pass on PAN AM 1 and rode it around the world without getting off except to look around the airports we stopped at. Many of the places wouldn't let us out of the departure / transit lounge. Basically we did this just to say we'd done it. I hope that story didn't give you a heart attack, x.<BR><BR>Len, see how fast you can make the drive between Land's End and John O' Groats.

Len<BR>I have stayed at 'The Rembrandt'. It's ideally situated- right across the road from the Victoria and Albert and the Science and Natural History Museums. The famous dept stor 'Harrod's' is about 10 minutes walk away and just round the corner is South Kensington Underground (subway) station.<BR>I'd recommend, as several others have done, the area of the Cotswolds,Oxford, Stratford upon Avon and Warwick. Oxford is easily accessible from London by motorway (1-1.5 hours) and the other towns are within a 40 mile radius of Oxford. Welcome to England!

Thanks Meg for the great advice and to "helping Len" for topping that thread. Obviously I have an over abundance of great ideas to sort through. Thanks again. Right now I have rooms reserved at both The Rembrandt and Rubens. I am just trying to figure out which my dad will enjoy more.

My post was not meant to be taken as insulting,I was asking an honest question.I do not feel that my question was in anyway nasty.I am just interested in how people from other countries use their holiday time.To me a holiday is meant to be a time where I slow down and enjoy myself.I would rather see a few places well and enjoy myself than rush through lots of places and see and learn nothing.Why goto the V&A if it bores you just miss it out (Snoopy).Sorry if I put my question on a board where people take offence to a question being asked.

hey everybody - look at Len's original thread (9/5/01, topped overnight). He has already received all of this information and a ton more. Since his supposed Dad was 55 13+ months ago and is still 55, I am beginning to think Len is a weird troll.

How would I know if I would be bored or not if I didn't go in the first place? It was the "do you like to come home and say to everyone that you did England" remark that made your legitimate question sound snippy and ascerbic.<BR><BR>And I think it's a legitimate question to wonder why some people think there is a 'right' and 'wrong' way to visit a country, a city, a museum, an historic site . . .

Huh may be on to something. The thread helpinglen topped was Len's own thread. What's up with that?

People please! I assure I am not a Weird Troll. I was planning on taking this trip this past spring so I wrote last year asking for advice. Due to my work schedule I was not able to go this year and decided instead to book for 2003. Sorry that I put my Dad's age as 55 twice, to be honest if I get his age with a 3 year margin of error I am happy. Trust me I am not trying to waste anyone's time, and the posts have all been great. I am a television producer and am now thinking I should do a show on this website! I have never seen people so willing to tear into someone for the most inane things. Is it that you really have nothing else to do? Thanks to all who have truly been helpful in my trip planning...

Okay, to get back to the point of this whole posting, which I believe is travel and not the age of Len's Dad. My husband and I just went in May for exactly 12 days, and we stayed in London for the first 4, then Oxford for 4, and then back to London for the last three. I loved not using a car. It was no stress the whole trip. Not to mention gas prices are horrible over there. It's true you might not be able to tour the Cotswolds as thoroughly as one might like, but I believe there is a bus out of Oxford to Chipping Camden which is a wonderful Cotswolds town. The people are very helpful at the Oxford bus station and will help you plan your excursions, but you might want to figure out your trips as soon as you get there. Feel free to email me more about Oxford (I studied there, and love it). As for your London stay, being a history buff I sure hope you and your Dad are going to check out the Cabinet War Rooms. They are only a hop skip and jump from Big Ben/Parliment/Westminster Abbey. Now, it is only my personal opinion, but myself and other friends who have travelled to London are not big fans of Thistle Hotels. The Hilton Kensington looked very nice from the outside but I haven't been inside. I really enjoy the Small Luxury Hotel selections on londontown.com. We stayed at Twenty Nevern Square in Earl's Court and loved it. So much personality, but it is not central to everything - the point being though, that we found it off londontown.com. I'll stop rambling now.

I just reread the entire post and saw nothing mentioned outside a 100 mile radius of London. I took my mom (at the time, age 66) to the Lake District and it was her most memorable travel experience. She loved the colors, the hills, the lakes. And mid-week is certainly the time to visit, avoid the crowds that will likely head that direction that time of year.<BR><BR>Miller Howe, pricey but worth it, near Windemere, spectacular rooms. Cedar Manor, reasonable and very much worth it, unique and well apppointed rooms, near Windemere. Wateredge Inn, beamed ceilings, outstanding restaurant, in Ambleside. The Sun, fair rooms, fair food, great views, in Coniston. But there are so many excellent choices in the area that it's not fair for me to sway you toward any one in particular.<BR><BR>The Lakes are a bit of a hike from London, out the M4 and up the M6 . . . it can be done in less than 5 hours. As a TV Producer you shouldn't miss it. It's some of the most dramatic scenery in the UK.

Stacey and Snoopy thank you both, so many great places, unfortunately so little time. Many people have suggested Oxford as a good center point for excursions in the countryside. I have had mixed responses on whether or not to have a car. I must admitmy curiosity is a bit piqued at the idea of driving on the other side. Although my dad and I both love train rides as well. Stacey I will probably email you for more on Oxford. Thanks again for all this great info.