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So many people getting sick on a variety of cruises- what's up? Should I cancel?

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Nov 27th, 2002, 03:19 AM
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This type of out-break goes on all the time where there are large #'s of people...offices, schools, cruise ships, etc.
Now add to that the fact that if someone doesn't feel good they might skip school or work but they darn sure won't miss the vacation they've been planning for months!!
We're going next month and I haven't been deterred one iota..will exercise a little cs and definately wash my hands a lot more often!!
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 05:18 AM
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Fanci,
yes, a virus does need a host to reproduce (but obviously not a human). According to your theory, however, if the ship has been cleaned and the crew has been isolated until they're free of the virus, how come there are still outbreaks? Obviously, it's not so easy to get rid of the virus that easily.
Tessa (still hiding behind a fake email and keeping it that way).
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 06:02 AM
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Tessa (still hiding behind a fake email and keeping it that way).

Firstly, it is not a theory...many years in public health supports my view.

Secondly, the crew has not been isolated..except for the Ryndam when it was taken out of service and now for the Amsterdam as it is out of service.

Thirdly, these kind of viruses are active in small numbers all across the world and occasionally "clusters" pop up...yesterday's news reported cases in London and Afghanistan.

As a general rule, the numbers/percentages are too small to attract attention so it goes unreported by the media. Thanks to it happening in a glamorous setting (cruise ships) and slow news otherwise, its now being followed closely, similar to the Florida shark attacks last year [factually, fewer in 2001 than 2000].

So, the virus is probably coming on board [a closed system] with passengers who are already carrying/incubating the virus. This is supported by the virus appearing on the third day of the most recent Disney Magic cruise, which is consistant with the 24-48 hour incubation period.

In all of my postings, I have tried to present the facts as we currently know them.
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 06:59 AM
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It does seem odd though that we are just now hearing about it happening on cruise ships - if it had happened in the past, we surely would have heard about it - wouldn't we. This suggests that this recent activity is, in fact, something that's new to the cruise industry?
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 07:37 AM
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Hi Peter....

From today's Cruise Critics newsletter [dk if accurate]

"The Norwalk virus has plagued cruise lines for years, particularly during summers in the Alaska/Northwest Canada region. It is very contagious and is spread through contact with surfaces touched by the infected -- anything from a stair rail to a casino chip. Symptoms include nausea, diarrhea and vomiting and it generally lasts about two days."

Seems not to be a new thing.
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 10:12 AM
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So, fanci, sounds like there is no solution. Initially you said that "a virus can only live a limited time, so without a live host it is self limiting. If the ship is completely cleaned, and there are no active cases among crew or new passengers, then the virus should die." But now since new passengers are coming on board carrying the virus, looks like we'll just have to live with it. Is that what you're saying?
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 11:15 AM
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Yes, that is essentially what I am saying.

I live 150 miles from the nearest cruise ship terminal, and we are seeing some isolated cases of what appears to be Norwalk. Therefore, it is not specifically a ship's virus.

However, a ship is a contained environment, like an airplane, train, bus, office, hospital, mall, and school. If there is a carrier, [and we need only one] the virus will spread more rapidly than in the general population.

What is the solution? There is not one. People who are incubating the virus can appear normal and believe themselves perfectly healthy.

Viruses tend to run their course. [Which is not soothing if your vacation is ruined.] This is seen every year with respiratory flu viruses.

The only "safe" option is to hide in your closet--but then again, there may be moths.



 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 11:35 AM
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With regards to all, the virus will run it's course and will be forgotten, all about the same time the media finds something else to focus on.

As to those who feel it has to be terrorism, something hideous, etc, how many have a cruise on the books in the forseeable future?
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 12:50 PM
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We do. Late January on RC. My husband and myself. I am just hoping for the best. I would not cancel even if I could.
 
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Nov 27th, 2002, 12:56 PM
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Me too....in Jan...am I skeered....hell NO.
 
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Nov 29th, 2002, 04:16 AM
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Yes please cancel and show the greedy cruiselines that they need to do something about people getting sick on their boats.
 
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Nov 29th, 2002, 05:29 AM
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Ken--Let's also close the schools, hospitals, offices, malls, movies, churches--all the places where people congregate. Just throw all the workers onto the street. We'll show those greedy people we mean business!

Bet you want to pass a law, right?
 
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Nov 29th, 2002, 07:04 AM
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I we were to cancel we would not be out quite a substantial amount of money. I am not going to to this when I could become sick from going to the mall with the same virus. I am taking my chances. If the ship we are sailing on has these problems even on one cruise before we sail than I may reconsider. At this point in time it is not a concern.
 
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Nov 29th, 2002, 12:37 PM
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Sell your tickets immediately. I'll give you .10 on the dollar.
 
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Nov 29th, 2002, 06:58 PM
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Sarah
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If you people washed your hands after taking a dump you wouldn't be having all these problems.

 
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Nov 29th, 2002, 10:43 PM
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I don't think fecal matter is causing the spread of the virus. Unless, of course, passengers were hurling it at each other.

Paul
 
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Nov 30th, 2002, 05:14 AM
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Hurling it at each other because they didn't like there table mates.
 
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Nov 30th, 2002, 05:26 AM
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Is that a new "fun ship" activity...like singing waiters and bare chest contests....

Or are you saying cruise ship passengers are like Howler Monkeys who do a lot of chattering before hurling feces at neighboring tribes. No wonder the Norwalk virus has them squawking.
 
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Dec 1st, 2002, 01:45 PM
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People bring flu viruses on board. Once you paid all this money on goes wheater they feel sick or not and hope to get over it. It happen to us that we had the norwalk type virus, which we caught in Florida, the day of departure. We had to be on liquid food for 2 days but then were better. Hate to say it but we could have passed it on to the staff and they in turn to other passengers. But those are the breaks
 
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Dec 1st, 2002, 10:43 PM
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Finally we know who the culprit is. Now there will be a class action suit against John.

 
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