Notasnob. I bet you think Gerry Springer is quality programming as well.<BR><BR>Just because you are educated scholastically, doesn't mean you are educated.<BR><BR>If you want to slum, that's fine. Some people like to travel the old way. In style!

<BR>Phil, this is a cruise information site, not a teen-age chat room.<BR><BR>Paul

Anne, We booked on the Grand Princess to the Western Caribbean in January for our first cruise. Took our daughter, 23, and son, 13. They had a ball, especially our son. The teen program is great, there were days we didn't see much of him because he enjoyed the other teens and activities so much.<BR>The counselors in their program were great. Our family had such a wonderful experience on the Grand Princess we want to go every year.<BR>The ship is beautiful, very large (didn't feel crowded anywhere), excellent service, fabulous food (personal choice dining) and fun entertainment. Every age group was represented, probably a higher percentage in the 45+ range but that's expected because of more flexible vacation time and income. You won't be disappointed with the Grand Princess.<BR>Good Luck.

I understand the concerns here. I have taken 2 RCCL and just returned from Carnival. Enjoyed the ship, food and staff but couldn't believe the men in cutoffs and NASCAR t-shirts at the table next to us in the dining room. When Bubba showed up on formal night with backwards baseball cap,he was finally turned away!I don't judge people- but where there are lower classes there are more smokers and rude ones at that.Lungs still recovering.

Gee, I didn't know we judged people by Class in the USA.<BR>Actually, one of the Worst Dressers I even met was a Billionaire my husband used to do business with.<BR>Rumpled Madras Jacket and Pants and Loafers with No Socks. <BR>Just because one has $$ does mean they have Class.

Classy - you're absolutely right. People who actually know people with lots of money, education, etc (and/or have it themselves) are well aware of this.

Anne's point was not money. It was that she did not want to travel with a bunch of people acting like they were in high school wearing wife beater shirts. <BR><BR>There are cruise lines for everyone. Just because she said she didn't enjoy the crowd on that one doesn't mean she's a snob. She recognizes she would be happier at a more upscale line.<BR><BR>What is wrong with that? <BR><BR>Anne, I would suggest Celebrity or Princess in the Caribbean. It will be more expensive than Carnival. But it will be worth it.<BR>

Money - <BR><BR>Anne didn't say a single word about "wife beater" shirts - or any type of clothes, for that matter(someone else did). She did, however, to making snap judgments about people the minute she laid eyes on them, and that she needs to be with people she could "relate to" better (then never tells us exactly what she means).<BR><BR>She

To clarify a point- I meant socioeconomic class when I alluded to a disproportionate number of smokers. This is a sociological fact, not a personal observation.Next time I will consider a smoke-free cruise.As for class- such as manners- it doesn't matter how much money you have. If you don't treat people well and abide by the rules of the ship you are a boor.To so blatently defy the dress code is to show disrespect to others. Why book a cruise if you can't handle the rules?

If you want a Smoke Free Cruise, Carnival is your Only Choice. The PARADISE, sailing 7 night Eastern/Western Caribbean cruises from Miami.

Lets face it. This is the same cruise line that incoporates the WWF into it's specialty cruise. Can't get much classier that that.<BR><BR>I didn't know anyone elected you to be the moderater for this thread Paul.<BR><BR>Some people are happy with Chevys and some like a Bently. Guess which Carnival is?

Hey Phil, that's BENTLEY, I guess you don't have one.

Nope I'll stick to my Porsche,haha. don't have either. Then again I don't have a Chevy either.

<BR>Hey Phil, son of a gun, I missed the WWF cruise. When was it?<BR><BR>Oh, and don't miss the Sha-Na-Na Holland America Cruise. You're an upscale person, right?<BR><BR>Paul

If Carnival does not have the Likes of Phil on it, then Carnival is the Cruise line for ME.