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FEMA to charter three Carnival ships for refugees

Sep 5th, 2005, 04:16 AM
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My vision as to what to offer all these people is for Red Cross/FEMA to compile a list of all those who agree to be relocated to another part of the country for 6-18 months. Then, this is a chance for Bush to use his "faith based initiative (which I am not usually a supporter of) and contact all national leaders of various national religious and civic organizations. These leaders would then contact their local units and get lists/numbers of how many family units each could "sponsor"

My definition of sponsor means transport, arrange or provide housing, job and education support, financial support, access to local and state services - and eventually assistance re-relocating back to home state.

For example, say my local church took 3 families - we would get them apartments and pay first/last/security and longer if necessary. I am sure that in our basements we have enough stuff to supply and furnish these apartments - etc. for other needs.

If there was some measure of hope such as this, I would be more supporting of refugee camps - in whatever form - since just to state that they are "temporary" does not make them so.

(Sorry, I promised 16 posts back not to get back on my soapbox)
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Sep 5th, 2005, 07:07 AM
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Gail, I agree completely with your comments. However, I believe that some people who are willing to be relocated completely and forever should be processed differently than those who plan to go back to N.O. And it will take a lot longer than 18 months to rebuild or rehab the poorest areas of that city.

Here's another thought: when N.O. is rebuilt, they won't be rebuilding slums. How will the displaced people afford the new, more expensive housing?

Perhaps some of the people who are being displaced could instead be put to work rebuilding the city, and earn not only money but housing credits by participating in the cleanup and construction? What those people need are jobs, and asap.

Sorry, Jacketwatch, your racial baiting won't work. I would guess that black and white people would find those Carnival cabins equally tiny and untenable for six months at a time. And yes, in point of fact, it will be another housing project!
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Sep 5th, 2005, 07:41 AM
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KSWL: It wasn't baiting but you took it anyway. You comment about it being a housing project shows how you see a group of African-American people, i.e. in terms of profiling. In fact do you or anyone else know of the socio-economic status of them? Do you assume they are all on welfare, ADC, etc? I suppose you think hardly any of them work. Inconceivable to you I'll bet. I think your comments speak for themselves. BTW as for the race issue it has been brought up before inre to those dispalced by Katrina and don't be so naive to think that America is not being viewed this way by the foreign press who see this. Several prominent African-American leaders as well as many of those so afflicted have mentioned it. I think this thread has indeed shown some racial undertones and certainly has demonstrated some stereotypical thinking. Do you really think we have no racial issues in our society? Hopefully one day this problem in our society will be a non-issue. We have made progress but who can deny there is more needed? Finally KSWL shame on you.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 07:57 AM
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Two of these ships are to be docked in Galveston, Texas. That'll be in excess of 5,000 people on board, not counting the crew. Galveston is a small town. There is already a large contingent of poor people there. There will be no jobs available for these masses of people. What will they do for 6 months? In fact, after the tourist season is over, Galveston is a quiet little seaside town. Seems to me that things could get out of hand real fast.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 08:04 AM
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Well, Jacketwatch, you have identified yourself as the racist. YOU are the one who equates "housing project" with poor black people. Many housing projects in the U.S. are not predominantly black--including several in my own home town. It's not ultimately helpful to the people who need more assistance than a few months on a cruise ship.

It would be helpful if you actually read what is written before you post.

Stop trying to charge perfectly legitimate descriptions such as "housing project" with a racial connotation.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 08:18 AM
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KSWL; My wife is a woman of color dear. BTW housing projects were specifically created for poor African-Americans. They are predominately racial though not absolutey so. You again show you true colors by assuming those who will get shelter on the ships as needing societal rehab and not just a friendly port in the storm. I do believe I hit a nerve with you.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 10:13 AM
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No nerve here---just puzzlement about your attitude. What difference could it possibly make that you have a wife "of color?" It amazes me that you seem to equate poverty with color as though the two were flip sides of the same coin. Sorry about the chip on YOUR shoulder.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 10:32 AM
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JKSL; You're out on your feet.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 10:47 AM
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kswl: Well this could go on and on and we will most probably not agree. For the record I did not associate povery with color. Having traveled the world I have seen povery in all sorts of colors of course. I don not think you are capable to see this issue logically and perhaps are blinded by what I see in you that you don't. So be it. Never argue with a fool because someone watching may not be able to tell the difference. Adios and bon voyage.
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Sep 5th, 2005, 12:28 PM
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Stop and think people!!!! WILL THERE BE JOBS TO GO BACK TO!!!! Public housing has a bad connotation everywhere, they seem to be nothing but warehouses whether for poor black or poor white. Where are the materials and workmen to build and repair homes? People in Florida still have blue tarps on their roofs.. The people who could afford it left by car or by plane... there are many elderly people that I saw in wheelchairs, using oxygen..do we think they hav the $$ to rebuild or the stamina to go through the process of rebuilding or starting from scratch. The good people of this country are opening their arms and homes to many..Most do not know where their children are, where their spouses are...they have no cell phones to call anybody for help.. A whole infrastructure is needed for these displaced people.... and I don't see any plans being discussed for helping thse people.. BTW does anybody notice there aren't pictures of the floating dead bodies on tv... As Gail has said that many organizations could sponsor a family....how about the elderly... there aren't enough beds in decent nursing homes.. There are more problems or potential problems than we can solve and mainly psychologically..what the children and their parents have gone through...loss of their homes and their lives.. Alot of good people ae stepping up to the proverbial bat to help their fellow man..None of us has a solution, but support the organizations such as the Salvation Army that will give freely.
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