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Am I the only one who would rather pay more than be nickled and dimed for a week??

Am I the only one who would rather pay more than be nickled and dimed for a week??

Jan 8th, 2003, 04:12 PM
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We didn't book a cruise for 2003, first year we haven't cruised (usually twice a year)in our 13 years of marriage. During our last cruise,our bill after 7 days was sky high! Other than a bottle of wine each evening with dinner, we didn't consume any alcohol...it was all the other charges for this and that. It really put a damper on our cruise feeling like everywhere we turned, someone was trying to sell us something! Even the information pertaining to the different ports had a strong "BUY" overtone. We decided to give it a rest for a year, then in 2004 we're going on the Radison Mariner. I can't wait! I'd rather go once a year on a nice luxury ship, then twice a year feeling like we're being herded around like cattle, with the cruiseline in our pockets! Yes, I'd much rather pay more up front and not be charged all along the way (of course, I'll always pay extra for my massages...a must!) Kathy
 
Jan 8th, 2003, 04:27 PM
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I see posts after posts on how to get the lowest cruise rates, who to book with to save a few dollars, how that booking on the net saves, etc etc.. People are always looking for that top-of-the-line cruise at a cost that is next to nothing. When you book a cruise or any vacation for a few hundred dollars, you have to expect that the cruise line is going to make it up somewhere along the way. If they didn't, they couldn't give you these cruises at rock bottom prices. The old saying of getting what you pay for is as true today as it was 50 years ago.
As long as the public expects and gets cruises for next to nothing, expect to be asked to buy something. Why let it bother you--look at all you are saving on the upfront cost.
 
Jan 8th, 2003, 05:53 PM
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Sandra and Al -- Any one who said we are all entitled to our opinions was lying.
 
Jan 8th, 2003, 06:58 PM
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Lew
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Sandra and Al -- Any one who said we are all entitled to our opinions was lying.
 
Jan 8th, 2003, 10:31 PM
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We paid over $5,000 for a mini-suite on an NCL ship/Alaska cruise (this was after shopping for the best rate). I loved Alaska, but was disappointed in the way NCL has become. They used to like to say "yes", now they love to say "no". We've sailed them 3 previous times and each time, they are getting stingier and stingier. For $1,200. more we could have sailed on Radisson without the "grief"...stupid us! (our cabin was beautiful though).There's just an attitude present today (maybe desperation?) that has become apparent that wasn't there (or at least not obvious) when we cruised these ships in the 80's and 90's. I'm waiting for them to start charging for room service! Many who are new to cruising would probably not sense this, ignorance can be bliss! We too are ready to move up to a higher caliber of cruiselines, at least give it a try. I too wish that cruiselines would take the time to read these postings as well as our cruise comment cards!
 
Jan 8th, 2003, 11:27 PM
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No one has defined nickles and dimes.

If you cruise on an upscale line you are still going to pay for extras as mentioned above. And if you want say a bottle of First Growth, Chateau Lafite Rothchilds 1983 do you think they are just going to "give" it to you? Maybe one should call this $50's and 100's.

We're all arguing a moot point.

Paul
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 04:20 AM
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I think Paul and some others have defined it quite well. Everyone is looking for something for nothing. You either pay as you go along, or pay it up front. I still feel a cruise is a good value for the money. Especially for a family. Of course the cruise lines are going to try and make up for it along the way. That is just plain business. It is everywhere. Not just on a cruise ship but everywhere. A new car is advertised for $10,000 you get in there and it is stripped. The "real car" with bells and whistles is much more! It is the old "bait and switch." It is just plain common sense. A new house is advertised, beginning at, but try and purchase it for that price. Again extras are added, options it can soar way above the origninal price on the billboard. it is business!!
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 08:50 AM
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I agree that you either pay as you go or pay more upfront....(I like the new car analogy). I too would rather pay more up front. I guess it is a psychological "damper" to be knit-picked along the way. To each his own.

Personally, I'm much older than all of you I'm sure. I remember when cruising really was a pampering, white glove experience reserved for just a tiny percent of the population. The first time I went on a cruise was for our 25th anniversay. Now days everyone is able to go. My grandchildren range in age from 19-33 and all have been on cruises, probably several. I preferred the days when it was a bit more "elite" and something an average couple would strive to do "someday" if they were lucky. Now with these mega ships that need to be filled, it's competitive to keep the price as low as possible and just fill 'em up. The cabins use to be very tiny and you were so lucky if you were able to have a 2 foot port hole! (we were never that lucky). The cabins have gotten so much nicer but the cruise experience itself has sure deteriorated. Ah, my QE/QE2 days were the ultimate! Never to be seen again. I think it's unfortunate that most all of you will never be able to experience what once was....guess maybe you could catch a glimpse with an old movie from the 50's on AMC! I know everyone will disagree but felt good writing my thoughts. I've always just been a reader, never a poster!
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 01:41 PM
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Paul, Horrible analogy.

We're not talking a bottle of Rothchild or even Opus one for pete's sake, we're talking about a cup of coffee, orange juice or some ice cream. If you're going to make an analogy, at least let it make sense and have a frame of reference!

 
Jan 9th, 2003, 01:43 PM
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I wonder if Helen was ever on Grace Lines Santa series (Santa Rosa,etc) Our first cruise to the Caribbean started in new York in the early eighties.
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Jan 9th, 2003, 01:49 PM
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C'mon I would much rather have to pay for more than I expected to spend at the end of my vacation. I mean why in the world would I want to go on a vacation where I can't worry about being in debt when I'm done. Where's the fun in that.

I'm glad the cruise lines have instituted this policy of no frills cruising. If not, I never would have met Billy Bob and his burping brothers.

And I just hate having people wait on me without having their hands out at every moment.

You people just don't know how to have fun!

 
Jan 9th, 2003, 02:59 PM
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Paul is stupid by trying to say that upscale lines are not really worth it in regards to the hassle of nickle and dimning you to death. I sailed on Silversea twice. I paid the cruise in advance. I ate and drank top food and liquor like a pig, well not quite, and had a zero bill when I left. Paul must sell cheap cruiseline closets to his customers and is scared people will go to the better lines and not be harassed anymore.
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 03:25 PM
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Do you think that all the mass market cruise lines just "decided" to nickel and dime everyone, or perhaps they may have done a bit of market research first? Could it be that they are delivering to the American public exactly what that public told them they want to have?

Almost every mass market ship that nickel and dimes you is fully booked for months in advance. The higher end "all-inclusive" ships are lucky to get 50% occupancy these days. Silver Sea Cruises(fantastic ships)had to tie up some of their ships for a few months last year. Nobody was willing to pay the all-inclusive fares. Most "Premium" cruise ships are struggling these days - not to make a profit, but just to break even. Carnival Cruise Line is easily the most successful cruise line company in modern cruising history. Do you see them building any "high-end, all-inclusive" ships these days? Are they just plain stupid to miss this opportunity? It seems unlikely.

Lynn, you ask if you are the only one who would rather pay more. I'm sure that you are not. But the great majority of the unwashed masses who are now cruising do not want to pay the full fare and would rather be nickeled and dimed, paying as they go. The cruise liines are struggling to fill all their mega-ships every week. They have no choice in the matter. They cannot afford to alienate a single segment of the paying public - especially the biggest segment, the middle class.
Look at the airlines. Why is the First Class section so small and the economy section so large? Did the airlines purposely make the higher profit area so much smaller? Of course not. The market dictates how many seats are needed. Cruise lines are the same way.
Carnival Conquest will always have a higher % occupancy than the Seabourn Legend. The market dictates that.

The Cruise Business is changing, whether we like it or not. Isn't it wonderful that not all the cruise lines are the same? We can CHOOSE to take an all-inclusive cruise at a high price, or we can CHOOSE to be nickeled and dimed at a lower price. No need to complain about it, just make the choice that fits you.
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 06:11 PM
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Then why are all inclusive resorts booked to capacity?
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 06:47 PM
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We waited too long and have been shut out on Radisson cruises twice now! Apparently, others are considering them as an alternative to being fed up with the current mega liners. We want to try booking a premium line (maybe Radisson) in the very least expensive category just to "sample" and see what the differences are. We've sailed approx. 15 cruises. HAL is a good line which seems to be the best within the mega liners, but even so we're ready to try the next step up. Is this what happens when you're 49 turning 50 too soon...guess we need some pampering! I agree, I'd rather cruise less often, pay more per cruise but get more overall satisfaction....quality NOT quantity (and I promise you we're not the Rockefellers!)!!! Good Posting Lynn!
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 07:45 PM
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One thing I find amusing about peoples gripes about the cruise lines is the charging for ice cream.
If you spend thousands (airfare, excursions,drinks, shopping, etc.) on a cruise, I wouldn't worry about a cone of ice cream.
 
Jan 9th, 2003, 10:09 PM
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If you book an upscale vacation you are paying more for extras. High-end extras. If you book an average vacation you are payng more for extras. Some high-end and some small-end. Only because the average vacation companies have to make a profitm due to their dirt-cheap prices. No one is going to get away from it.

The only thing that does get my goat is Princess charging for premium ice-cream and not having some type of complimentary soft ice-cream. Kids eat 3 or 4 comes a day (this is vacation food) therefore a family such as ours with 2 adults and 3 youngsters ends up with a bill of over $300 for the week. This is not chump-change since Princess is a mid-priced company.

Paul
 
Jan 10th, 2003, 05:08 AM
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The ice cream costs could also occur due to kids ordering it then not eating it after all. I have often seen in buffets all you can eat people tend to fill there plates, then it is wasted. Children are famous for doing this. They just enjoy helping themselves to the treat, don't finish what they obtained, then get something completely different. Just an observation. Not defending the cruise ships, but with all the families now cruising it could become a cost factor.
 
Jan 10th, 2003, 07:38 AM
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I was on NCL recently and told there was a charge for espresso or capaccino after dinner. I've only sailed one other ship in my life (Amsterdam) and I didn't incur this charge...but this was 2 years ago so who knows now!
 
Jan 10th, 2003, 10:30 AM
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Kelli, you said it all....

"I'd rather cruise less often, pay more per cruise but get more overall satisfaction....quality NOT quantity"
 

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