St John Experts :)
 

Hello everyone,

I would love your opinion on St. John. I was set on Turks and Caicos; then I thought about Anguilla or Antigua and after hearing opinions, I don't think those islands are the match for my husband and I. After getting many more opinions, someone mentioned St. John, and after looking at some pics online, I was impressed. Here are some questions I have.

Is there shallow water for off shore snorkeling, like in Turks and Caicos? I am not a strong swimmer and therefore like to snorkel right off of the beach in shallow clear water. I want to stay in a resort that I can snorkel right when I'm there (like Coral Gardens in T&C).

Is the water very clear, so I can see to the bottom?

Is Caneel Bay Resort a luxurious resort?

What is the snorkeling like on Caneel Bay?

Feasibly, what islands could I island hop to (maybe for a nice dinner), if I stayed on St. John?

Would you recommend Virgin Gorda (The Baths) for a quick visit?

What is the scuba diving like? My husband dives.

How is the weather in June?

I know I have asked a ton of questions in a number of posts, but I have learned so much already from you all, and want to make the most educated decision. This may be my last vacation for a while, as I want to start a family soon (I may even be a couple months pregnant by the time of the trip), and don't think I could afford a vacation for a while after that. :)

Thank you in advance for any input you can give. I really appreciate it!:)

If you do a search under "St John" or, better yet, under "Caneel Bay," you are likely to find answers to a number of your questions. Then, if you have more specific questions after you've looked at what's already here, folks will be happy to respond. The weather in June should be fine, by the way. It's the beginning of hurricane season-- but you're way less likely to run into trouble in June than in the 4 months that follow.

Hi Jackie -

The water on STJ is very clear and there is plenty of shallow water snorkling right off Caneel's beaches and many others on the island.

You could probably take a ferry and do dinner on St. Thomas. I'm not sure about the ferry schedules and times for Tortola or some of the other BVI's - might be better to do a day trip and eat lunch off island.

There are plenty of good restaurant options on STJ for dinners, casual and more upscale.

You can do a charter day trip to the Baths. New Horizons II, Stormy Petrel & Limnos are three companies that offer these.

I don't dive and haven't stayed at Caneel Bay so others can offer answers to those questions.

STJ is our favorite island. It's very laid back, non-commercial and has lots of opportunities for snorkling, hiking and enjoying nature. There are great restaurants but less in terms of nightlife and shopping than some other islands in the Caribbean.

I am by no means an expert on the carribean. But I have been to st. johns and loved it. The snorkeling was excellent - with plenty of fish and underwater life. We even saw a few sea turtles and a baracuda (I think). I am not a strong or confident swimmer, but felt comfortable in even the deep water (the fins made it easier to swim and salt water was easy to float in). Dont just go to Trunk Bay though, there are other more secluded spots for snorkeling if you rent a car and drive around the island.
For island hopping...we went to Vigin Gorda - which was beautiful (toured the "baths"), and ther e are many little islands all around. We took a boat tour which was wonderful.
We rented a villa while there, which was private and very relaxing. We ate on our deck many nights. Caneel Bay is very elegant - and expensive! We ate dinner at the fancy restaurant, and it was excellent food. However, in my opinion too fancy-(men had to wear jackets, etc.)

hi jackie, snorkeling and diving around st. john is excellent. you can get to all the bvi's easily and st. thomas. need passport to return to st. j from any bvi.
would recommend the baths for a longer than quick visit. try to go with a tour of some sort so they will show you around and teach you about it. maybe for a couple hours...
weather will be hot! water will feel wonderful for hours of swimming. watch for the annual dust storms that blow over from africa. makes for even flashier sunsets than ususal. but will also make your throat a bit drier so drink more water.
tell your dh to go to www.scubamom.com for bvi diving info. this is The most fun site and has excellent info.
re your snorkel/swim ability. buy yourself a snorkel life vest. it is basically a flattened pouch that you strap on. it has a valve and if you blow into it the pouch inflates slightly and makes you completely bouyant. i use it for resting on long swims or if i need to adjust mask,etc. when you are rested you deflate it and go on. or you can just go with it blown up. does your snorkel have a baffle. if not consider one that does. its a little flap thing that keeps water from going down the top of the breather.

Men do not have to wear jackets at Caneel-- EVER. (Some very few do anyway.) Shorts not allowed at dinner, nor sandals for men, and shirts must have collar. Other than that, it's completely informal. (There's voluminous info on Caneel on these boards. On Trip Advisor also.)

maybe things have changed, but seriously when we were there the restaurant lent all the men in our party jackets. (Also one of the men was wearing shorts and we had to go to the gift shop to buy him a pair of slacks.

As you'll remember, I was recommending Anguilla/St. Barts on your other thread. While I'm by no means an expert on St. John, I have stayed there three times - most recently about 3 months ago for my husband's 30th birthday trip. On our first trip to St. John (our honeymoon), we stayed at Caneel Bay. On our second trip to St. John, we stayed at the Westin. On our most recent trip to St. John, we stayed in a villa. Caneel Bay is perfect for what you are searching. There is fabulous snorkeling right off the beach in shallow clear water. Even when you are in neck deep, you can still see your toes. Caneel Bay is a luxurious resort but in a minimalist way. The rooms are nice but not Ritz Carlton nice - you won't find marble bathrooms or jacuzzi tubs. The real feature of the resort is the 7 beaches (5 of which are very private because they are not accessible by the public through the Caneel Bay resort). Our favorite beach at Caneel Bay is Scott Beach - children under the age of 12 are not allowed, and it's not uncommon to be the only people on the beach at any given time. We stayed in a premium beachfront room on Scott Beach and highly recommend it. It is easy to make day trips to neighboring islands - St. Thomas, Virgin Gorda, Tortola - from St. John. You mentioned island-hopping for a nice dinner, but you should know that St. John has really great restaurants. I can't speak to scuba diving because neither my husband nor myself scuba. Finally, I've never visited St. John in June, but it should be very nice. You won't have the threat of hurricanes, and the weather is pretty consistent year round. The ocean is like bath water, and temperatures are in the 80's. Hope this helps!

hi everyone! thanks so much for your responses.

poss,

i will do a search for caneel bay. i did a search for st john prior to posting, but thought i'd get more specific responses if i made a new post. i will search more tonight. thanks!

tpatricco,

thank you so much for your post. from your post, it sounds just like what we want...non-commercialized, maybe take a hike, and good snorkeling. i really appreciate your info on the island hopping (i.e. the ferry, etc). i may have to extend my trip so that i can hop around a little more. :)

steviegene,

the baths sound wonderful. if i go to st john, i will definitely go there. thank you so much for your post. it provided great info! :) do you think a car rental is needed?

virginia,

you have been such a big help since i started my quest, and i greatly appreciate your time and info. i am going to bookmark the scuba site, so my husband can check it out. i'll also make sure i drink plenty of water; living in arizona, i am used to it. :) thanks for the info on the snorkel life vest and baffle. i definitely need to look into that (esp. the baffle, because i hate when water gets in my snorkel).

hi becca,

thanks for posting again! i really appreciate your detailed information on the island hopping, caneel bay and letting me know that st john has great restaurants. i was hoping caneel bay would be a little more luxurious (i.e. marble bathrooms, jaccuzzi tubs, for the $). i suppose as long as the bathub is nice, that would be be fine. it's hard for me to justify spending that much money and not getting the ritz or four seasons quality. can you tell me the difference between your premium beachfront room and a regular beachfront room? i noticed it's a $100 difference a night, but if it's worth it, i should prob. pay the difference. also, when you say there is 7 beaches, are they all within walking distance?

you guys rock...thank you so much for this info. now i am leaning toward st john with a trip to the baths.

is it expensive to island hop?

Caneel provides complimentary snorkeling flotation from the beach hut for their guests.

While many prefer and love premium beachfront, my preference is beachfront at Hawksnest Beach. (I love the privacy.) Other friends love both beachfront and ocean view at Caneel Beach because of the very calm water and closeness to the main facility. I have met avid fans of beachfront and ocean view at Turtle Bay, and also the Premium Ocean views with a hilltop view and close vacinity to Caneel, Paradise and Scott Beach. Everyone seems to have their own favorite, and all are wonderful. With seven beaches to explore most viitors snorkle at more than one beach rather than stay at the one that is closest.

Should you choose to use Caneel's private ferry (highly recommended), you would have no extra charge unlimited access to Charlotte Amalie and Red Hook at no additional charge. Guest Services could arrange day trips to The Baths and other sites.

Diving: My best dives there was with Low Key Water Sports, Cruz Bay, where we went to a sunken boat,I believe it is named The General Rogers, and some underwater swim in and out caves. Caneel has an in-house dive boat, where the number of divers is less and itis more private. The sites visited with them was not as good as Low Key, but due to differing currents and water conditions, selection is made on a daily basis, and site choices may have been 'the luck of the draw'.

I dont think a car is a MUST have, especially if you are going to stay at Caneel Bay. Caneel is very luxurious, and you might be happy just staying at their beaches. We enjoyed having a car to explore ...we like to feel like we are discovering things (even though we probably arent). St. john is very hilly and with the car we were able to wind up into the mountains for some great views/scenery as well as search out "out-of-the-way" beaches on the less inhabited side of the island.

The beauty of St. John snorkeling is the number of good/excellent sites on a relatively small island. None of the sites require much of a drive or walk once you reach them. If the wind disturbs a site such as North Haulover, you can easily go in just off the road at South Haulover. If the north shore is rough, try Salt Pond or Little Lameshur. There's an endless number of options.

If you elect to stay at Caneel definitely rent a car to see the rest of St. John. It's too beautiful of an island to miss.

Jackie,
You will love St John.Alot of the beaches have calm,bath like water that is very clear and great for snorkeling.We enjoyed the snorkeling on Caneel bay beach..we saw turtles,stingrays,starfish and a ton of fish.

We also liked Trunk Bay (go early..it will not be as crowded),Hawksnest bay,Cinnamon Bay,Francis Bay( great snorkeling around the rocks to the left..looking at the water),Saltpond Bay and Waterlemon Cay.

I am not a strong swimmer either..so my husband and I bought some snorkeling vests so we could go out to deeper water.They were a big help especially when you get tired and want to relax for a minute.

I would suggest buying some before you go because we paid $50 each for ours at Crabby's watersports in Coral Bay on St John.You can find them at your local dive shop.

I also think that you would love Caneel Bay Resort..we did not stay there but did go to one of their beaches and the resort is very nice.

Good luck!

Christie :)

If bathtub is impt to you, be sure to check abt Caneel. None of the rooms we've been in has a tub (shower only), but I half remember that a few do, e.g. the rooms on Little Caneel beach (those bathrooms are slightly larger). Also: we didn't like either Hawksnest or Turtle Bay rooms because they seemed kind of like "motel" rooms to us-- obviously a rather high grade motel room, but because of the top/bottom configuration, we still felt a little motel-y. We switched to single story accommodations and were happier. I believe, by the way, that that's the differnce between premium and non-premium ocean front. Scott Beach (premium) rooms are not top/bottom and are even more direclty on the beach. Many folks prefer Hawksnest, etc. (It's usually windier there by the way.)
Caneel is absolutely NOT luxurious as far as the rooms/bathrooms go (very nice linens tho). BUT: the grounds and beaches are gorgeous. That's why they're able to charge those rates-- neither the food nor the rooms are terrific (they're not awful, but it's the setting that you're paying for imo.) The snorkeling is first-rate (and probably the easiest place to snorkel we've ever been).

you guys are seriously awesome! thanks you so much! :)

Dianebridles,

thank you for the info on all of the different beaches. i can't believe there are that many beaches for one resort! that is very interesting. but, being that they are small and private beaches, it makes sense. also, thanks for the info about diving. i will let my husband know. what are Charlotte Amalie and Red Hook?

steviegene,

thanks for your opinoin about renting a car. it might be a neat idea for us to rent a car for a day to explore. :)

RobertoB,

thanks for your post. it's good to know that there are so many good snorkeling spots! i'll have to check those out.

hi christie,

the water you desrcibe in st. john sounds just like what i prefer. thanks for the info on the snorkeling sites, especially the francis bay location. also, i am going to look at buying those snorkeling vests. i don't realy like deep water because of the lack of control (can't "run" away) and what swims in deep water (like sharks).

hi poss,

i will definitely look into the bathtub issue at caneel. it amazes me that nice resorts don't all have bathtubs. i really appreciate your descriptions of the rooms. i, too, don't like motel-like rooms in a two-story set-up, so that is good to know about the premium vs. standard set-up. are the premium beachfront rooms attached to each other? scott beach sounds really nice. :) i wish the bathrooms were more luxurious at caneel. that seems to be common in some of the caribbean resorts...nice beaches but not really nice bathrooms. i apprecaite your post!

thanks, again, to everyone! keep the ideas coming. :) i am learning so much.

I've been to St. John a number of times, and just stayed at Caneel Bay for the first time on my last trip. I agree, it's not a luxurious resort, exactly, but it's very nice, if you're visiting for sun, sand, snorkeling, and other nature-related activities. On the other hand, if you're looking for nightlife, or beaches packed with interesting people to look at and happening beachside bars, the whole island is a poor fit for you.

If you do stay at Caneel, I agree with the recommendation of the single-story beachfront rooms on Scott Beach or Caneel Beach. Much less hotel-y. My room was on Caneel Beach (sand coming right up to our steps!) The setting was beautiful, but I'll remember next time that Caneel Beach is the one where children and non-Caneel-guest visitors are allowed. During the day, there was some racket from little kids, and the small beach got rather full of the visitors, many of whom illegally used the beach chairs that we had paid for. A few of them tended to leave garbage strewn on the beach (yuck!) It wasn't a big deal since we were out and about most days, and everyone was gone by the time we returned. But it's something to think about if you're deciding between a Caneel Beach room and a more-expensive Scott Beach room, and you think you won't be in the mood for heading to other beaches during the day.

Also, if you're staying at Caneel Bay, consider bringing a clock. I love the policy of having no TVs in the rooms, and the lack of a phone was no big problem, as I had my cellphone. But I often wished I had a clock. Particularly as they're so strict about the hours at which breakfast and lunch stop being served.

The Caneel Bay "dress code" is spelled out in the little welcoming brochure. There's no dress code during the day. For dinner, men are supposed to wear long pants and real shoes. During the winter, it's a little more formal. I think men wre supposed to wear long-sleeved shirts, but I don't think jackets were required. This seemed very weird to me, as long pants aren't required anywhere else on St. John (well, maybe at the Westin somewhere, I guess). I can't remember the dress code for sure because there are lots of restaurants that I like a lot on St. John, and it seemed like a mistake to be having dinner in Caneel Bay. Just to try it out, we did dine one night at the Equator Room (in Caneel). It was, indeed, a big mistake. A nice dining space, certainly, but the food was awful and overpriced. Definitely have dinner somewhere off-campus. Even if you don't have a car, you can easily take a taxi somewhere, and there's pretty good food to be had.

I love snorkeling, and I'm also not the greatest swimmer. That will pos eno problem, at the Caneel beaches, and also elsewhere on the island. More specific beach recommendations can follow, if necessary.

I've never used a snorkel vest -- I wear a wet suit top. Not only does it increase your buoyancy a little bit, but it keeps the sun off of your back and arms, and it keeps you from getting cold. These two factors are important when you're out for a long time.

Don't worry about the weather in June.

I agree with the recommendation that you should rent a car. St. John has lots of wonderful places to see. If you stay at Caneel, they can set up a rental that you pick up and drop off right there at the resort.

I've never had much of an urge to hop to the other nearby islands. St. Thomas, which I have to pass through on my way to St. John every time, has no appeal to me whatsoever. We once boated over to the Baths at Virgin Gorda, and I have to say I was quite disappointed. An interesting thing to see, yes, but it was extremely crowded, even in June when I visited, and definitely not worth the trip unless you happen to be boating around in the neighborhood.

The beaches are great east of Caneel Bay. On that side of the island you have a lot of very famous white sand beaches. Most are untouched thanks to the National Park.

Here is a aerial map that shows the coves and beaches.
www.cccarto.com/wmaps/virginis/index.html

Yup, the North Coast beaches near Caneel Bay (including the ones on the hotel's property) are the pretty, white-sand ones. The South Coast beaches are generally rocky, harder to get to from the area near Caneel, and more deserted. As someone alluded to, the water at the North Coast beaches can get a little churned up and less than ideal for snorkeling, particularly in the winter. And the alternative South Coast beaches mentioned, South Haulover and Salt Pond Bay, are relatively remote if you're staying at Caneel. It could take you the better part of an hour to drive over there. But these are fine points. Some of the North Shore beaches, notably Francis Bay and especially Maho Bay, are sheltered enough to be pretty clear in just about any conditions.

hi medhead,

thank you so much for your detailed post. also, thanks for the heads up about the food at caneel. i think scott beach is for me, as they kids and people taking the beach chairs (people who are not guests) would annoy me. :) i am not interested in nightlife or any type of bar scene. your descriptions of the beach areas are very helpful. i really appreciate your posts. thank you, again!!!

hi mapper,

thanks so much for that map!

jackiehammond

Charlotte Amalie and Red Hook are towns in St Thomas. Charlotte Amalie is a mecca for shopping and Red Hook is much smaller with a few shops and restaurants. St John and caneel are so beautiful, you may not want to leave it. Cruz bay is on St John, and offers boputique shops and restaurants.

I was at Caneel this past November and they hawe a new executive chef. In my opinion, the food at all restaurants were very good. You can type in my screen name on this site and find a description of each with some of the menu items that I enjoyed. An early complimentary continental breakfast is also offered. It is my understanding that all of the rooms have been refurbished. Scott beach rooms had been completed when I was there,
should you choose to use the Caneel ferry, you can take your luggage from the airport terminal directly to their boot. From there it will be in their competent hands until you find it awaiting you in your room - a great start to your vacation. You will have a great time.
Your return thanks and comments are appreciated by all who take the time to respond.

Alas, all the rooms are attached to each other in one way or another (some both side to side and top to bottom). Scott Beach cottages share a wall, I believe. Also, there's not great privacy since they're right on the beach and folks may stroll across the front on their walks to and from, and one is never completely private on the patio. I've never especially liked Scott for that reason, i.e. would feel as if I needed to keep the drapes closed when we were in the altogether (which we often are in the Caribbean!) We much prefer the rooms at Little Caneel and Cottage Point. But, clearly, these are specific personal preferences, and many many folks prefer other accommodations. Since you'll be going there not in high season, I suspect you'll be able to explore the property and have your choice of room placement. And you'll love the exploring! It's all really very beautiful-- walking from place to place on those extensive grounds.

It's true, the Scott Beach rooms (rooms 67-86) share either one or two walls with another room. And one would need to keep the drapes closed with either of the sets of beachfront rooms. For what it's worth, I think there was a lot more space between the patio and the beach for the Scott Beach rooms, compared to the Caneel Beach rooms, where, as I said, the sand comes right up to your steps. So there'd still be people walking right by your back door at Scott Beach, but not as many. A few people may even wander by if you're at the Cottage Point rooms - there's no beach there, but there are some nice benches where one can sit and enjoy a great view.

As attached to tranquility and privacy as I am, I honestly didn't find the crowds to be a huge problem at Caneel Bay. We did have to keep our drapes closed when sleeping, but most of the people didn't start arriving on the beach until at least 11 AM or so, and we were long gone. On the other hand, we were down at the end of the beach that's farthest from the dock. Things could get much busier over by the dock, with the dining room over there, ferries arriving, people testing out their new windsurfing rigs, etc.

Dianebridles,

thank you so much for the info on the towns in st thomas, as well as cruz bay in st john. the caneel ferry sounds nice, that they bring your bags to your room. i was also pleased to read in your post that the rooms have been refurbished and there is a new chef. that is realy good to know. i very much prefer updated rooms. i will be sure to post a long, detailed description of my trip. i hope to book it by next weekend (waiting for a house to close escrow so i can afford it!). :) i hope that i am able to get a good room and flight choice, since i want to go around memorial day (my 30th is on may 25th, but i am a teacher and that is the last day of school), or the first week in june would be my next choice.

hi poss,
i will definitely look into Little Caneel and Cottage Point. i wish caneel bay resort's website had virtual tours of all their rooms, and their respective beaches. however, your descriptions have greatly helped me! if it wasn't for this message board, i would be seriously clueless! :)

hi medhead,

i am glad to hear that caneel bay did not pose a problem for you with the "crowds." i will try and book away from the dock area (that makes sense that people will be leaving and coming often, hence there will be some crowds). i really feel like it will be a good fit for me. i am going to re-read all of these posts and take notes so i can look at all of it summarized in front of me. you are all an incredible help!!! :)

on another note, i did a search for flight to st john/st thomas for info. can anyone tell me which airline is the most convenient/less stops/cheapest airfare from phoenix, az? i think i may have to fly america west in order to get to miami or dallas, right? stopover in san juan? two different airline carriers may be the cheapest bet/less stops. when i was looking at turks and caicos, i noticed that i would have to spend the night in miami on the way there. would that be the case for this st john trip? am i looking at a 12 hour flight day?

thanks so much! :)

great advice on this thread; also chiming in on a few things that we've enjoyed:

I would also promote rental car, if even for a day to drive around island - more if you want.

One day trip we have done several times from St J and St T is hiring a boat and captain for a day (there are many available, your resort can arrange or you can - we have used 4 times now NautiNymph - while their website is www.st-thomas.com/nautinymph they have boats on St J's or will come and get you - either way, if you go with them or someone else, here is what we have done.

leave early am (say 8ish) and go 'island hopping' for a day - to the Baths at Virgin Gorda, which I did personally enjoy - we have done that two ways; one having the captain anchor off the beach and we swam in (we have 3 exc swimmers and one reluctant and marginal swimmer who swam in using vest and paddle board) - another time we docked at marina, lunched, walked thru shops and then made our way over by land to the Baths. Then out to Indians for snorkeling (which is fabulous) and again, he was very close to Indians which the comfortable swimmers/snorkelers love and our reluctant swimmer swam very close around boat a bit to see a few things while captain kept a keen eye on her and she spent rest of time enjoying sun and learning a lot about the area from our captain while enjoying cheese and crackers :) (pack some goodies) on board.

To Norman Island, Willie T's, the adventurous snorkelers went into some caves at Norman Island to explore while 2 of us hung on boat and enjoyed views. Docked at different times at JostvanDyke or Tortolla and lunched, also on side w/ newer "foxy's" they take you on a nice leisurely hike to a 'hidden gem' of a tiny inlet to take a dip in (very shallow) where the waves come crashing in and it's as if you are in your own whirlpool....and some general nice boating in and around the islands as he told us the history behind all of them, (past ownership, trading, etc) and a nice cruise around St J's to see it from that side of things. Day ususally ends around 5-6. A lovely way to get a feel for the entire area. You will need your passport if you do this going between USVI and BVI's but captains takes care of all that entry/exit stuff. You also have option of packing goodies and even your lunch for picnic on board, but we enjoy docking and eating elsewhere. Capt has fresh water shower rinse on board which is nice. Basically they will do what you want and have great suggestions.

You can run boats yourself, but if you are not adept at that and dont' want to read charts while cruisin' this is a great option for a special day outing, for us anyway, no matter which island we stay on.

I wouldn't bother going off St J's for any meals, no need. too many exc restaurants to choose from for lunch or dinner.

You may also enjoy trying "snuba" where you walk on ocean floor wearing a 'helmet' that is open on the bottom and breathing tube to top - very comfortable feeling and our reluctant swimmer enjoyed this as she will definitely never scuba - nice way to get a feel for actually 'walking on ocean floor' - we've only done the one in St T but someone recently told me this is attention this is available on St J.

great advice on this thread; also chiming in on a few things that we've enjoyed:

I would also promote rental car, if even for a day to drive around island - more if you want.

One day trip we have done several times from St J and St T is hiring a boat and captain for a day (there are many available, your resort can arrange or you can - we have used 4 times now NautiNymph - while their website is www.st-thomas.com/nautinymph they have boats on St J's or will come and get you - either way, if you go with them or someone else, here is what we have done.

leave early am (say 8ish) and go 'island hopping' for a day - to the Baths at Virgin Gorda, which I did personally enjoy - we have done that two ways; one having the captain anchor off the beach and we swam in (we have 3 exc swimmers and one reluctant and marginal swimmer who swam in using vest and paddle board) - another time we docked at marina, lunched, walked thru shops and then made our way over by land to the Baths. Then out to Indians for snorkeling (which is fabulous) and again, he was very close to Indians which the comfortable swimmers/snorkelers love and our reluctant swimmer swam very close around boat a bit to see a few things while captain kept a keen eye on her and she spent rest of time enjoying sun and learning a lot about the area from our captain while enjoying cheese and crackers :) (pack some goodies) on board.

To Norman Island, Willie T's, the adventurous snorkelers went into some caves at Norman Island to explore while 2 of us hung on boat and enjoyed views. Docked at different times at JostvanDyke or Tortolla and lunched, also on side w/ newer "foxy's" they take you on a nice leisurely hike to a 'hidden gem' of a tiny inlet to take a dip in (very shallow) where the waves come crashing in and it's as if you are in your own whirlpool....and some general nice boating in and around the islands as he told us the history behind all of them, (past ownership, trading, etc) and a nice cruise around St J's to see it from that side of things.

Day ususally ends around 5-6. A lovely way to get a feel for the entire area. You will need your passport if you do this going between USVI and BVI's but captains takes care of all that entry/exit stuff. You also have option of packing goodies and even your lunch for picnic on board, but we enjoy docking and eating elsewhere. Capt has fresh water shower rinse on board which is nice. Basically they will do what you want and have great suggestions.

You can run boats yourself, but if you are not adept at that and dont' want to read charts while cruisin' this is a great option for a special day outing, for us anyway, no matter which island we stay on.

I wouldn't bother going off St J's for any meals, no need. too many exc restaurants to choose from for lunch or dinner.

You may also enjoy trying "snuba" where you walk on ocean floor wearing a 'helmet' that is open on the bottom and breathing tube to top - very comfortable feeling and our reluctant swimmer enjoyed this as she will definitely never scuba - nice way to get a feel for actually 'walking on ocean floor' - we've only done the one in St T but someone recently told me this is also available on St J.

you can also ferry to St T if the shopping is something you want to do - we have done it when staying on St T but I couldn't give up a day on St J's to do it personally b/c I'd rather hike, swim, etc and shop (when I have to :) at home....

enjoy

jackiehammond
Since I fly from St. Louis, I fly either Delta or US Air. it is a short flight to Atlanta or Charlotte and direct from there to St. Thomas You may wish to check Orbitz to help you determine which airline is best for you in terms of price and arrival time. Earliest arrival means more daylight hours your first day.)
When you make your reservation, request your choice,(all that you are considering are nice0. They will probably say that they will try. but will not guarantee your room choice. About a week or two before your arrival, call again to say that you would be most appreciative if you would be able to get your requested choice. They are very nice, and will try to help you. I find that friendly person to person communication goes a long way. I have been there at the times that you are planning your stay, and the weather was wonderful. My sister feel that it is the best time to see their flowering plants. No matter when or what room, it is a very special piece of paradise.

hi escargot,

i agree...there has been GREAT advice on this thread! fodorites are the BEST. your advice is excellent, as well. renting a boat for a day sounds very interesting! my husband and i are very fast when we travel places. we went to 5 countries in 10 days in europe (on the eurorail), and felt that 4 days in hawaii was more than enough. because of how we like to see a lot fast, how many islands do you think we can visit on our own boat, in one day? we want to go to the baths at virgin gorda, and it would be neat to discover a couple of other islands (maybe tortola?). i would like to be able to see something special on each island i can. i guess we're more into that than exploring in detail the island we are staying on. exploring the island we are staying on is great, so we'll rent a car for a day to do that (we won't need longer than that, since we are "fast"). for example, when we went to paris, we got to the eiffel tower, stayed for about 5-10 minutes, and then left...and we were fulfilled.
i really appreciate your detail on the boat chartering. i can swim in pools just fine, but i am insecure about what is in the ocean...not having that control to stand up at any time bothers me, so i'd probably prefer for the captain to dock. your day on the boat sounded awesome. i definitely will look into it. your captain sounded very nice, as well. that "whirlpool" spot (on tortola?)really sounds lovely. do you remember your captain's name? although it would be fun to take the boat out on our own, i think for the extra $115 (i chekced the rates on the website) to get a captain for a day, would definitely be worth it. i also think that there is not really a need for us to go to st thomas, since we'll see it on the plane stop. thank you so much for your post! :)

Dianebridles,

thanks for responding again. i will check out orbitz, as well as delta and us air. i'm glad your sister says june is a great time of year to go. a big thanks for letting me know that i should call and request the room, but then check on it a week or two before i go. i, too, agree that kindness goes a long way. so, i hope that they will be able to accommodate my choice. thank you, again! :)

Ypu've already received so much great information about one of my favorite islands and resorts. We've been going to Caneel for years and it's a great place to stay (as long as you're not expecting Ritz-style accomodations). You might want to consider booking your stay through Virtuoso. In doing it this way, you'll get the same rates as Caneel posts, plus a free cold buffet breakfast (in the dining room)every day and an upgraded room if one is available. We did this for the first time last year and while we didn't want the room upgrade (that's another long story) it was great having the breakfast. The free continental breakfast is nice, but is only served until 9 am (I think) and that's too early for us when we're on vacation. As of December, all the rooms had not been refurnished and we're looking forward to seeing what happened when we're back later this year. If you go to Caneel, afternoon tea and the manager's cocktail parties are two of the very few free things and are very nice! Have fun!

jackiehammond: the guy we have used is Thomas, but if he is not available their guys are all great. The last we had eveyrone in the family has a block on his name - but his card is somewhere I'll look - but he also had been in the islands for many years doing charters and was very knowledgeable.

On our day w/ Nautinymph we did the following, for example, last time from St.John -
Norman Island, the caves, the Indians, Jos Van Dyke (where the hike to the 'whirlpool' spot is - the Baths - and cruised around other islands along the shore and learned some history - we docked at Virgin Gorda and Jos Van Dyke. They will do what you want. I will say, altho knowing you like pools, they are very good about where they take you if you want to swim/snorkel depending on your ability.
We have some excellent swimmers in our family and one very reluctant 24 yr old and an average at best 'father' swimmer: they were very comfortable with where he took us - we chose one time to anchor and swim into the Baths and they used preservers and float rings as well as flippers and were quite comfortable - also if he anchors near the Indians, where the snorkeling is lovely - the reluctant ones stayed right around the boat, which has a ladder and shower, and were very comfortable also. But again, he will do what you want. One stayed on the boat at one point, relaxing and talking while the other three swam around the caves, etc so he will mix it up however you want.

You can also snorkel close to the beach and shore where you may feel safer - or when you do that on your own, bring a float ring if it makes you feel calmer. The waters are tame there, it isn't as if some enormous wave will suddenly throw you off - so it makes for some serene snorkeling and I think you will feel ccomfortable.

NS07950,

thank you so much for your post. if i end up going to caneel (which i think is looking like the most desirable) i will definitely do the afternoon tea (it's nice to have something free!). i will also lok into virtuoso for booking. is there a website for them? thanks, again. :)

hi again escargot,

thanks for your post. i think the baths are a must. the boulder rock formations look amazing. my husband found some better snorkels than the ones we have now in the herrington catalog, and i think they were only $24.95 each. i hate when water gets in the snorkel! thanks so much for the info on thomas! he sounds great! :)

We spent our honeymoon at Caneel Bay and I wanted to chip in a few things that you won't find on the website. Bathtub: Even though there is only a shower, the bathroom is tiled and has louvred windows so you can hear the birds chirping and feel like you are in an exotic rainforest when showering. We had an oceanview room with a private porch and a great view of the sailboat traffic between St. John and St. Thomas. The perfect setting for a romantic happy hr! Even though the rooms don't have refrigerators, Caneel will lend you and ice chest for free and refill the ice daily so if you want to keep some snacky things in the room, you can keep them chilled. There is a herd of donkey's that roam the island and it is very common to pass a few as you walk to the beaches. They are very docile though but it's neat to see them roaming around and it accentuates the natural aspects of the resort. Also there is a 'trolley' that makes the rounds around the grounds every few minutes so you can always catch a ride to any of the 7 beaches or restaurants. And speaking of the restaurants, they were all very good. I believe that Turtle Bay is the only one that requires jackets for men. The Equator is much more casual and is open to the Caribean breezes with a great view of the ocean and sailboats. Highly recommend! And finally, consider getting 'take out' from any of the restaurants one evening and taking a picnic down to a beach to watch the sunset. Very romantic and an experience you will never forget! Our experience at Caneel couldn't have been any more perfect! Best of luck to you in planning your trip.

hi Loblolly,

i really appreciate your details about caneel. the shower sounds very nice! which beach did you stay on? scott beach? thanks, again for your great input! :)

you might find this post interesting, poster just returned from caneel

http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...p;tid=34766244

An amazing thread here... lots of useful info... A couple of more items, anyone?

Dinner: Had a great romantic and excellent dinner at restaurant in gallows point. We ate early and watched the sunset -- it was, however, kind of hot... but one of the best dinners on St. John
(ZoZo’s Ristorante -- we each had fish and thought each was better than the other!)

Car Rental: St. John is amazing -- rent a car and drive around -- at least for a day or two. Maybe a bit harrowing at first glance but definitely fun and worth it. Check out cruz bay (skinny legs), national park trails and other beaches along north shore. See: http://stjohnbeachguide.com/

Diving: We have dove General Rodgers before -- kind of a snoozer. Wouldn't recommend it. BF dove with Low Key and went to RMS Rhone -- BVI -- need passport to clear customs. This is an all day affair but BF is still bragging every chance he gets. (I didn't go... won't do wreck penetration dives...) Did you see the movie The Deep? That is the dive site...

We've dove a lot of places (Gr Cayman, Belize, Cozumel, Cancun, Saba, St. Martin, St. Thomas, Tortola, Jost Van Dyke, St. John.....) and the diving in the USVI is a bit under par -- relatively speaking. Better is the diving in BVI -- which would require transport (ferry?) to Tortola.

We dove in Feb w/Blue Water divers -- but we were also staying on Tortola and loved it. We had a great couple of dives off peter isl and norman isl. (BVI)

With that said, because divers need to dive and when in rome.... we've dove with (and like very much) Chris Sawyer Diving out of Red Hook. With your free shuttle from Caneel to Red Hook this may be very do-able. We like diving with Larry and have done so on repeat visits. Chris Sawyer also has nitrox -- which is few and far between in US / BVI.

Diving Long story short : low key on ST.J -- OK - RMS Rhone excellent. Better - Chris Sawyer Red Hook STT. Better yet Blue Water Tortola.

Day Trip: On our first trip to STT / STJ we took took New Horizons day trip. This was perfect -- Baths Virgin Gorda, Snorkeling and Jost Van Dyke. Lots of fun - highly recommend - very convenient and easy.

STT -- 2nd best island dinner yet was at Craig and Sally's in Frenchtown. That may be a bit complicated (ferry's and taxi's etc., but it was truly amazing. Reservations are necessary.)

Also -- no one mentioned shopping in STT. Great deals on high end watches and if you shop carefully, deals are to be had on jewelry.

enjoy....

hello again escargot,

thanks for the link! i enjoyed that post and posted on that thread, as well!

hi gidget!

AWESOME info in your post. i bookmarked the stj beach guide webpage and will be printing out all of these posts to take notes/put in a spreadsheet...i like to be in the know and organized. :) the info you provided on diving is excellent. how long would you say my husband would be out diving for a one tank dive? whenever he has dove in the past, he is usually gone for a half a day, and since we are only going for 4-5 nights, we lose that time (i hear you lose a day there and back? i guess because we'd have to leave the island so early and get there so late). well, thanks so much for your post. i really appreciate it! :)