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BEWARE - Enteric Fever (Group C2 S. Salmonella - Newport strain) when in Jamaica

BEWARE - Enteric Fever (Group C2 S. Salmonella - Newport strain) when in Jamaica

Sep 3rd, 2002, 04:38 AM
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On our last trip to the Caribbean, we rented a condo and cooked almost all of our own meals. Ate what we wanted, when we wanted, and saved a bunch of money. Guess it was safer that way, too!

I've gotten food poisoning at upscale hotels/restaurants in Denver, Santa Fe, and Washington DC. Never in the Carib. Go figure.

 
Sep 3rd, 2002, 06:16 AM
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As a physician, I've never ever heard Salmonella referred to as "shit and mouth disease". I'm suspicious of the motives of some of the posters.
Anon is correct in saying that it does not take much to comtaminate food. All that needs to happen is someone not to wash there hands thoroughly after using the bathroom and then to have contact with food prep. If the food is kept for a period of time at warm but not hot temperatures the bacteria mulitplies very rapidly. There does not need to be a large quantity of feces in the food to make one sick.
 
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:02 AM
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Imagine the poor Jamaican tourist who comes to the US on vacation and gets mugged in Times Square in New York, has to step over drunk homeless people lying in their own waste in the subway station in Philadelphia, and then, while staying in a condo at an expensive, exclusive resort, doing their own cooking, they make hamburgers with 3 pounds of that ground beef that was recalled recently because of the e.coli found to be present because of unsanitary practices in the meat packing plant.
Then that night they watch Fox network and see people spitting in the soup as it's being prepared at a restaurant, watch food dropped on the floor being picked up, wiped briefly with a hand that's been who-knows-where and served to unsuspecting customers, and watch someone urinate in the coffee pot before serving the coffee.
They get sick nearly to death, limp home to Mandeville, and tell everyone what happened, and their friends tell them that they should have gone to Aruba instead of the US to avoid being robbed, seeing poverty or eating bad food.
 
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:21 AM
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Funny, my brother in law is a doctor who has travelled and worked all over the world including Nepal and India where he contracted typhoid. He has no hesitation about referring to the disease as "s**t and mouth disease". Maybe it depends on whether or not you are well acquainted/related to the doctor as to how it is referred. I would suspect that perhaps there was a closer relationship between the doctor and the patient.
 
Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:07 PM
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Sep 3rd, 2002, 12:24 PM
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Anne ("as a physician") sounds wierdly like another recent poster who wrote "as a marine biologist." You are who you wanna be on the internet, I guess. Or perhaps she's both! What an interesting combination.
 
Sep 3rd, 2002, 01:06 PM
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Way to go mouse. I like your response. We have been to Sandals in Jamaica many times and have never had a problem. Sounds like they smoked some bad Ganja and can not tell mom what they really did, or maybe Air Canada food is no good.
 
Sep 3rd, 2002, 07:38 PM
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I would have to say that I resent your comment. Maybe they smoked some bad Ganji. For your information they are both teachers and have never touched the drugs in Jamaica or any where else.This was simply two people who wanted to go somewhere where they would feel safe and could relax on their honeymoon. Why dont you open your eyes to the real issue here. I could have lost my husband and the only smart thing you have to say is maybe they forgot to tell mom they smoked to much Ganji. I suggest you educate yourself on the real issue before you insult us and the people that are looking out for travellers. It was only a warning not a personal insult to you.
 
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:05 AM
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One doesn't usually survive a temp of 110F.
 
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:23 AM
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Anon is correct. A body temp of 110 degrees is incompatible with life.
 
Sep 4th, 2002, 04:51 AM
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Anyone else think that Anne and Anon are the same person and neither is a physician? (Marie busted ya too.)
It's almost as bad as Kim pretending to be a veterinarian and defending the dolphin swim programs. Everyone knows she's a cleaning lady at a travel agency.
 
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:21 AM
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all a bunch of BS and now basis in fact...get a life you losers.
 
Sep 4th, 2002, 05:29 AM
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I agree. Anon or who ever. Why dont you call a doctor and get your facts straight. It is called Thypoid fever for a reason.
and for all you sandals lovers when you are in a hospital bed you might reconsider.
 
Sep 10th, 2002, 10:11 AM
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Sep 10th, 2002, 10:47 AM
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As much as this case is unfortunate, it is unfair to blame it on Jamaica. Getting sick, no matter how careful or pre-medicated one is, is a risk of travelling. I'm gotten sick from eating
at some quite tony places from Rio to Paris, Istanbul to St.Pete (and sickest of all in the DR and Aruba,two real cesspools of countries) == but oddly, never once in 20 years of Jamaica.
 
Sep 10th, 2002, 11:44 AM
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Unfair to blame it on Jamaica?

That is pretty silly since the disease was contracted in Jamaica. So ofcourse the warning was about Jamaica.

I also have gotten sick in various places but not with something like this.

This is a fair warning. It is obvious that right now there could be a problem in Jamaica. And also, perhaps there is a problem with some resorts there.

I did some searching on this disease and evidently, it can be contracted/passed on by people who handle certain types of lizards/etc. as well as from fecal matter in food supplies/similar to e.coli.

These animals carry the disease and it can be passed on through them into the food chain simply by an owner petting them and then not washing carefully. So, all it means is that perhaps someone working in a resort, has a pet that has the bacteria. How many times have you visited a tropical climate and seen people with Iguanas on their shoulders as pets. Iguanas carry this disease. Also, if you visit the travel health sites, you will see that this is not an uncommon disease in the poorer areas of Jamaica, but, it was not necessarily a problem in the resorts. Obviously, now it may be.

But, it also means that those who are working in resorts may not be practicing basic health and cleanliness.

 
Sep 10th, 2002, 12:51 PM
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Anne, are you a doctor?

43C converts to 109.4F. An extremely high temperature and obviously a very serious illness but it is not "incompatible with life".

The person who had this temp (and I know him) did indeed have a temp of 43C. It was not a continuous temp of 43C but it did peak at that.

Scary but with the proper medical treatment and, since it was not a prolonged temp, it did happen. In fact though, why are you all so sceptical?

No one here has done anything more than warn of the symptoms of a very serious illness. And instead of being grateful, you are nasty and actually pretty mean. Really, why am I surprised? And why did the OP even try to warn you? To those of you who responded kindly and with thought, thanks. To the rest of you, good luck, you will need it.

Hopefully, none of you who are so nasty will ever get sick and try to help others to avoid such illness. Shame on you for being so sceptical.
 
Sep 10th, 2002, 03:03 PM
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Why are people still inquiring about this island? This is obviously not BS, and yet people still are taking a chance. Can someone who is still going to Jamaica after reading these threads explain this?
 
Sep 10th, 2002, 03:57 PM
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Amazed, I suggest you get out of the united states because the west nile is going around and you may get it...hee-hee...

Get with it...There is bacteria everywhere...
 
Sep 10th, 2002, 05:32 PM
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An internal body temp of over 106 degrees is dangerous. 109 degrees is virtually unheard of and the individual who had suffered from such a fever would almost invariably sustain brain damage.
I doubt very much that this individual truly had a body temp of 109.
The unfortunate thing is that the exaggeration fuels peoples skepticism. Salmonella can be extremely serious and fatal and should be taken seriously. Please don't make wild claims that can so easily be dismissed.
 

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