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roger Jan 3rd, 2001 01:31 PM

Attack At Church?
I just read in the new york newsday newspaper <BR>about the attack and murder in the church . <BR>I can't believe this. Right in the center of town. This is not going to be my next vacation. I called my travel agent and cancelled our trip.

Laura Jan 3rd, 2001 02:05 PM

I went to St. Lucia last March and stayed at the flawless Jalousie Hilton Resort & Spa. The recent church attack there was atrocious, but if you ever do decide to go back, this is a very safe, beautiful place.

Gail Jan 3rd, 2001 03:14 PM

Roger, <BR> I don't know where you live, but people are murdered everyday and just about every city. Don't let this incident ruin your vacation. <BR> There is no true safe place. Just live and enjoy!

Parrot Mom Jan 3rd, 2001 04:37 PM

The killing was in Taxco and the young man is the son of a very prominent Greek official..and the young man was to receive his degree in February...

Louis Jan 3rd, 2001 05:00 PM

Roger: <BR> <BR>What is your point. You can go anywhere your choose. The New York Newsday newspaper? Never heard of it. Perhaps I am lucky.

Beth Jan 4th, 2001 11:03 AM

There was a murder just last week in an office just outside of Boston. There are murders everywhere. I'm not saying that's okay... but we can't live our lives worried about it. <BR> <BR>Should those employees not go back to work?

mary Jan 4th, 2001 11:09 AM

That's too bad Roger. I just got back last month and can't wait to return. The island is wonderful and so are the people. Never once did I feel threatened and we did our share of exploring.

Gwen Jan 4th, 2001 12:02 PM

How sad Roger that would so harshly judge a country on this incident. Murders happen unfortunatly everywhere. It is a beautiful island with very nice people and is quite safe. If you find your Nirvana where nothing bad ever happens and everyone is happy and has money, let me know.........

Linda B. Jan 4th, 2001 12:11 PM

Roger better to err on the side of safety, than become a statistic. Go to Tahati. It is wonderful, and crime free.

Marie Jan 4th, 2001 12:22 PM

We were in St. Lucia in July & it is the most beautiful place we have yet (and we go to a different island every summer). We felt VERY safe and stayed at both ends of the island. If I lived elsewhere & read about the "crime" in the U.S., I probably would never come here!

Mark Jan 4th, 2001 12:55 PM

Much ado over nothing. We found St Lucians to be very friendly to the <BR>tourist crowd. I thing there troubles <BR>shouldn't affect the average tourist.

Debbie Jan 4th, 2001 05:49 PM

Cancelling your trip to St. Lucia because of an isolated incident where a local group attacked Catholic church goers on New Year's resulting in the death of a 72 year old nun, is about the stupidest most knee-jerk reaction I have ever heard of in my several years of posting to this board. <BR>Yes, it was an extremely tragic incident but it was an isolated and unfortunate incident and was not aimed at tourists. <BR>This is not an island where the locals go around murdering tourists. You have a much bigger chance of shitting your little scaredy-cat pants from the adventurous drive from the airport to your hotel than of being murdered in a church in St. Lucia.

Eileen Jan 5th, 2001 05:11 AM

A few years ago we had planned a trip to the Acapulco Princess/Pierre Marques Resort. Then we hear that the manager of the Acapulco Princess was kidnapped by bandits and a security guard was killed in the process (the manager was later released unharmed). Well, our plans were set so we went anyway and had an absolutely wonderful time, always felt safe, all the people were great. My point? These things happen and are usually isolated incidents but sometimes get blown out of proportion because they are tourist destinations. Riots/political uprisings I would avoid but I wouldn't change my plans because of other crimes. Most islands are safer than home.

Parrot Mom Jan 5th, 2001 09:28 AM

First the murder at the church was in Taxco, Mexico.. there has been a female travel reporter missing in Jamaica, there was a horrendous slaughter of seven innocent people at Harvard Mills in Mass....but if your going to stop going..well, then..just lock your doors, put a security system in and don't go anywhere.. Oh yes...there was a mysterious death of a woman in Aruba (her husband is a suspect)...

Debbie Jan 5th, 2001 06:24 PM

Parrot Mom - I don't disagree with what you are saying but there must have been another incident in Taxaco similar to the one in St. Lucia. There was an article in our newspaper on New Year's day and it specifically described a church in Castries St. Lucia and it was a nun who was murdered. Apparently the rebel group who was supposedly behind this happening denied that it was their people involved in this unfortunate incident.

Cherche' Jan 5th, 2001 08:55 PM

<BR>Don't be silly, Linda B., Tahiti has crime too. Just because you didn't witness or experience it doesn't mean it's nonexistent. There is much political unrest of late in Tahiti & Fiji too for that matter. I'd be more uncomfortable vacationing in an angry island nation. <BR> <BR>I hadn't heard of the murder & as sad as it is, it was apparently not aimed at tourists. If you had been on St. Lucia, chances are you would have been at the beach or sipping your morning java at the Jalousie, not at church. I'm betting that you'd spend zero time in residential areas or the places where the locals go. That's where most crimes occur on any island. <BR> <BR>Roger, it's not the fact that you reported the attack on this forum. It's your need to be the town crier. The sky is falling, the sky is falling! LOL! <BR> <BR>Do you realize there are beaucoup thefts, rapes & death by unnatural causes at Disney theme parks, the supposed Happiest Place on Earth? <BR> <BR>Your cryptic post leaves us wondering; just where DO you plan on vacationing? Nirvana??? Shangrila??? Utopia???? <BR> <BR>After you call the psychic hotline to locate a sterile, no-risk destination, please, do be so kind as to post your findings here so that all may benefit from your knowledge. <BR> <BR>(I suspect you were never booked to St. Lucia.)

visitor Jan 6th, 2001 05:13 AM

Crime can happen. This post just reminds us to be aware-ANYWHERE! Some of us can get lulled into a false security, especially on a tropical, small island. It would not stop me from going!

Parrot Mom Jan 6th, 2001 06:09 AM

Then, I gather there were two incidents... a young man who was about to graduate MIT with an advanced degree in February was killed outside a church in Taxco, Mexico while his friend went inside.. Hadn't read about the Nun... You don't seriously think that the tourists bureaus in the Carribean countries are going to acknowledge crime against tourists.. Do you know in St. Thomas that the shops close at 5:00 p.m. promptly because the cruisers are back on the ships and there is such a high crime rate and drug problem...who told me..a shop manager..

Arnie Jan 6th, 2001 07:09 AM

Oh-my-god, there was a murder in the United States yesterday. I'm not going there! Oh-my-god, I AM there! What to do! What to do! <BR>

Mike Jan 7th, 2001 09:12 AM

Arnie <BR> <BR>Your absolutely right with that statement. It just proves how dumb people are sometimes when there is an isolated crime incident. Crime is everywhere. I would of understand the point of view of those avoiding St. Lucia if crime against visitors or amongst locals was an every day thing. <BR>So if a murder happens in your neighbourhood would want to sell your house and live elsewhere? If a murder happens in your town would want to leave town? Give me a break and put your feet on planet earth. Arnie thumbs up I love your post. <BR> <BR> <BR>

sara Jan 7th, 2001 10:49 AM

Why are so many "adults" so juvenile to each other on this forum. If someone is uncomfortable about going somewhere, ANYWHERE, then they should not go, that includes their local grocery store at night if the conditions warrant it. LA Times had a big article on St. Lucia & the reasons behind the escalating crime there & in the Caribbean in general & against tourists. Yes there is crime everywhere but nothing wrong with being informed & careful wherever you go including your own home town. Some people who talk like there is no problem at all just have been lucky enough not to encounter one but they sound like they would like to attack a fellow poster given the chance. I do believe Roger overreacted but so what.

Roger Jan 7th, 2001 06:35 PM

I would like to reply to all you people <BR>that seem to think I am some kind of a nut. <BR> <BR>First to Cherche I most certainly did have a booked date in St. Lucia. I changed it and don't regret it. <BR> <BR>The comment about not being in church but rather sitting at the beach and drinking. Well we do go to church on sunday,not only here but when on vacation as well. <BR> <BR>As to the rest of the comments. You are free to do as you please. But judging from the reactins I would guess none of you would ever tell anyone else of any problems. I did not post the original message to create a panic or get any of you die hard St. Lucis fans panties in a bunch. I use these boards to decide where my family and I will go. How can any of us make an intelligent decision if people in the know choose not to share the bad info as well as the good? <BR> <BR>I hope I havent started something negative that affects these boards. I was just attempting to inform others of what I had found. <BR> <BR>SORRY

Sam Jan 8th, 2001 03:54 AM

<BR>Roger, <BR>I have not been to St. Lucia; an attack at church would not keep me from going, but I also don't think St. Lucia is an island where I'd do much independant exploring. I wouldn't on some of the other islands either. <BR> <BR>Not written in stone of course, but IMHO it's travelers who want to experience "the real island" who usually wind up having problems. You know who I'm talking about. Those who watch too many travel shows & think it's a cinch for the average person to head into the mountains, mingle with the locals on their turf, sleep in unbelievably budget accomodations, etc & come back with wonderful stories to tell. They forget that the stars of Lonely Planet & such shows have full camera crews & a handful of staff & a pocketfull of bills to spread around, not to mention the watchful eye of the government or it's tourist bureau often overseeing their safety & determining how their nation is presented. <BR> <BR>And then there's the starry eyed tourist who thinks the pretty resort pictures are indicative life out and about on the island. And idyllic island like that is usually cost prohibitive for the average vacationer like you and me. <BR> <BR>I don't think you're wrong to cancel if you feel uncomfortable, esp if you're traveling with children. It was probably the way you "announced" you weren't going. If your first post had been as thought out as your 2nd, maybe people wouldn't have been so harsh. <BR> <BR>Best regards, <BR>Sam <BR>

anne Jan 8th, 2001 05:52 AM

Sam-Well said. Roger, I posted a post Murder in St. Lucia, and came under similar rath. I believe travelers should know as much as possible anywhere they go. Street smart is the way to be on any trip. Thanks for your post and everyones thoughts.

Tim Daley Jan 10th, 2001 10:17 AM

I read about this on another board as well. Not having been to St. Lusic, what I have to wonder is does this type of activity spill over into the resort areas - or is the center of town a distance from the resorts?

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