Please help with New Zealand Itinerary

Old Feb 14th, 2006, 08:54 PM
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Please help with New Zealand Itinerary

I've been reading the postings & Travel books and with all that - have finally put our Itinerary together. My husband complains that I tend to try to fit too much in....yet I want to take advantage of our time. Can ya'll help and tell me if I'm stuffing in too many things or advise if I should add here or take out there each day? Our air tickets & rental car is a done deal. In 2 weeks, we fly from Dallas to LA to Auckland arriving EARLY March 3. Pick up car at airport....drop it off March 26 in Christchurch. Fly to Papeete for 2 days-then Moorea for 4 days - then back home.

We are in our early 50's; NOT into museums; love charming towns/cities/architecture, Boats/Water, Mountains/natural beauty...and I love to shop. We both love to hike (6 hrs max a day) BUT a couple of mos. ago I tore the ACL in my knee and am somewhat limited. Hopefully (with physical therapy) I'll be able to walk 1-2 hours at a time. Very few hotels booked til I get some advise. Since Mar is not high season (but close to it) I guess I need to make hotel/Milford Sound reservations for the whole trip???, but its so hard to know where you are going to want to spend your time.

Here's our plan:

Mar3-4 Auckland - Stamford Plaza booked; Walk or take Bus/taxi around City center, SkyTower, Parnell, Posonby, Domain Park - Ferry to Davenport for Dinner; Karekare Beach

Mar 5 - Drive 3hr 20 mins to Paiha-Able Tasman Lodge

Mar6 Paihia -Swim with Dolphins-Able Tasman Lodge; Tour area - Walk beaches

Mar 7 - Drive 6 hr 45 min to Rotorua

Mar 8-Be at Waiotapu for 10:15 Geyser;Visit Hells Gate PM: Tamaki Cultural Performance

Mar 9-Mt Tarawera: 1-2 hr slow hike to Lake
followed by 11 am 2 1/2 hr cruise; Drive 1 hr to Taupo stopping at Huka Falls on the way - Have Dinner then continue driving another hour to Bayview Chateau in Tongariro NP

Mar10-Explore/Hike Tongariro NP

Mar11-Drive 5 hrs to Wellington-Walk around

Mar 12 - 10am Ferry to Picton Arrive 1pm - March 12 & 13 - Here's where I'm undecided: Take a cruise in Marlborough Sounds? Sightsee Picton, Blenheim & Nelson.
What town should we spend these 2 nights in?
Split it up? Are these "must-see" places?

Mar14 - Drive from Picton(?) 3 hrs to Abel Tasman NP

Mar 15-Abel Tasman

Mar 16-Long 6 hr 45 min drive from Abel Tasman to Hokitka. On the way, stop to see Punakaiki's Pancake Rocks

Mar 17-Drive 2 hrs from Hokitka to Franz Josef Glacier- Explore area

Mar 18-Heli hike (2 hrs very carefully walking on ice for lifetime experience)

Mar19-Drive 5 hr 45 min from Franz Josef Glacier to Queenstown - Sightsee

Mar 20-Take SS Earnshaw Steamer & excursion to sheep farm

Mar 21 - Sightsee - Jet Boat or rafting??
Suggestions?

Mar 22-Drive 2 hr 25 min from Queenstown to
Te Anu - Visit Caves - explore area

Mar 23 Wake up early-Drive non-stop 2 1/2 hr to Milford Sound for Cruise. Allow 6 hrs for drive back for scenic stops and walks

Mar 24 Drive 6 hrs 10 min from Te Anu to Mt Cook - I think we left too little time here?

Mar 25-Drive 4 hrs 45 min from Mt Cook to Christchurch

Mar 26 Catch 10:30 am flight to Tahiti (2 nights at Papeete Intercontinental & 4 nights at Moorea Intercontinental)

I'd love to add another night in Mt Cook but what can I cut out? Possibly the 2 days in Paihia? Take away 1 day from Queenstown????

Help? Any suggestions on time allocation - issues with long drives; hotels recommendations (don't want to do lush lodges that are over $200/night that are in the books); activities?
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If you want to cut a day, you could cut a day from Queenstown. You can take the TSS Earnslaw or go jetboating the morning that you drive to Te Anau. We did the Dart River Safari in Glenorchy in the morning and left for Te Anau around 1pm and had plenty of time to make the glowworm tour at 8pm.
My only other suggestion is you may want to stay in Westport instead of Hokitika and then see the Pancake Rocks on your way to FJ the following day. It would break up the drive a little better and Westport was a nice town for a stopover.
We recommend:
Punga Grove in Franz Josef
Campbell Autolodge in Te Anau
Browns Boutique Hotel in Queenstown
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Old Feb 15th, 2006, 07:15 AM
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I am exhausted just reading about the amount of driving you plan to do.

You should make reservations as soon as you reasonably know when and where you want to stay and do. The cancellation policies are fairly loose, and it is better to know that you have what you want, if you want something in particular, since you may not get it later.
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I agree with Jed-- you are driving a lot. You could choose to skip Mt. Cook and see it instead from a plane flying Queenstown-Christchurch on March 25.
The driving in NZ is very slow and you have to concentrate the entire time. It's exhausting-- not like hopping on an interstate here in the US.
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Thank you Jed, Tim and Liz for your excellent suggestions. It does make sense to drop Mt Cook from the itinerary and just fly from Queenstown to Christchurch. Also, stopping in Westport instead of Hokitika on the way to Franz Josef Glarcier is another fantastic idea. Can I please pick your brains with 2 more questions before I start making hotel reservations?:
1 - When I emailed the helihike guide about my unstable knee, he said it would be too dangerous for me to hike on the ice. THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO!!! but I guess he's probably right. Because of this limitation, should we:
A- Completely Bypass the whole Glacier area OR
B- Do a helicopter ride without the "touchdown"
C- Are the other activities in the Glacier area worth spending time here vs. somewhere else?

If ya'll tell me that this is a "must-see" area even without the helihike, we'll keep it on the itinerary....How do you suggest we spend the extra day that we "acquired" by dropping Mt Cook and flying from Queenstown to Christchurch?

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Antares,
If you can walk a mile, you can do the glacier walk. I would bring a walking stick if you're nervous but you should be fine. You get crampons so the ice does not feel slippery. We also saw a helicopter touch down and the people got out for a photo op and then got back on the helicopter. That could be an option but I don't know what the company was. I think that FJ is a must-do, but since the weather is so iffy, you only have about a 50% chance of doing the heli-hike. I haven't been to Mt. Cook so I don't know how to compare the two. But the drive down the west coast from Westport to FJ to Haast is incredible in itself. I would stick with your current itinerary.
With your extra day, I would either change the Milford Sound cruise to the overnight cruise, or do a day or overnight cruise on Doubtful Sound, or spend it in Te Anau or somewhere on the North Island.
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We stayed at the Lake Plaza in Rotorua; it's not fancy, but the room was clean, comfortable and spacious.

We considered the Tamaki concert and hangi, but chose the Mai Ora instead at the NZ Maori Arts and Crafts Institute. We really enjoyed our evening.

Are you staying at the Chateau in Tongariro? We stayed at the Skotel, which is a little less expensive. It would be worth paying for a deluxe room, rather than the standard, though, because our room was super-tiny.

If you're looking for a good walk in Tongariro, we did the two-hour Taranaki Falls walk, which was beautiful. It has some stairs, and I don't know if those would work with your knee.

In Wellington, we stayed at the Bay Plaza right near downtown, overlooking the harbor. It's a great location and very close to most things you'll want to do in the city.

I know you said you don't care for museums, but IMO an hour or so spent in the Maori section at Te Papa in Wellington would be well worth your time.

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Old Feb 15th, 2006, 03:39 PM
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I agree with Liz. See the West Coast, stop at either FJ or Fox, walk to the glacier, or take the sightseeing copter ride. You could also take a walk around Lake Matheson.

There are several small places to stop and see on the Haast Pass on the way from the glaciers to QT. You could briefly visit Wanaka and Arrowtown, see the bungi jumping.

Take either the overnight Milford or Doubtful cruise. Or, you could add the extra night in CHC.
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After reading your advice, I am no longer in panic mode. Thank you so much!

Liz & Jed - Thanks for your input on FJ. I am not ready to give up yet and let my knee rob me of that once-in-a-lifetime experience. I will give it a lot more thought. I really like the overnight cruising idea....but which one: DOUBTFUL SOUND OR MILFORD SOUND?

I read that the drive from Te Anu to Milford was not to be missed so does that stack the deck/vote? I'll have to read more about Te Anu to see if it can compete with the "Sound overnighter" idea for our extra day.

Lee Ann - I appreciate your tips for hotels & walks. TePapa does sound like it shouldn't be missed.

Well there is nothing like experience to plan a great trip.....and nice people like you to share yours with others.

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Antares-
The Milford vs. Doubtful Sound question is asked here relatively often. You may want to search for "Milford Doubtful" (no quotes) in the search function to see posts. We drove to Milford from Te Anau ourselves and the weather was totally overcast, foggy, and rainy. We had an excellent time regardless. Then the next day we were to take the overnight Doubtful Sound cruise, but due to the incredible amount of rain, the road washed out and our cruise was cancelled. (I am under the impression that this was the first time it ever happened, and we were quickly refunded our money so don't worry about this.) Anyway, we never got to see Doubtful. (Next trip, right?)
You could stay overnight in Te Anau, drive to Milford the next day and back to TA, and then take the Doubtful Sound cruise the next day or night.
Too many choices!! If money isn't a big issue though, you should do the overnight cruise IMHO.
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Lynn: I agree with several of the previous postings that the amount of driving you plan on doing--at least 5 hours on each of 7 days--will exhaust you. My wife and I are in our mid-50s, and on both of our NZ trips (2003, 2005), we limited our driving to no more than 3.5 hours on any day. You're only going to be able to average 35-40mph, and no matter where you're going, there's simply too much to see and do to spend so many hours in car. That said, here are some specific suggestions on dining and accommodation:

AUCKLAND: If you want an unforgettable sailing experience, you can ply Waitemata Harbor in style aboard NZL-40 or NZL-41, twin yachts built for Team New Zealand’s 1995 America's Cup Challenge, where you help steer (no experience necessary), grind the gears and duck the booms. Soul is my first choice in restaurants, and it offers indoor and outdoor seating facing the America's Cup Village. Run by one of the city's top chefs (it was named New Zealand's Best Restaurant in 2005 by CUISINE magazine), it serves seafood looks stunning and tastes sublime. Or try the small, casually elegant Anglesea Grill on Ponsonby Road. And don't miss a trip up to the observation decks in SkyTower.

BAY OF ISLANDS: Lunch or dinner at the classy Marsden Estate Winery & Restaurant, between Paihia and Kerikeri (voted North Island's Top Small Town). The Waikokopu Café, on the grounds of the Waitangi National Reserve north of Paihia, has a wonderfully subtropical atmosphere, and offers sandwiches, salads and deserts throughout the day. Take the ferry to Russell, a quaint, historic village boasting what is widely considered North Island’s top dining destination in Kamakura.

WELLINGTON: Halswell Lodge, a nostalgic, lavish, lovingly-restored, 1920s villa with reasonable rates, is a 5-minute walk from Te Papa and the waterfront. Take the Loop bus to Lambton Quay, where you can catch the Kelburn Cable Car for the short but steep climb to the fabulous Wellington Botanic Garden, 2,000 feet above the harbor. Dockside, as its name suggests, is a highly-regarded restaurant on the water, and Boulcott Street Bistro continually wins awards for its cuisine.

MARLBOROUGH SOUNDS: Punga Cove Resort, a remote and beautiful sanctuary in Endeavour Inlet on Queen Charlotte Sound, is a 45-minute water-taxi ride from Picton. The tasteful, A-frame chalets tucked into the bush are sunny retreats at a reasonable rate, and are adjacent to the spectacular Queen Charlotte Walkway. There’s also a restaurant with a million-dollar view, a pool, a sauna and a small market on the premises. And the kayaking along the coves is first-rate.

CHRISTCHURCH: Set in the cloisters of the Arts Centre, Annie’s Wine Bar offers a creative fusion of east and west cuisine. And Dux De Lux is a popular, upbeat, cafeteria-style spot with a blackboard menu of vegetarian and seafood dishes. Dorothy’s Boutique Hotel--a restored, 1916 villa in the heart of the city, is surrounded by immaculate gardens. Or try the Christchurch YMCA, a modern, six-story building across from the Arts Centre and the Botanic Gardens. Deluxe rooms have all the expected amenities for about $40USD a night, and there is a café, dining hall, sauna, gym and laundry on the premises. For total relaxation, go punting on the River Avon, which winds through the city.

QUEENSTOWN: Dark and cozy, The Cow specializes in generous servings of pasta and brick-oven pizza in the rustic setting of a 140-year-old stone milking shed. Joe's Garage is a lively--and inexpensive--local favorite for lunch (it was recently voted best café in New Zealand by Café magazine), and the wacky and colorful Fishbone Bar & Grill is a seafood specialist with a bustling dinner scene. Browns Boutique Hotel is a top choice in lodging, while well-appointed rooms overlooking the lake are offered at the Grand Mercure St. Moritz, an excellent, centrally-located, alpine-style hotel.
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Regarding the above mentioned Punga Cove in the Marlborough Sounds - PROCEED WITH CAUTION! We stayed there a few years back and it was a HUGE disappointment - worst part of our month long trip. I strongly suggest you do a search for recent comments on this place. Better yet, bypass Punga altogether and go straight to Bay of Many Coves - wonderful place!
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I might possibly cut out the days in Pahia, since you are going to Tahiti later in the trip. You could do the dolphin swim in Kaikoura or Akaroa.

In Christchurch, I stayed at the Y and do NOT recommend it. The walls are thin and you hear doors slamming well into the night. There are several reasonably priced B&Bs on Armagh Street. I stay at the Windsor, but it does require shared bath facilities. It's best to be in Christchurch on a weekend as there is the farmer/craft market in the Art Center then.

I think you would like Nelson, it has charming architecture and better shopping. You should be able to find a historic B&B in central Nelson for your budget (bnb.co.nz).

You should be able to find a flight that will take you up to land on the top of the glaciers. You can walk around on the flat part but you dont have to walk down the face, which I can't imagine would be good for the knee. If the weather is good, don't skip the west coast. The mountain scenery is the best.
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Hi, Antares,
For accommodation in Christchurch we have stayed at Stonehurst Accommodation, and Southern Comfort Motel, both of which we would recommend.
I note someone suggested Lake Matheson for a walk - you need to be there really early in the morning (around 6 - 8 at latest) to get the magnificent reflections the lake is famous for. The track around the lake is unsealed which could be tough on your knee. You can walk around the lake quite leisurely in around an hour and a half, then regain your energy at the Cafe beside the car park.
I would also like to suggest that you could consider visiting the White Heron sanctuary from Whataroa just north of Fox. There are several tours during the day, and you could easily do this from Franz Josef, or on the way from Hokitika to Franz Josef.
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Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions. I cut out Pahia, since as mlgb pointed out, we can swim with the dolphins when we get to Tahiti. That gave us 2 days for more choices. Also using Westport as was suggested for halfway stop. I booked the Overnight Doubful Sound Cruise & thought I was doing really well with the itinerary since I got the no. of days with 5 or more hours of drive time down to 3. Well, the problem is - we get off the cruise and have to be in Christchurch 2 days later for our International flight. Where is the closest airport to Doubtful sound where we can drop off our rental car as well? I am back in PANIC MODE. Here's the revised plan:

Mar3-4 Arrive Auckland 6am - Stamford Plaza booked; Walk or take Bus/taxi around City center, SkyTower, Parnell, Posonby, Domain Park - Ferry to Davenport for Dinner; Karekare Beach

Mar5-NO HOTEL-Drive 3 hrs 20 mins Auckland to Rotorua - Visit Hell's Gate & Ehakarewarewaha Village-In evening, Polynesian Spa

Mar6-NO HOTEL-Be at Waiotapu for 10:15 Geyser - Visit Waimangu Valley-In evening attend Cultural Performance

Mar7-NO HOTEL-Visit Mt Tarawera - Take 1-2 path to Lake and catch 11am 2 1/2 Cruise. Upon return shuttle takes you back.

Mar8 - Drive 1 hr 10 min to Taupo stopping at Huka Falls on the way -Then continue driving another hour 25 min to Bayview Chateau in Tongariro NP (Booked Mar 8- only available 1 night -emailed special request if Mar 7 opens up-can't hurt to ask) - Explore Tong NP

Mar9-NO HOTEL-Drive 4 hr 55 min to Wellington-Walk around -Have dinner on Waterfront-Next morning if time allows explore city

Mar10-2pm Ferry arrives Picton 5pm

Mar10-11-Picton - NO HOTEL Hike around Marlborough Sound-Sightsee Picton & Blenheim, Visit a winery or two...

Mar12-Nelson-NO HOTEL

Mar13-NO HOTEL-Drive 1 1/2 hrs from Nelson to Abel Tasman NP

Mar 14-Abel Tasman-NO HOTEL

March 15--NO HOTEL-Drive 4 hrs 10 min from Abel Tasman to Westport

Mar 16-Drive 4 hrs 5 min from Westport to Fox Glacier. On the way, stop to see Punakaiki's Pancake Rocks. Booked Fox Glacier Hotel

Mar17-Helihike or Walk Lake Matheson-Booked Fox Glacier Hotel

Mar 18-NO HOTEL-Drive 5 hr 45 min from Fox Glacier to Queenstown - Take Breaks along the way to see Blue Pool & Thunder Hill Falls - Drive may actually take over 7 hrs with Sightseeing to get to QT

Mar19-NO HOTEL-Walk QT-Drive to Shotover River to see Canyon & Bungy jumpers-Take Jet Boat Ride or White Water Rafting - Skyline Gondola to Bobs Peak for Dinner

Mar20-NO HOTEL-Take SS Earnshaw Steamer & excursion to sheep farm

Mar21-Drive 2 hr 25 min from Queenstown to Te Anu-Booked Campbell Autolodge- Visit Caves

Mar 22-Drive 2 1/2 hrs to Milford Sound-Take short cruise - Leisurely drive back to TA (Count on maybe 6 hrs)stopping for walks & scenery-Booked Campbell Autolodge

Mar23-Overnight Doubtful Sound Cruise

March 24-Noon-Return from Cruise

March 24 or 25 - WHERE IS THE CLOSEST AIRPORT TO RETURN RENTAL CAR & FLY TO CHRISTCHURCH FOR MAR26 10:30 AM FLIGHT TO PAPEETE? I guess we could drive 4 hrs 10 min to QT? cAN YOU THINK OF A BETTER WAY? (OVERNIGHTS IN MILFORD SOUND WERE BOOKDED.)

Mar 26 Catch 10:30 am flight to Tahiti (2 nights at Papeete Intercontinental & 4 nights at Moorea Intercontinental)

WHAT A MESS? DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO? I NEED THE BEST OF THE BEST TO HELP ME OUT OF THIS JAM!

ALSO, ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR HOTELS IN ROTORUA
2ND HOTEL IN TONGARIRP NP IF BC DOESN'T OPEN UP?
ABEL TASMAN NP
WESTPORT,
QUEENSTOWN
CHRISTCHURCH,
PICTON,
NELSON,
WELLINGTON

DO I HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH AGAIN?
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Assuming you could move your Doubtful Sound trip, I would do this: March 21, Queenstown to Milford to Te Anau
March 22 Overnight Doubtful
March 23 Return/ Spend Day at Te Anau and Queenstown, ON Queenstown.
March 24th Queenstown to Tekapo/Twizel.
25th Tekapo/Twizel to Christchurch, overnight Christchurch.

I would think Queentown is your best choice for an airport, but I don't really think it is worth flying.


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Antares,
You do not need to panic. Your revised itinerary looks great. Search www.kayak.com for either a late night flight from Queenstown to Christchurch on the 24th or sometime on the 25th. It is no more than a 3 hour drive from Manapouri (where you disembark the Doubtful Sound cruise) to Queenstown. Alternatively, you could drive towards Twizel on the 24th and finish your drive on the 25th to Christchurch.
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I don't see the problem. You will be fine.

If you finish the DS overnight on Mar 24 at noon, you drive 2- 2 1/2 hr to QT, then to the airport, drop the car, take the 5:10 PM Qantas flight non-stop to CHC. Right now, the flight is cheap if you get the Red-e-deal, at US $97. Check out

http://www.accommodationz.co.nz/distances2.html

and http://linktrim.com/4p2

We drove from QT to TA in 2 hr, and I drove at the speed limit.

How does that sound?

We stayed at a reasonably good B&B in Rotorua, the Westminster.
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All,
Once again, I can't express how much I appreciate your help. I booked the Qantas Queenstown-Christchurch flight as suggested. It was a great deal, saving us time and energy - and we even saved some money returning the rental car early.

....and now I am no longer panicing. I am going to post a new note for hotel suggestions.
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