first time in OZ solo sydney stay during may

Old Feb 12th, 2008, 07:30 AM
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hi peteralan: as i would like to walk down to darling harbour don't you think something around darlinghurst, potts point, or the like would be more interesting to dirnk in life of a sydneysifer even for week? i'm thinking the chelsea... what do you think?
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Old Feb 12th, 2008, 05:43 PM
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Yes, I guess that would be so rather than staying in the city which would be handy to DH but you will only see office workers and othe tourists. Sorry I don't actually know the Chelsea.Hope you get something you will like.
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Old Feb 12th, 2008, 05:50 PM
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it's off a little lane in darlinghurst, really nice and airy and very well recommended.
at first i was looking for self contained apartments, but i don't know yet if i want the hassle of keys, linen, cleaning etc... before leaving, when it's costing mepractically the same. the only $nafu? is that i will have to have dinner around somewhere at little cafés or asian food places instead of fixing myself something up jj
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Old Feb 12th, 2008, 07:17 PM
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That's a great location, plenty of street life nearby, good cafes etc. It might be a bit of walk to Darling Harbour from there, and up hill on the way back. I'm trying to think of public transport options for you...

Not a great solution, but you could get a 389 bus from Liverpool st (Darlinghurst) to the end of Hyde Park, then walk from there. Maybe someone else can suggest some other options.
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Old Feb 12th, 2008, 11:37 PM
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Hi lavici,
I think you're on a winner with The Chelsea - looks charming on the website and I'm sure you will be able to survive the hardship of choosing somewhere for dinner each night in the heart of "foodies' heaven"

Transport in & out of Darling Harbour: I found a MOST helpful girl on the STA (State Transit Authority) help desk who advises :

IN: From Burton St/St. Vincents Hospital (about 400m walk from the Chelsea) - take bus 389 to Circular Quay, then from Stand C - bus 443 to Darling Harbour. The 443s apparently go about every 10 mins or so.

HOME: From Harris Street /Pyrmont Bridge Road - take 443 to Circular Quay & then the 389 back to Burton Street.

There's a great website: http://www.131500.info

Thanks for your post - I've learnt a lot about my own town this evening!

What's your favourite cuisines? I'm sure we'll be able to come up with a list of local gems for you
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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 09:42 AM
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hi bokhara2: you are such a doll,thank you sooo very much!!!!
besides i have to thank you also for giving my dalily dose of healthy laughter ja ja ja your post made me laugh... because i know i made the going out to dinner seem like an authentic difficult and unenthusiastic chore, ja ja ja when i am officially really a foodie, i'm venezuelan( so i'm under a budget) and my father was french, (so i love food). but having said that i do enjoy trying and sampling everything, as long as it's well prepared, meaning it doesn't have to be a 5 * restaurant, it could be a simple street food stall(except yucki hamburgers or hot dogs). i LOVE all the weird sounding exotic fruits you seem to have down under, i looooove vietnamese cooking, thai, sushi, indonesian, anything asian really, i die for seafood and fish, cafés with simple delicious fare & my coffee strong and aromatic. dear bokhara2 so i really appreciae all your wonderful tips. and i need to ask you one more: if the weather is nice would it take very long to walk back and forth from the convention to the chelsea? maybe not every single day or maybe up thru potts point and the bay... i don't know if there are highways not suited for pedestrians? big venezuelan hug from janine
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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 03:21 PM
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Hi Lavici,

Yes - you could easily walk down to Darling Harbour from the Chelsea. My guess is 30 minutes or so. You could walk down William Street, across Hyde Park to Market Street (near David Jones women's store)and then straight down to the overpass at Darling Harbour.

May's a lovely month here, the deciduous trees will have their autumn colours and the days can be crisp mornings & evenings, with lovely clear skies & warm days.

You must try Sel et Poivre (Victoria street, just near St.Vincent's hospital) for great traditional French bistro food. I'm addicted to their snails! Next door is a good local Asian - wonderful laksas & v.cheap. Onde (346 Liverpool St) is also worth a visit for more contemporary French.
Vietnamese - try Phamish, nearby (354 Liverpool St.)for a quick meal. Go early for the specials. Red Lantern, in Crown Street is probably my favourite inner-city Vietnamese.
Most hotels in your area will do a very decent bistro meal, too.

One of the great features of Sydney dining is that most of our licensed restaurants offer a good selection of wine by the glass. Many are also BYO (bring your own) and with more & more wine makers using stelvin (screw tops), it's a good option when you want to have a couple of glasses, but not the whole bottle We still don't do half-bottles in anything approaching the volume or range of the European market.


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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 03:31 PM
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Bokhara has prompted me to think of another public transport possibility. Take the 389 bus to Circular Quay and then the ferry (from Wharf 5) to Darling Harbour. It might take a little longer but it's such a nice way to start the day, particularly if you have an all day conference ahead of you!
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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 06:07 PM
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hi susan and bokhara: i'm going to miss you guys when i finally plan everything according to your notes, which i will print and have them bound to take them with me... i can't wait to get there! i wish i could teletransport myself without my very long flight from caracas, but what the heck! thanks thanks can i thank you enough for the many insider sydneysider and melbournian suggestions... those are more precious to me than any fancy guide and susan's suggestion of arriving by ferry some mornings @darling habour before having to be stuck inside the conference all day long sounds super. that's why i was asking about the walking, i need to move before or after. specially if the weather will be so gorgeous, autumn is my favorite time of the year because it's my birthday ( in oct NH) but i love it because we don't have seasons in caracas. muchos abrazos... janine
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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 08:03 PM
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That's a brilliant suggestion about the ferry, Susan.

Lavici, you couldn't help but love Melbourne! I lived there for a year and would go back in a heartbeat. As John says, it's quite different than Sydney, with a charm & sophistication all its own. It will certainly be colder than Sydney - all the more reason to enjoy the little laneway bistros & local suburban favourites.

Can't remember if anyone mentioned the beach at Brighton with its British style bathing boxes and sweeping views of the city & Williamstown skyline. One of my favourite 'Melbourne weekends' starts with an early morning walk along Brighton beach, then a good coffee & something wicked from Ackland Street, St.Kilda (lots of European bakery delights) a look through the street market going back towards the city. Catch a tram or bus to the Art Gallery on St.Kilda Road (markets next door at Southbank.)Lunch either somewhere in Southbank overlooking the river or some fantastic Japanese eel at Chocolate Buddah across the bridge at Federation Square. There's a v.good gallery in Fed Sq too, which includes some excellent Aboriginal Art. (The Ian Potter Gallery) Also a (horse)racing museum which, even if you're not an equine afficionado, is very interesting. Often musical groups playing in the open space at Federation Square. Last time I was there, I took a boat trip along the river - just gorgeous, lazing in the sun as we were passed by rowers slicing through the water with barely a ripple.

Melbourne's a fantastic city for walking & cycling. Lots of parks & walkways along all the waterways. Their public transport system is very good too, so it's easy walk part of the way then jump on a bus or tram. We got rid of our trams in Sydney in the 60's

If you do come to Sydney in the first week of May and would like to meet up, I'd be very happy to do that. I'll email you.

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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 08:47 PM
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Great suggestions above lavici. Maybe a ferry one way and 389 the other? You won't be at a loss for places to eat.Bokhara,please email me!
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Old Feb 13th, 2008, 09:09 PM
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Hi Peter (excuse me lavici)
Emailed you yesterday but I have a new email address so it may have been tossed in your "Junk" file.
Have re-sent using the old one.
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Old Feb 14th, 2008, 03:08 PM
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my dears... i wish i could just stay there forever. ok.bokhara i mailed you this morning ( my morning...) happy valentine's
yes i would love to meet with you.
peter, susuan and bokhara should i do melbourne at the beginning or end of april? gracias gracias... janine
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Old Feb 14th, 2008, 04:46 PM
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Hi lavici
I'd go NZ, Tas, Melbourne, Sydney. (1) It's the most direct way (2) ascending temperatures.

It doesn't matter whether you're in Melbourne early or later in April as it won't be really cold until June/July.

I've been in Tas late April and didn't think it was terribly cold; we needed a jumper (sweater) sometimes, but that's about all.
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Old Feb 14th, 2008, 06:31 PM
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bokhara hi... did you get my email earlier today? i know, that's the logical way, but i'm going to freycinet park to meet a group leaving on april 11th for a four day walk around it. and then i the conference in sydney on may 7th, so that's why i have to scrunch NZ in the middle which isn't logical at all, and it may cost me a pretty bit zigzagging around !
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Old Feb 14th, 2008, 08:42 PM
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Ah .... that explains it, lavici!
I didn't realize you were locked into the 11th April to meet a group.

Yes, rec'd your email & have replied.
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Old Feb 15th, 2008, 12:36 AM
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lavici, don't think it matters greatly but of the two I would opt for Melbourne before Sydney.
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Old Feb 15th, 2008, 04:27 AM
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I can't help myself and hope putting my oar in the water again might assist you lavici .Bokhara' s weekend suggestion is good.I think you have suggested that before have you not Bokhara ? Sunday morning is the day the Craft Market is open along the Esplanade foreshore , Espanade Hotel has live nbands and grunge - an iconic venue .I Acland St I prefer to buy cake from either of Monarch or Europa for their baked polish cheescake , Chocolate Kugelhopf ( pardon spelling ) plum sponge .

Lavici not sure if you definitely decided to visit Melbourne or not yet and / or further investigated hotel options .In case you have not I just looked at www.lastminute.com.au to see what is around at present . The prices of these hotels , when discounted range from 140 up to 380 a night .Have a look at these
St Kilda - Urban St Kilda at 35 Fitzroy Street ( smart new ); Tolarno , Fitzroy St.( small with excellent restaurant underneath );Novotel St Kilda ( looks over the beach , not large rooms but well situated )Hotel Charsfield in St Kilda Rd ( old mansion but may be a little too far away from eateries etc )

South Yarra - Hatton Hotel , Park St( posh part of town adjacent to botanical gardens and tramat door ) ; Lyall Sth Yarra

Downtown(CBD)- Adelphi , Flinders Lane ( glass bottomed pool on roof overhanging the road so you see the street as you swim - groovy ) Lindrum , Flinders St ( old pool hall converted to hotel and very smart near galleries etc )

They are all on the tram routes which move you in , out or around the city and its precincts .

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Hi JohnFitz,
What's the white hotel on the bend coming into St.Kilda - about opposite Luna Park? I've not stayed there (have friends in Elwood) but it looks interesting.

My favourite in South Yarra is The Tilba (30 Toorak Road South).

You're right - I would have suggested this or a similar itinerary to others, as it's such a "Melbourne" thing for me.

I should add a couple of other early morning favourites:

The Collingwood Children's Farm Growers Market at Abbotsford http://www.farm.org.au/coming-events...rs-market.html
(2nd Saturdays)

Queen Victoria Markets www.qvm.com.au

I thought about the Collingwood markets for lavici, but as she won't have a car, thought it might be a bit tricky getting there.

Lavici: You'd LOVE the deli & other food sections of Vic Markets, as the Queen Victoria Markets are commonly called. They're on during the week, too - not sure what's sold on which days. The weekends are the best, I think as that's when everything is open. I like to go early & have breakfast at one of the cafes nearby.

I mentioned Brighton Beach, but not the village, which really is very charming ... and has some very good shops, coffee, clothes, shoes & a fantastic 'houseware & more' shop whose name escapes me. Should be seared on my memory as I think I counted for at least 40% of its annual t/o last visit

Armadale too: For the antique, art & jewellery galleries. Fantastic glass exhibition last time I was there. Not open on Sundays, though.

Out of town: The William Ricketts Sanctuary http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/resources/04_0217.pdf
Unless you could take a small group tour, you'd definitely need a car to get there, but it's just breathtaking.

Aaahh ... see what you've started JohnFitz? I just checked in to see who was chatting before my early morning walk - & now I want to go out to the airport & jump on the first flight down to Melbourne!

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Old Feb 15th, 2008, 08:24 PM
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john fitz and bokhara please put your oars in the water every time! how many nights should i dedicate to mlbn? i had thought three? but i'm thinking i should give it at least 4 or five which i could only do IF i go to melbourne first, before tasmania. i haven't bought the tkts... yet, so i've still got flexibility ;>
what do you think? jjj

OZ tasmania........... eight days
NZ wellie+QCT+nelson...twelve days?
OZ melbourne...........three days?
OZ sydney..............nine days(4 spent in a conference)
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