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Mucky Jun 4th, 2005 01:02 AM

Aussie Ashes tour to UK
As the Aussies land in UK next week I was wondering how many of you Australian Fodors regulars will be coming over too.

margo_oz Jun 4th, 2005 01:10 PM

G'day Muck

I'd planned to be there for the end of the tour - but, decided to spend my money on doctors' bills instead! :(


Mucky Jun 4th, 2005 01:36 PM

Well thats a damn shame..get well soon and then you can come over and you may get to see Glamorgan win, I did last week. Its a rare sight these days


johhj_au Jun 4th, 2005 04:11 PM

Too right Muck....this aussie will be on tour with the Collaroy Plateau CC.
We leave July 1,play 13 fixtures,see a one dayer at headingley on july 7 and I have a ticket to day 4 of the Lords test!

I'll say hello to that great welsh cricketer M Kasprowicz for you. How many taffies in the england squad? the two Jones's?

I have two spare days...july 22 and 23...might even drive over to my mate at Crofty...have a look at glamorgan at sophia gardens. How long London-Cardiff? Cardiff-Crofty?

BTW ..I thought you would be heading to kiwiland for the all blacks v "welsh" lions.

Mucky Jun 5th, 2005 12:56 AM

Hey johhj_au
Great to hear your coming over,the more aussies to beat the

London to Cardiff by car is about 150 miles so 2 1/4 hours ish although my MIL did it in 1 hour 30 (she got a speeding ticket)Train is about 1 hr 45.

Cardiff to Crofty: well its about 1hr if the traffic is ok.

Yes only 2 taffies, severn bridge is a long way from lords and the Selectors think there's a troll living under it so they don't venture past very often.
Kaspo?? I thought he had retired, don't see him down this
We have Ganguly now he was out for a duck and 15 in 2nd innings. A shrewd recruitment....not.

Hey if your going to Sophia let me know I'll join you for a beer or 2.
July 22/23rd I will see what games are on then and report back.

Mucky Jun 5th, 2005 02:29 AM

Hi John,
Looks like there is nothing with Glamorgan on those two dates the nearest are these
20/07/2005 . Middlesex (Floodlit) Cardiff starts around 16:10
21/07/2005 . Middlesex Cardiff

There is a possibility that 30/07/2005 Australia at Cardiff but that will only happen if worcestershire are in 20/20 and Glam not.
I will cast the net further afield


Mucky Jun 5th, 2005 02:34 AM

Hi John,
Looks like on those two dates you have the 2nd and 3rd days play against Middlesex
20/07/2005 . Middlesex (Floodlit) Cardiff starts around 16:10

There is a possibility that 30/07/2005 Australia at Cardiff but that will only happen if worcestershire are in 20/20 and Glam not.

johhj_au Jun 5th, 2005 11:23 PM

Thanks Mucky...

20/7/05 we are at Hambledon,Hants.

30/7/05 I am back in sydney.

Has to be 22/7 if its going to happen....

if its not an oxymoron what are the tourist attractions of south wales?

Mucky Jun 6th, 2005 01:22 AM

John Hi,
If you plan for the 22nd let me know and I will meet you there. You can get tickets at the gate.

South Wales, well it does depend upon what you like however there are plenty of castles and a underground mining museum that sends you down the shaft.

Seaside and coastal walks, St Fagans museum of welsh life (St Fagans have a good village cricket side too)

Gower is beautiful West Wales is good too.
Caerleon has roman ruins and museum and even a small amphitheatre.
Let me know what you like and I will try to be more specific.


johhj_au Jun 6th, 2005 02:21 AM

Ok we go 30 hours or less...I need to answer these questions..

-why did Cook call this place NEW South Wales?
-the relationship between the pit and the welsh rugby tradition?
-how has south wales coped with the thatcher de industralisation?
-how multi cultural is south wales today?
-is welsh nationalism a joke?
-a pleasant two hour pub to pub walk in the Gower peninsula?
-the price of a pint at sophia gardens?

johhj_au Jun 6th, 2005 02:24 AM

oh and throw in a little Dylan Thomas as well...

Mucky Jun 6th, 2005 04:44 AM

why did Cook call this place NEW South Wales?...No Idea..but why not

-the relationship between the pit and the welsh rugby tradition?.... Pits/villages had their own teams and huge comoraderie.
When maggie closed the pits, the village breeding grounds for outside halfes soon disapeared as men moved away for work and the communities were broken up...

-how has south wales coped with the thatcher de industralisation?...It has had to re generate itself, new industries such as electronics and service industry along with large shopping areas all go to provide jobs. The steel industry is profitable now too.

-how multi cultural is south wales today?.......South Wales is quite multi cultural, Cardiff- biggest exporter of coal in the world.
Also Swansea and Newport were all industrial ports, thus many many people stayed, its a bit like Melbourne.

-is welsh nationalism a joke?...Yes

-a pleasant two hour pub to pub walk in the Gower peninsula?...No Idea but will investigate

-the price of a pint at sophia gardens? £2.40...I usually take my own, but then I'm a stingy git.

Dylan Thomas, womanising alcholic famous in west wales for drinking the pubs dry, I think he lived in a boat shed and wrote stuff...not my cup of tea unfortunately, Dylan was born on October 27, 1914 at No 5, Cwmdonkin Drive in Swansea, and died on November 9, 1953 in St Vincentís Hospital, New York. Apologise for my ignorance....


Mucky Jun 6th, 2005 01:30 PM

OK I have investigated the pubs....not all of them you must understand.

There is a reasonable website you may like to look at:

You should be able to plan something along the lines of the mumbles pub tour


johhj_au Jun 10th, 2005 04:02 AM

Thanks Muck...

I was trying to find out where I would go to answer those questions.

Howver it looks as though my mate is away on hols at that time..the project looks doubtful.

Mucky Jun 12th, 2005 07:46 AM

well never mind, if you find your down this neck of the woods, let me know.
Enjoy your trip and I look forward to those wonderful ashes games


AndrewDavid Jun 13th, 2005 07:53 PM

I don't believe there can beany real Aussie Cricket Down Under while johnj is touring the English and Welsh countryside.


Mucky Jun 13th, 2005 11:57 PM

Going by last night 20/20 result I don't think there is much Aussie cricket here at all (So far)

Great result for England but what happened to the Aussies??


Bokhara Jun 14th, 2005 01:46 AM

Just getting the odds up, boys. Don't know a good Indian bookie, do you? :)

margo_oz Jun 14th, 2005 07:21 PM


There'll be absolutely NO cricket in Oz while JohnJ is in Pom-land!

The Aussie team is also in UK - and cricket is a summer game here! (and now it's bloody winter :( )

johhj_au Jun 15th, 2005 03:07 AM

things will get serious after July 1 when the mighty Collaroy CC arrive in Manchester.

We will be at Headingley on July 7, Leicester on July 15 and Lords on July 24.

Be warned...the plans for SF in April 2006 are confirmed...will e mail after the english prepared for a long monologue on the post colonial implications of the bodyline ashes series!

Mucky Jun 15th, 2005 04:35 AM

Hi John,
I will warn the Manchester cops of you impending arrivals I'm sure they will be

England are fully aware of the secret Aussie plot, to lull us into a false sense of security by playing crap in the 20/20. Only to 'suddenly' regain their batting ability in the 'proper' games. We know that you have batsmen that can hit the ball properly. The problem England have at the moment is which two are they.



Mucky Jun 19th, 2005 11:33 AM

Did you guys send the right team over this time?


AndrewDavid Jun 19th, 2005 04:43 PM

Note to US pom-frets and cricket enthusiasts: Elizabeth George's Playing for the Ashes" will be on PBS
tonight June 19. Happy Fathers Day to all fathers.

Hi Margo, Neil and johnj ( new house is almost ready for you and Jenny)

margo_oz Jun 19th, 2005 06:57 PM

Good question, Mucky! Wish I knew the answer!

Is it worse to be beaten by England or Bangladesh??

Answer = probably England.

John - glad you're taking your kit - you may be needed!

AndrewDavid Jun 25th, 2005 10:25 AM

Did johnj find Muck or did he end up in the Welsh equivalent of Woop Woop? Muck would that be something like Llandayunobrtleffer?


Mucky Jun 25th, 2005 10:32 PM

No sign of JJ yet, but he's not leaving till next week.
By which time the Aussies would have found their way too and started holding the bat the right way round.

I am sure your spelling was nearly right but I think you may have meant Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch.



margo_oz Jun 27th, 2005 07:35 PM

Finally won the odd match - now breathing a little easier! :o

Mucky Jun 28th, 2005 12:31 PM

Looks like the rain has decided this game 28/06/05, however good to see our own Simon Jones whipping Gichrist and Hayden for 33 between them !



Mucky Aug 4th, 2005 02:42 AM

Hey Johnj did you survive the tour...where are you mate??


johhj_au Aug 7th, 2005 06:48 PM


I returned to sydney last week..absolutely exhausted and full of flu/pneumonia.Just starting to feel human again.About half a dozen of the fellows got it in the last week of the tour.

The tour was successfull beyond my best expectations..wonderful weather..we won our share of games..hospitality fantastic..our boat race team undefeated..a wonderful cross section of english geography/cricket/people.

What about the second test..great stuff!!!

lizF Aug 7th, 2005 09:42 PM

Its just a shame that the slow motion replay will show that Kasper was not out! When everything hinges on a decision should not the third umpire be brought into the action or at least a slow motion replay?

Mucky Aug 13th, 2005 10:41 AM

John, Glad to see you made it and had a great tour !!
2nd test fabulous, oh Liz...the slow motion shows clearly that our great Glamorgan Kaspo was out and the poor guy will live with that for ever.

3rd Test is looking good too if only the weather will behave. UK is getting a hammering today but tomorrow it will improve.
It's my birthday Sunday and the current Mrs Muck will be ensuring the supply of food drink and TLC will continue throughout Sundays play.



lizF Aug 13th, 2005 03:07 PM

Dear Mr Muck
The action reply we got in Australia shows that Kasper was hit on his glove while his hand was not on the bat - the rules say that if you are hit on the glove when your hand is not on the bat you are not out - you have to have your hand on the bat for it to be out.
Be that as it may the Aussies at this point in time ( with the exception of Warne who will have to be cast in bronze) are a disjointed, sad lot and as far as I am concerned the Captaincy on Friday, or was it Thursday, left a lot to be desired by not using a third man in fielding position and we will not even talk about the choice of players now will we? I believe that McGrath was brought back in too early and was not playing at 100%, the fielders seemed to have the minds somewhere else, the Captain, as I said before, obviously wants to give England every chance to win that he can by not putting fielders in the way of the balls and he is about as out of form as you can get. Gilchrist has even given up in disgust I think and he was my hero. My husband says that my prosac is not working and that is why I don't want to watch the slaughter.
To give credit where it is due though I would have to say that England has got a better mind set, they "want" it more, are playing better, are fielding better and are the better team, its that simple. Our lot seem to think that they can sit on their laurals forever and not put in an effort. It won't work.
I tried watching Rugby Union instead but the Kiwis beat us there so today I am going down to the bowls club for lunch, that is about as much "sport" as I can take now.

Mucky Aug 13th, 2005 03:42 PM

but apart from that they are doing ok


Liz its plain to see that the earths magnetic field has altered the image on your tv of Kaspo's hand, it is plain to see that a dangling piece of thread from the seam of his glove was touching the handle at the time of impact. Now the umpire (was it the skinny guy with the curly finger?) obviously saw it didn't


johhj_au Aug 13th, 2005 04:23 PM

Happy Birthday Muck...
one day we will have a beer at Sophia Gardens or the SCG.
Impressed with S P Jones but not with
G O Jones...what sort of name is geraint anyway and he did learn his cricket in Toowoomba.

lizF Aug 13th, 2005 07:38 PM

it is plain to see that a dangling piece of thread from the seam of his glove was touching the handle at the time of impact. Now the umpire (was it the skinny guy with the curly finger?) obviously saw it didn't

Now listen up here Mr Muck, that dangling thread you speak about was a wiggley thing on the lens of the camera and had nothing to do at all with the glove. If you play a game on a grass field you have to expect that there will be a few wiggley things about at the time. I still say that if they had used the third umpire you would not only have been able to determine what invertebrate the wiggley thing was but that neither it nor the glove was near the bat.
Anyway it does not matter anymore as I am gathering together a geriatric female squad of 11 ladies and we are going over to the UK to show the young'ns how to play. So it will not be " Ooooooo ARRRrrrrrr Glen McGrath " but
"ooooooo arrrrrrr the ladies from afar
have come to show us just how good they are"

Mucky Aug 14th, 2005 03:16 AM

Thanks John, As I write I am watching Straussie patching up his baddy ear after liz the cricketer sharpened the metal bits on his helmet.
Shane warne had a pretty good innings in fairness, anyway I knew Jonesie our Welsh mate would get him eventually.

Now Liz; I reckon your idea is great you can come over here with your ladies, wop Glamorgan as they are pretty grim this year and Bring JJ over as your illustrious leader, providing of course he gets over the English dreaded summer flu. (You wouldn't have got it from Wales)

Well the game has progressed and Mrs Muck has just brought me in some tea and biscuits whilst I watch the game with my feet up.

Happy Birthday to me!



lizF Aug 14th, 2005 12:54 PM

Its Monday morning in Oz but its still Mr Muck's birthday so I hope that Mr Muck has had a lovely birthday. Happy Birthday to Muck, Happy Birthday to Muck, Happy Birthday dear Muck - ie, Happy Birthday dear Muck 1408!
Hope you are enjoying your new pair of glasses and that the rose tint is not too feminine for you ;0)

AndrewDavid Aug 14th, 2005 04:42 PM

Will the "Oooh Arrrrh Elder Geriatric Ladies" Cricket team produce a partially clothed calendar the proceeds of which will finance john_j's cricket club tour of the US and Canada?

It's still the 14th in New Mexico so Happy Birthday, Mucky.


Mucky Aug 16th, 2005 09:01 AM

What a 3rd test !!
I had a great day yesterday.
Saw Eng/Aus all day then down the Sophia Gdns Mat Maynards testimonial against rest of the world X1. A fabulous dayall round really.But one more wkt would have made it heaven.


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