Travel bubbles for Thailand.

Old Oct 1st, 2020, 03:43 AM
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Data from this website (below) tells us that MIddle Eastern tourists to Thailand spend the most per head, about 81K baht per tourist. Chinese spend about 50K baht per head.
And the average Asian tourist, Japanese and Chinese, spends only 2/3 of what a European spends while on holiday in T'land.

However, the number of Chinese tourists, naturally, is much higher due to massive population and nearness to Thailand. The Chinese tour groups are well known to travel 'en masse', stay at only Chinese owned hotels, shop at Chinese owned stores, cause havoc at seafood buffets and at times, deface temples. But becoz there are so many of them they dominate the tourist scene in the 'Land of Smiles'.

More here: https://www.thaiwebsites.com/tourism...e-Thailand.asp
Chinese per capita spending is higher...European and Americans tend to stay longer but their daily spend is less.
lot of this is due to the proximity of China

"From older data we also know that per day tourists from different countries spend quite similar amounts of money. Only Europeans seem to be a bit more 'stingy' but this relates to their longer staying periods" from the website quoted above.

This is largely by the by as Thailand authorities want to control any visitors as tightly as possible. This is much easier smoke get Chinese tourists who are less independant in general.

As their trips involve getting organised by the authorities back home they are much better placed to get all the paperwork and certification covered..
It remains to be seen how long term is taken up by Chinese tourists. Before Brexit they were already top on Samui in 4 and 5 star accommodation. It may be that long vacations do not fit in with the Chinese work ethic.
Thailand has set no preferences so far. The travel bubble schemes they put forward at first proved to be non-stanon-s.

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Old Oct 4th, 2020, 12:06 AM
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As yet there doesnt appear to be a "list of countries, where it would be possible to obtain Thailand Special Tourist Visa is not provided yet, but it seems that the first to arrive will be all those who are part of countries considered to be at low risk of COVID-19 and definitely not those where the outbreak of the disease is present."

https://thaiest.com/blog/thailand-sp...urist-visa-stv


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Old Oct 4th, 2020, 10:54 AM
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A rather depressing thought. Most airlines are scrapping there 747s at present as they will have no further use for them
The general view is that long haul mass transit will not reach previous levels until 2024/5.
For Anerumicans and Europeans the idea of several quick jaunts to Thailand per annum are over for the time being. And travelling around more than one country seems even less likely.
The perception of the weat being Covid central will be hard to shake off
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Old Oct 4th, 2020, 11:00 AM
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There seem to be some misconceptions, prejudices even, about Chinese tourism in Thailand.
As for Chinese misbehaviour in Thailand, a lot of it is amplified by the media...especially the western media that often resorts to stereotyping.
As for "desicration" of temples, It should be remembered that Buddhism is the largest religion in China and recognised by the state. Most Chinese people know much more about Buddhism than the average westerner.
Thailand culturally has a lot in common with the Chinese. . Chinese temples can be seen over over the country. Chinese New Year has always been a major event in almost every town. The Thai language came from China as does a lot of the cuisine and of course about 30% of the population can trace their ancestry back China in the 19th century. You will see Chinese cemeteries everywhere you go. Many Thai families are bilingual Chinese.
As for the hotels they stay at, the fact is that almost all companies in Thailand have to be 51% Thai owned. The tourist industry from the last few decades originally catered for westerners as they were the biggest sector (after Malaysia) So both private and multinational catered in general for Westerners. With the exponential growth of Chinese visitor numbers (now nearly 50%) the number of hotels catering for Chinese has obviously grown.
In fact in my travels round Thailand I often stay at hotels built in the 1970s or 1970s that clearly were designed with Thai and Chinese in mind over westerners
Of course with many businesses run by Thai/Chinese, setting up a Hotel aimed at the Chinese market is a lot easier than for westerners there was no language problem for a start..... and food was easier.
However many 4 and 5 star hotels in tourist areas now rely on big spending, high class Chinese tourists as the mainstay of their business.
So it is little wonder that China will be looked upon as the saviour of the Thai tourist industry.
They also have Covid under better control

PS - One of the most culturally embarrassing things I ever witnessed in Thailand was an American woman pulling several garlands of flowers off a spirit house and asking "where do I pay for these?"

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Old Oct 5th, 2020, 05:34 AM
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Apparently if your from UK, you don't qualify for an STV.

This application reply to a UK prospect was published on the net yesterday.

although the Thai authorities are selecting countries who can apply the list of these countries is not public yet.



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Old Oct 6th, 2020, 09:18 AM
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It now looks as if this STV scheme is falling flat before even the first tourists arrive.

A group of 150 Chinese tourists heading for Phuket have now been put on hold as there is a meeting on Friday to discuss the finer details........they were meant to arrive on the Thursday....
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Old Oct 6th, 2020, 07:38 PM
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Plz let's not blame the 'western media' for the faults of individuals. And as you may know there is no such thing as the 'media' in china...all emanates from CCP headquarters and the China Daily.
But some chinese folks do use blog sites to tell us what happening with their countrymen. For example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/artnews/chinese-schoolboy-15-exposed-egypt-s-ancient-temple-graffiti-vandal-8633556.html

And IMO, those household shrines seen at most homes and in Thailand are not held in highest esteem but rather only seen as needed to conform. I've seen dozens tossed aside in the ditch, the tiny figures representing the lord/lady/god of the site who normally sit inside the shrine, discarded like used tissues. But always, don't take what isn't given and flowers are widely available near every WAT.

I agree that the HIGH season of 2020/21 will probably only be a very small fraction of recent years. Many countries, including T'land, now tormenting over the health of the population and the widespread economic catastrophe due to total lockdown.

One personal benefit to recent local lack of tourists is the big reduction in golf green fees near Chiang Mai; every course searching for players while still paying staff to keep the fairways mown.
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Old Oct 7th, 2020, 01:35 AM
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Plz let's not blame the 'western media' for the faults of individuals. And as you may know there is no such thing as the 'media' in china...all emanates from CCP headquarters and the China Daily.
But some chinese folks do use blog sites to tell us what happening with their countrymen. For example:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/artnews/chinese-schoolboy-15-exposed-egypt-s-ancient-temple-graffiti-vandal-8633556.html

And IMO, those household shrines seen at most homes and in Thailand are not held in highest esteem but rather only seen as needed to conform. I've seen dozens tossed aside in the ditch, the tiny figures representing the lord/lady/god of the site who normally sit inside the shrine, discarded like used tissues. But always, don't take what isn't given and flowers are widely available near every WAT.

I agree that the HIGH season of 2020/21 will probably only be a very small fraction of recent years. Many countries, including T'land, now tormenting over the health of the population and the widespread economic catastrophe due to total lockdown.

One personal benefit to recent local lack of tourists is the big reduction in golf green fees near Chiang Mai; every course searching for players while still paying staff to keep the fairways mown.

Rally your post is off-topic - it shows a bizarre take on what is or isn't "media" and a lack of understanding is spirit houses and animism in Thai/Chinese culture.
I think this stems from an apparent prejudice against all things Chinese on your part.
It is however at best tangential to this thread which is giving info on the possible changes of tourism opening up in Thailand.
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Old Oct 9th, 2020, 12:52 AM
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So the first tourists appear to have been delyed
""In September, the TAT said some 120 tourists on special long-stay visas would fly directly from Guangzhou to the resort island of Phuket this week, but their travel has been delayed." - the Nation


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Old Oct 20th, 2020, 01:26 AM
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First tourists arrive.

41 tourists have arrived from Shanhai on the STV scheme - they have been whisked offf to their 14 day quarantine "hospitel"10 foreign airlines are offering or about to offer flights into Bangkok's airport.

"Daily flights on Emirates, Qatar (2) and Etihad, Cathay Pacific four times a week, and three per week on Singapore, Lufthansa, Swiss International and Austrian. In addition two flights a week from EVA (Taiwan) will operate from the 25th and KLM will also start" - Thaivisa
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Old Oct 22nd, 2020, 06:45 AM
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Billionaire minister Pipat says that arrivals on the STV from Europe would start next month.
Earlier reports suggested these may be Russians or perhaps Scandinavians
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Old Nov 11th, 2020, 03:12 AM
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So now it would appear that if you want a single entry tourist visa - it is possible... BUT.... you need to have half a million baht in your bank for the last 6 months.Washington

The following qualifications are for applicants who wish to apply for a Tourist visa TR (Single Entry only) IN UK AND USA consulates and embassies

UK
Required documents :

Your passport copy
Travel booking confirmation
Proof of accommodation in Thailand e.g. hotel booking, invitation letter from family or friend in Thailand (All tourists are subject to 14-day quarantined at ASQ hotels at their own expenses.)
UK/Irish bank statements from the past 6 months showing a minimum of £12,800 maintained throughout the past 6 months.
Confirmation of legal residence in the UK or Ireland (if applicants are not nationals of these countries) e.g. long stay visa, residence permit, BRP car
Copy of health insurance policy which covers COVID-19 related medical expenses in Thailand no less than 100,000 USD for the whole period of your stay in Thailand



USA
Non-Thai nationals wishing to enter Thailand for Tourism purposes
Non-Thai nationals with banking account balance no less than $17,000 or 500,000 baht each month for the last six months.
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Old Nov 30th, 2020, 04:48 AM
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no mass tourism till March at the earliest.

Thailand's tourism minister Pipat Ratchakitprakan and the Thai media has poured cold water on plans for quarantine to be scrapped. (PPTV)

Quarantine etc is set to continue at least till then.

People from many countries are still jumping through the hoops necessary in small numbers though.
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Old Dec 5th, 2020, 12:34 PM
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"governor of the Tourism Authority of Thailand said that although Thailand had relaxed entry restrictions for some groups in the past two months, there were only 1,200 international arrivals in October, a far cry from the three million a month prior to the pandemic." Nation
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Thai tourism and all its venues and workers getting crushed by near zero tourists. Even the golf courses which normally jack rates to heaven during high season (now started) remain quiet with reasonable rates. Big resort hotels in every area of Thailand closing down, bankrupt, and workers sent home.

Many farangs prefer life without the tourists and hope Thai tourism, which last year welcomed 40,000,000 persons, can adjust to about 1/4 that rate.

i made a comment in nearby VN thread and can repeat. Probably no big tourist welcome to Thailand unless: have strong proof of Covid vaccine jab, have Covid health insurance, have plenty of $ in bank, and maybe even only 7 day quarantine. Won't be happening soon; late summer 2021, IMO.

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Old Dec 6th, 2020, 02:31 AM
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At present the requirements are pretty clear.
It is also pretty clear that Thailand can't afford to lose 20% of their GDP.
As son as they feel safe they will have to open the floodgates. It will probably be in stages. You can't replace mass tourism with up market as Thailand simply hasn't got the infrastructure or resources, let alone put millions of tourism related workers out of a livelihood. THere'd be derelict buildings everywhere.
It does look like it'll be another year before we can see Thailand as a tourist destination anything like it used to be.....how the current extremely unpopular military based government will cope with this is another matter - a coup against themselves?? That ain't gonna help the economy
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Old Dec 8th, 2020, 11:44 PM
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Open to all...but with restrictions.

"Due to disappointing domestic tourism and the so-called Special Tourist Visaís success in welcoming a whopping 825 tourists (40 million entered in 2019) from 29 countries so far, the government removed the condition that only welcomed those from places at low-risk of COVID, government spokesperson Ratchada Thanadirek said yesterday. "


https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thailand-now-open-to-all-travelers-restrictions-still-apply/?fbclid=IwAR1ChJQxGkxq3p3cQl3yyYKkgzFEGvYJuNlX9s4z X_tec60uOLifO8qlDhU


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Old Dec 13th, 2020, 09:14 PM
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List of

Visa free countries.

This list is from the Thai Embassy in Abu Dhabi....


Cert of entry and quarantine still required.
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Old Dec 19th, 2020, 02:46 PM
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500 new covid cases - the biggest one day rise EVER in Thailand. That doesn't bode well for welcoming foreigners........
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Belief is that the recent outbreak of Covid in Samut Sakon due to migrant workers from Myanmar (Burma). Since nearly all are young and healthy sickness will be minimal.
But it does point out how rapidly and widespread a positive Covid test can zoom thru the city and province.

Every public building i go in CM finds everyone wearing masks, even kids hardly able to walk, and most entrances have body temp checks.

No mask, or high temp = no entry.
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