Tibet route to Kyrgyzstan via Xinjiang?
Dec 18th, 2008, 04:26 PM
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Probably most of the questions posted in the various forums are genuine, as are the replies, so it's a real shame when someone like this OP not only asks fake questions, but Fodorites really try to be of help - even with the most outlandish questions. This OP is posting on all the Fodor boards - always with lengthy, tedious, and often very odd questions.
The postings are in such short succession, there's no possible way he/she could be in so many parts of the world in such a small frame of time.
Further, I have not found one posting by OP in which he/she actually OFFERS any information, supporting the speculation that it's all a big hoax.
The postings are in such short succession, there's no possible way he/she could be in so many parts of the world in such a small frame of time.
Further, I have not found one posting by OP in which he/she actually OFFERS any information, supporting the speculation that it's all a big hoax.
Dec 18th, 2008, 05:38 PM
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Some of you are really dumb, and you think I have to be in that part of the world to ask about it, and if you think my questions are strange, it just means you are boring, because you couldn't dream of answering such exciting questions. Just face it, I am way ahead of you, and you can't take it, so you break it. Really, all you do is follow me around, and destroy my topics with your non-sense about who I am, and if I am real or not. Really pathetic considering other people, who don't bother contributing to your conspiracy gossip actually miss on reading answers, that only Peter cares to give, since a bunch of you take up space, and hijack the thread, leaving no room for anyone to answer, or discuss the topic.
If only this place had a moderator, I think some of you would be kicked off in a heartbeat. I of course, will always be here pointing you scounderls out, from the real travelers, and helpers.
And so what if I don't answer questions, maybe I don't have answers to give.
And there's no such thing as a wierd question in the world of never ending travel. If you can't handle me, don't respond to my threads.
If only this place had a moderator, I think some of you would be kicked off in a heartbeat. I of course, will always be here pointing you scounderls out, from the real travelers, and helpers.
And so what if I don't answer questions, maybe I don't have answers to give.
And there's no such thing as a wierd question in the world of never ending travel. If you can't handle me, don't respond to my threads.
Dec 18th, 2008, 05:46 PM
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Do you see 'Persecuting Other Posters' as the subject at the top of this page, or do you see 'Asia'?
If you actually read the postings you will see that many are enquiries about travel months from now, and a clear sequence of countries is presented, sometimes with queries obviously intended to help choose one of several possible routes. No one who has already professed comprehensive ignorance of Central Asia (in a posting above) is in much of a position to comment on the real-world viability of the routes under discussion.
And what is a 'fake' question? Nothing the OP has asked here is out of the ordinary except in terms of your own apparently limited horizons. There's no question that hasn't been asked in travel forums before, and no answer that might not be of use to others (as some have come forward to say). Once again, do you realise you're not alone here? And if there were no actual intention to travel would that somehow remove meaning from questions or answers?
The outlandishness and oddity of the questions are in your own mind only, and your dislike of their style (some of which I would be prepared to share) is no evidence to support your proposition that the postings are 'fake'.
Nor does the observation that the OP offers no one else any help offer any support for the conclusion that 'it's all a big hoax'. (And it would anyway be a very small hoax at best.) Perhaps you haven't noticed that exchange on the Internet is characterised by a few giving a lot of answers to the many, and nor is this much of a surprise, if you give it the slightest thought.
If you consider the OP to be a troll (however you can engineer this from the asking of perfectly sensible travel questions) then, in the standard phrase, the answer is not to feed him. But then you've said nothing on-topic at all, have you?
This board is for the discussion of travel in Asia, not speculating unpleasantly about others who post.
For heaven's sake just give it a rest.
If you actually read the postings you will see that many are enquiries about travel months from now, and a clear sequence of countries is presented, sometimes with queries obviously intended to help choose one of several possible routes. No one who has already professed comprehensive ignorance of Central Asia (in a posting above) is in much of a position to comment on the real-world viability of the routes under discussion.
And what is a 'fake' question? Nothing the OP has asked here is out of the ordinary except in terms of your own apparently limited horizons. There's no question that hasn't been asked in travel forums before, and no answer that might not be of use to others (as some have come forward to say). Once again, do you realise you're not alone here? And if there were no actual intention to travel would that somehow remove meaning from questions or answers?
The outlandishness and oddity of the questions are in your own mind only, and your dislike of their style (some of which I would be prepared to share) is no evidence to support your proposition that the postings are 'fake'.
Nor does the observation that the OP offers no one else any help offer any support for the conclusion that 'it's all a big hoax'. (And it would anyway be a very small hoax at best.) Perhaps you haven't noticed that exchange on the Internet is characterised by a few giving a lot of answers to the many, and nor is this much of a surprise, if you give it the slightest thought.
If you consider the OP to be a troll (however you can engineer this from the asking of perfectly sensible travel questions) then, in the standard phrase, the answer is not to feed him. But then you've said nothing on-topic at all, have you?
This board is for the discussion of travel in Asia, not speculating unpleasantly about others who post.
For heaven's sake just give it a rest.
Dec 18th, 2008, 06:14 PM
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Shoeman's arrogance is only surpassed by Shoeman's ignorance. And perhaps Shoeman's naïvété.
I have no problem with anyone traveling anywhere in the world asking legitimate questions and getting the best answers possible. I've been answering questions (and posting trip reports) on travel boards for more than a decade. It's a wonderful thing how that works.
Perhaps that's why I can smell a rat.
There comes a time on every travel board where someone shows up purely to take advantage of and waste people's time. This is that moment. I don't know about the rest of you, but aside from my many yearly travels I run a business, have two college-age kids to deal with over the holidays, am writing a book, have an elderly parent to care for, and just have the usual stuff we all have to deal with. Spending time answering questions from some self-proclaimed morally superior nomadic twitso who really isn't actually traveling anywhere is NOT a valuable use of my or anyone else's time. If YOU think it's a valuable use of YOUR time, please continue. Just know you are probably contributing to either a guy who is illegally traveling around the world or who is getting paid to travel and report on stuff when he actually isn't doing the traveling (perhaps both, actually).
If Peter wants to waste his time with this, GO FOR IT! The argument that it's useful information for ANYONE is half-baked, because not ANYONE asked this, only the renegade scofflaw Sandy did. But do as you wish.
Oh, and Shoeman himself said he doesn't need this board, so why in hell would anyone bother to respond when he's said that? Let him go to the few places he hasn't been banned from yet to get his info for his mythical travels.
There are so many legitimate people here asking for help. I don't understand why folks would just be so generous as to help a guy who is actively trying to break the law (and go to the Europe board for links to many threads that show that that is exactly what he is up to if you think I'm mad).
I have no problem with anyone traveling anywhere in the world asking legitimate questions and getting the best answers possible. I've been answering questions (and posting trip reports) on travel boards for more than a decade. It's a wonderful thing how that works.
Perhaps that's why I can smell a rat.
There comes a time on every travel board where someone shows up purely to take advantage of and waste people's time. This is that moment. I don't know about the rest of you, but aside from my many yearly travels I run a business, have two college-age kids to deal with over the holidays, am writing a book, have an elderly parent to care for, and just have the usual stuff we all have to deal with. Spending time answering questions from some self-proclaimed morally superior nomadic twitso who really isn't actually traveling anywhere is NOT a valuable use of my or anyone else's time. If YOU think it's a valuable use of YOUR time, please continue. Just know you are probably contributing to either a guy who is illegally traveling around the world or who is getting paid to travel and report on stuff when he actually isn't doing the traveling (perhaps both, actually).
If Peter wants to waste his time with this, GO FOR IT! The argument that it's useful information for ANYONE is half-baked, because not ANYONE asked this, only the renegade scofflaw Sandy did. But do as you wish.
Oh, and Shoeman himself said he doesn't need this board, so why in hell would anyone bother to respond when he's said that? Let him go to the few places he hasn't been banned from yet to get his info for his mythical travels.
There are so many legitimate people here asking for help. I don't understand why folks would just be so generous as to help a guy who is actively trying to break the law (and go to the Europe board for links to many threads that show that that is exactly what he is up to if you think I'm mad).
Dec 18th, 2008, 06:48 PM
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> If Peter wants to waste his time with this, GO FOR IT! The argument that it's useful information for ANYONE is half-baked, because not ANYONE asked this, only the renegade scofflaw Sandy did. But do as you wish.
The 'half-baked'-ness lies in wasting time making a posting that's completely devoid of fresh argument to support the (anyway irrelevant) proposition that the OP is not actually travelling, entirely off-topic for this board, and yet that complains about not having enough time to post.
It's a simple enough proposition that the answers to any particular individual question are seen by very many pairs of eyes indeed. This is so obvious (and so definitely not 'half-baked') that it doesn't need any worked examples, although as it happens Thursdaysd has already mentioned that answers to the OP's queries on the topic of crossing certain Central Asia borders were of interest to her.
It's an equally simple proposition that this board is for the discussion of travel in Asia, and that 'Listen everybody about how I'm such a busy person with no time to post' is not related to that topic.
The OP's questions, however unfortunate his manner may sometimes be, are specifically about travel in Asia. What he deserves is replies and not the Internet equivalent of a mob with pitchforks and torches. And what this board deserves is more postings that are on-topic, and less that abuse others or amount to no more than speculation about them, even when made by very busy people with children, an elderly parent, a business to run, and a book to write.
The 'half-baked'-ness lies in wasting time making a posting that's completely devoid of fresh argument to support the (anyway irrelevant) proposition that the OP is not actually travelling, entirely off-topic for this board, and yet that complains about not having enough time to post.
It's a simple enough proposition that the answers to any particular individual question are seen by very many pairs of eyes indeed. This is so obvious (and so definitely not 'half-baked') that it doesn't need any worked examples, although as it happens Thursdaysd has already mentioned that answers to the OP's queries on the topic of crossing certain Central Asia borders were of interest to her.
It's an equally simple proposition that this board is for the discussion of travel in Asia, and that 'Listen everybody about how I'm such a busy person with no time to post' is not related to that topic.
The OP's questions, however unfortunate his manner may sometimes be, are specifically about travel in Asia. What he deserves is replies and not the Internet equivalent of a mob with pitchforks and torches. And what this board deserves is more postings that are on-topic, and less that abuse others or amount to no more than speculation about them, even when made by very busy people with children, an elderly parent, a business to run, and a book to write.
Dec 20th, 2008, 08:11 AM
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I, for one, won't respond to queries from someone who posts merely to abuse, and who can thus hardly complain if abuse is received in return.
The topic of this forum, as it clearly says at the top, is 'Asia', not other people nor their books, nor others' theories. If you expect to be taken seriously and given only courteous, informative replies, then stay on-topic and courteous yourself.
I suggest this thread is abandoned (and, preferably, deleted) and that any further genuine travel queries appear under a fresh heading.
The topic of this forum, as it clearly says at the top, is 'Asia', not other people nor their books, nor others' theories. If you expect to be taken seriously and given only courteous, informative replies, then stay on-topic and courteous yourself.
I suggest this thread is abandoned (and, preferably, deleted) and that any further genuine travel queries appear under a fresh heading.
Dec 20th, 2008, 09:56 AM
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These remarks have no more dignity, intelligence, or relevance to the topic of this forum than the OP's choice of making a posting simply to attack StCirq, and add no support whatsoever to the unfounded accusations of the mob.
Queries about travel in Asia deserve answers in kind, and not off-topic persecution, or unpleasant remarks about anyone else. This is merely further unwarranted abuse of the forum and its users, neither better nor worse than abuse by others, and does not belong here.
This is a forum for the discussion of travel in Asia, not for remarks addressing or abusing others, or speculating grubbily about who supports or defends whom. What is in need of defence is the forum itself from off-topic and impertinent postings whoever makes them.
No one who posts solely to conduct little personal chit-chats speculating about or abusing others is in any position to complain about abuse by them (and especially not imaginary abuse).
Queries about travel in Asia deserve answers in kind, and not off-topic persecution, or unpleasant remarks about anyone else. This is merely further unwarranted abuse of the forum and its users, neither better nor worse than abuse by others, and does not belong here.
This is a forum for the discussion of travel in Asia, not for remarks addressing or abusing others, or speculating grubbily about who supports or defends whom. What is in need of defence is the forum itself from off-topic and impertinent postings whoever makes them.
No one who posts solely to conduct little personal chit-chats speculating about or abusing others is in any position to complain about abuse by them (and especially not imaginary abuse).
Dec 20th, 2008, 12:54 PM
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Oh, Peter, Peter, Peter - you just don't get it, do you?
Stop for minute and think. Stop huffing and puffing. Stop this barrage of verbiage. Then look in the mirror. What do you see? Can you detect the faint shadow of foolishness that will not wash off?
You go on and on about 'what this Forum IS' - well, Peter, I think you're getting confused. I think it's YOUR forum you're talking about. This is a different one. You can be General Haig in YOUR Forum. You can run it any way you like.
But this isn't YOUR Forum. We live here too - and YOUR rules don't necessarily apply. No matter how much you think they should - they don't. You can produce chapter and verse from your rule books - imaginary or real - but nothing will alter the fact that this place has its OWN dynamic.
Sandy is like a fungal irritation. You have to deal with them quick or they spread. This Forum - the body corporate - has endeavoured to rid itself of the disease while YOU, in your supreme wisdom, have encouraged it.
I fear that all Sandy has really done - with your enthusiastic participation - is make a fool of you.
Now that's a shame. You deserve better.
Stop for minute and think. Stop huffing and puffing. Stop this barrage of verbiage. Then look in the mirror. What do you see? Can you detect the faint shadow of foolishness that will not wash off?
You go on and on about 'what this Forum IS' - well, Peter, I think you're getting confused. I think it's YOUR forum you're talking about. This is a different one. You can be General Haig in YOUR Forum. You can run it any way you like.
But this isn't YOUR Forum. We live here too - and YOUR rules don't necessarily apply. No matter how much you think they should - they don't. You can produce chapter and verse from your rule books - imaginary or real - but nothing will alter the fact that this place has its OWN dynamic.
Sandy is like a fungal irritation. You have to deal with them quick or they spread. This Forum - the body corporate - has endeavoured to rid itself of the disease while YOU, in your supreme wisdom, have encouraged it.
I fear that all Sandy has really done - with your enthusiastic participation - is make a fool of you.
Now that's a shame. You deserve better.
Dec 20th, 2008, 01:56 PM
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Sandy has posed questions about travel in Asia, which is the topic of this forum as defined by its owner.
My replies have answered those questions, while yours and those of several others, have consisted of nothing but a petty malevolence unpleasant to see, completely off-topic, resembling the behaviour of playground gangs, and unbecoming to adults. This, not giving straight answers to entirely reasonable queries about Asia travel for the benefit of the wider audience of this site (whose interests are clearly of no matter to you), is the 'fungal infection'.
This forum needs a lot more postings of the kind originally posted by Sandy, which follow Fodor's poorly enforced guidelines, and a lot less of the childish delinquency seen above, which does not.
Self-important expressions of like or dislike for any other poster, or opinions on the intentions underlying their postings, are of little interest to the myriad other readers of this site, even if they were in any way appropriate to start with.
If you don't like other posters, simply leave them alone. This attempt to treat a public forum as your own personal sandpit and to organise gangs to drive away whoever you take a dislike to is disgraceful, entirely misplaced, and very ugly to observe.
My replies have answered those questions, while yours and those of several others, have consisted of nothing but a petty malevolence unpleasant to see, completely off-topic, resembling the behaviour of playground gangs, and unbecoming to adults. This, not giving straight answers to entirely reasonable queries about Asia travel for the benefit of the wider audience of this site (whose interests are clearly of no matter to you), is the 'fungal infection'.
This forum needs a lot more postings of the kind originally posted by Sandy, which follow Fodor's poorly enforced guidelines, and a lot less of the childish delinquency seen above, which does not.
Self-important expressions of like or dislike for any other poster, or opinions on the intentions underlying their postings, are of little interest to the myriad other readers of this site, even if they were in any way appropriate to start with.
If you don't like other posters, simply leave them alone. This attempt to treat a public forum as your own personal sandpit and to organise gangs to drive away whoever you take a dislike to is disgraceful, entirely misplaced, and very ugly to observe.
Dec 20th, 2008, 02:02 PM
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Posters like sandy456 (aka shoeman and who know what all else) come into a peaceful village such as our with the intent to inflame and turn neighbor against neighbor and then disappear.
We were not like this before him/her and we should not allow a rouge poster to do this to us in the future.
We were not like this before him/her and we should not allow a rouge poster to do this to us in the future.
Dec 20th, 2008, 02:10 PM
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No one forces you to post anything at all in response to anyone. The questions here have been entirely reasonable, and the fracas has been entirely of your own making because you refuse to leave ordinary travel queries alone.
You, not Sandy, are the problem, and your attempt, as with others' postings, to suggest that you have some kind of group support for your behaviour which makes this your sandbox and you somehow superior to all the other individual readers of this site who want to have nothing to do with your off-topic petty vindictiveness, is ridiculous and ill-conceived.
If you don't like a poster, or have nothing constructive or helpful to offer in response to a query, then just leave both poster and query alone. The 'rogue' poster here is not Sandy, but you.
You, not Sandy, are the problem, and your attempt, as with others' postings, to suggest that you have some kind of group support for your behaviour which makes this your sandbox and you somehow superior to all the other individual readers of this site who want to have nothing to do with your off-topic petty vindictiveness, is ridiculous and ill-conceived.
If you don't like a poster, or have nothing constructive or helpful to offer in response to a query, then just leave both poster and query alone. The 'rogue' poster here is not Sandy, but you.
Dec 20th, 2008, 03:02 PM
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> Did I miss the memo where someone died and made Peter Hall Monitor?
Did I miss the one that said you were allowed to decide who might post travel queries unmolested and who might not?
> Go to the Europe forum and read OP's Oslo Gardermoen airport "question" AND the 200+ replies. Your persective may change.
And in what way would that change the fact that the perfectly straightforward travel query opening this thread could have been equally straightforwardly answered and none of the bile on display here need have been seen at all had you and others not chosen to put it here?
Did I miss the one that said you were allowed to decide who might post travel queries unmolested and who might not?
> Go to the Europe forum and read OP's Oslo Gardermoen airport "question" AND the 200+ replies. Your persective may change.
And in what way would that change the fact that the perfectly straightforward travel query opening this thread could have been equally straightforwardly answered and none of the bile on display here need have been seen at all had you and others not chosen to put it here?
Dec 20th, 2008, 05:01 PM
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