Mao Mausoleum Tiananmen Beijing
May 25th, 2010, 09:23 AM
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Peter -- it is nice to keep things pleasant. While Sylvia did refer to your comments as arrogant and pompous, you on the other hand previously made unflattering comments in regard to her daughter (a student in China) being pick pocketed twice, seeming to blame the victim more than the criminal. So, in the interest of fairness all around, let's indeed stick to logic and facts.
May 25th, 2010, 10:09 AM
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Indeed, let's stick to the logic and facts of travel in Asia, and not to posting what we think of other posters, which is impertinent, irrelevant, tedious to read, and off-topic.
It also helps to read the posts if you're going to join in. No one has 'blamed the victim more than the criminal,' but merely pointed out that no convincing case has been made for regarding China as particularly dangerous for theft, which in general statistics and long experience show it not to be for anyone who shows basic common sense caution. While only the thief is to blame, we nevertheless have to bare some responsibility for putting our valuables in safe places and keeping an eye on them, which it was stated was not done in this case. To misquote Lady Bracknell, to lose one set of documents may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness. The same simple caution you would show at home at bus stations and airports is all that's necessary to avoid distress.
Those intending to travel to China need to understand there is no case here for presenting China as peculiarly dangerous (it is not), no case for breaking the law (very ill-advised), and no grounds for descending to abuse or discussing other posters (both of which are logically without merit. Stick to the topic in hand.)
Peter N-H
It also helps to read the posts if you're going to join in. No one has 'blamed the victim more than the criminal,' but merely pointed out that no convincing case has been made for regarding China as particularly dangerous for theft, which in general statistics and long experience show it not to be for anyone who shows basic common sense caution. While only the thief is to blame, we nevertheless have to bare some responsibility for putting our valuables in safe places and keeping an eye on them, which it was stated was not done in this case. To misquote Lady Bracknell, to lose one set of documents may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness. The same simple caution you would show at home at bus stations and airports is all that's necessary to avoid distress.
Those intending to travel to China need to understand there is no case here for presenting China as peculiarly dangerous (it is not), no case for breaking the law (very ill-advised), and no grounds for descending to abuse or discussing other posters (both of which are logically without merit. Stick to the topic in hand.)
Peter N-H
May 25th, 2010, 10:16 AM
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Au contraire, I argued that she was very lucky indeed not to have had her passport on her person at the time(s) she was robbed. In two different cities. By two different non-criminal Chinese. Guess it must have been a tour guide that did it, cause they're the only dishonest people in the entire country of 1.3 billion!
May 25th, 2010, 10:20 AM
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"bare some responsibility for putting our valuables in safe places and keeping an eye on them, which it was stated was not done in this case"
BTW, it's just where did you get the notion that I "stated" she did not keep her eye on her valuables? Luckily, her passport WAS in a safe place. Her room safe. And, after being in several throngs of tightly massed people in several places (people who have a different concept entirely of personal body space), I am very grateful not to have been relieved of valuables, myself.
BTW, it's just where did you get the notion that I "stated" she did not keep her eye on her valuables? Luckily, her passport WAS in a safe place. Her room safe. And, after being in several throngs of tightly massed people in several places (people who have a different concept entirely of personal body space), I am very grateful not to have been relieved of valuables, myself.
