Long Flights...what tricks have you come up with to make it easier??
Dec 10th, 2007, 08:46 PM
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For the OP, the 60-day NW WorldClub trial membership at $85 is a very good deal, as they can use it many times on this trip alone, at every airport they visit DTW, SEA, NRT and BKK.
And it sounds like the OP fly NW quite often anyways, so within that 60 days, they may use it again.
Excellent suggestion by KimJapan!
And it sounds like the OP fly NW quite often anyways, so within that 60 days, they may use it again.
Excellent suggestion by KimJapan!
Dec 10th, 2007, 11:52 PM
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Some things I never travel long-haul without:
1. Socks, good thick cotton ones. Remove your shoes as soon as you can after take off and leave them off for the flight. Socks are great, you can even go into the bathroom with them on. As noted above, they also make hose for deep vein thrombosis, if that is an issue for you, you might look into those.
2. A shawl. I find planes freezing and am not crazy about the airplane blankets, plus I usually want two anyway, so I use the airplane blanket for my legs and my nice cashmere shawl to keep my shoulders and upper body warm (can also cover your head to block out light.)
3. Earplugs AND then noise reducing headphones. Gives you almost total silence. On long haul, the noise of the aircraft gets to you after a while, not to mention your neighbors snoring or talking, etc. If you don't want to buy noise reducing headphones, try to borrow someone's as they really make a huge, huge difference to the enjoyment of a flight, IMO, as you don't realize how wearing that constant humming noise of the aircraft is. Also, on my last flight back to the US, the guy behind me coughed literally every 2 minutes for most the 15-hour flight (well, at least I noticed it for the parts during which I did not have my headphones on), so there are terrific for that. Some people like those neck pillows, again in economy where the headrests do not fold in, this type of pillow may be very useful.
4. An ipod, extra battery pack, and charger. In economy, you may not have an in-seat charger, so check on this, and if not, the extra battery pack may come in handy. You can also charge on the layovers, look for plugs, make sure you have an adaptor esp. for Japan which uses different ones than the rest of Asia. (Same is true for laptops and DVD players; even in business class many older aircraft do not yet have in-seat chargers and/or the right plug configuration. United still has the really old fashioned kind, I don't even carry that kind of adaptor plug anymore.)
5. Chapstick and small bottle of hand cream. (Can't bring large liquid bottles on board). Agree on the nasal spray. Eye drops may be a good idea too, depending on whether you suffer from dry eyes, they make single dose ones that are tiny and pack easily.
6. Eyeshades. I actually use these in hotel rooms more than on planes but it is nice to have them if you want to sleep while all the lights are on.
7. Reading material. I like the paperback-you-can-give-away idea above if you don't want to lug books around. In addition to books, I bring journal articles and professional mags that I have been building up over time and I can dump as I go along on the flight.
8. Tylenol PM is helpful, or as you say any kind of antihistamine (that's what's in Tylenol PM) that makes you drowsy and just a bit relaxed. Good for the first night or two as well, esp. as you may find yourself waking up at 3 am and having trouble getting back to sleep.
9. Wear a sweater or jacket with pockets. You will be going through security several times and will have to show tickets and most likely a passport at several points when boarding and at Immigration in Thailand. To have to open a purse or briefcase (which may in fact be going through the X-ray at that time) is a pain. I find that I am often asked to remove a suit jacket at security, but am rarely asked to remove a sweater, so I almost always travel wearing a long sweater with pockets. A sweater also does not wrinkle and is warmer and more comfortable than a jacket. The pockets hold the chapstick and hand cream during the flight too.
10. Don't wear big earrings, they are hard to sleep in and uncomfortable with the headphones.
I agree on the not worrying about whether you get sleep or not, as long as you are relaxing and resting that should be fine. I generally only get about 3-4 hours sleep on long haul flights back to the US, on a really good flight I might get 6, but it never really is an issue for me on the arrival end. The big thing is to try to get a good night sleep the first night and second. As you arrive at midnight the first night, IMO this will be a little tricky. By the time you get to your hotel, it will probably be around 1:30 am or 2 am. You will be a bit wound up, will need to shower, etc, so you probably won't get to sleep until 3 am. Even in the quietest hotels, you will hear noise in the morning (that is where the earplugs will come in handy again, and close the blinds completely). I agree that you should not try to run around too much on the first day, and defiantly try to get to bed at an early hour and get in a full 8 hours or more if you can on that second night. This will help the most, IMO.
1. Socks, good thick cotton ones. Remove your shoes as soon as you can after take off and leave them off for the flight. Socks are great, you can even go into the bathroom with them on. As noted above, they also make hose for deep vein thrombosis, if that is an issue for you, you might look into those.
2. A shawl. I find planes freezing and am not crazy about the airplane blankets, plus I usually want two anyway, so I use the airplane blanket for my legs and my nice cashmere shawl to keep my shoulders and upper body warm (can also cover your head to block out light.)
3. Earplugs AND then noise reducing headphones. Gives you almost total silence. On long haul, the noise of the aircraft gets to you after a while, not to mention your neighbors snoring or talking, etc. If you don't want to buy noise reducing headphones, try to borrow someone's as they really make a huge, huge difference to the enjoyment of a flight, IMO, as you don't realize how wearing that constant humming noise of the aircraft is. Also, on my last flight back to the US, the guy behind me coughed literally every 2 minutes for most the 15-hour flight (well, at least I noticed it for the parts during which I did not have my headphones on), so there are terrific for that. Some people like those neck pillows, again in economy where the headrests do not fold in, this type of pillow may be very useful.
4. An ipod, extra battery pack, and charger. In economy, you may not have an in-seat charger, so check on this, and if not, the extra battery pack may come in handy. You can also charge on the layovers, look for plugs, make sure you have an adaptor esp. for Japan which uses different ones than the rest of Asia. (Same is true for laptops and DVD players; even in business class many older aircraft do not yet have in-seat chargers and/or the right plug configuration. United still has the really old fashioned kind, I don't even carry that kind of adaptor plug anymore.)
5. Chapstick and small bottle of hand cream. (Can't bring large liquid bottles on board). Agree on the nasal spray. Eye drops may be a good idea too, depending on whether you suffer from dry eyes, they make single dose ones that are tiny and pack easily.
6. Eyeshades. I actually use these in hotel rooms more than on planes but it is nice to have them if you want to sleep while all the lights are on.
7. Reading material. I like the paperback-you-can-give-away idea above if you don't want to lug books around. In addition to books, I bring journal articles and professional mags that I have been building up over time and I can dump as I go along on the flight.
8. Tylenol PM is helpful, or as you say any kind of antihistamine (that's what's in Tylenol PM) that makes you drowsy and just a bit relaxed. Good for the first night or two as well, esp. as you may find yourself waking up at 3 am and having trouble getting back to sleep.
9. Wear a sweater or jacket with pockets. You will be going through security several times and will have to show tickets and most likely a passport at several points when boarding and at Immigration in Thailand. To have to open a purse or briefcase (which may in fact be going through the X-ray at that time) is a pain. I find that I am often asked to remove a suit jacket at security, but am rarely asked to remove a sweater, so I almost always travel wearing a long sweater with pockets. A sweater also does not wrinkle and is warmer and more comfortable than a jacket. The pockets hold the chapstick and hand cream during the flight too.
10. Don't wear big earrings, they are hard to sleep in and uncomfortable with the headphones.
I agree on the not worrying about whether you get sleep or not, as long as you are relaxing and resting that should be fine. I generally only get about 3-4 hours sleep on long haul flights back to the US, on a really good flight I might get 6, but it never really is an issue for me on the arrival end. The big thing is to try to get a good night sleep the first night and second. As you arrive at midnight the first night, IMO this will be a little tricky. By the time you get to your hotel, it will probably be around 1:30 am or 2 am. You will be a bit wound up, will need to shower, etc, so you probably won't get to sleep until 3 am. Even in the quietest hotels, you will hear noise in the morning (that is where the earplugs will come in handy again, and close the blinds completely). I agree that you should not try to run around too much on the first day, and defiantly try to get to bed at an early hour and get in a full 8 hours or more if you can on that second night. This will help the most, IMO.
Dec 11th, 2007, 03:39 AM
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What good and timely advice.
We too are on the flight from Seattle to Narita to Bangkok next week.
Ambien CR
You can get a free 7 day prescription on-line now; these pills are over $3.00 each so they are only for travel. If you only take them for long flights, they are great.
For sure, wear elastic stockings to prevent blood clots. I always thought they were only for OLD FOLK but they really make your legs feel great.
Eye shades, ear plugs or good ear phones, and my latest trick is something I got at Magellans or TravelSmith. It's like a woopy cushion. It's a self inflating air cushion that really makes your 'sit upon' on those long flights feel a whole lot better and it takes up very little room deflated in your carryon.
We also always order special meals whenever we can - FRUIT PLATTERS staying away from the highly salted tv dinners they serve on board. You want all the liquid you can get on the plane.
HEYMO, who you traveling with? We are taking our first OAT to Thailand next week.
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We too are on the flight from Seattle to Narita to Bangkok next week.
Ambien CR
You can get a free 7 day prescription on-line now; these pills are over $3.00 each so they are only for travel. If you only take them for long flights, they are great.
For sure, wear elastic stockings to prevent blood clots. I always thought they were only for OLD FOLK but they really make your legs feel great.
Eye shades, ear plugs or good ear phones, and my latest trick is something I got at Magellans or TravelSmith. It's like a woopy cushion. It's a self inflating air cushion that really makes your 'sit upon' on those long flights feel a whole lot better and it takes up very little room deflated in your carryon.
We also always order special meals whenever we can - FRUIT PLATTERS staying away from the highly salted tv dinners they serve on board. You want all the liquid you can get on the plane.
HEYMO, who you traveling with? We are taking our first OAT to Thailand next week.
Email: [email protected]
Dec 11th, 2007, 04:12 AM
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Just arrived home yesterday from 5 weeks in Thailand. Did the NW flights connecting in Tokyo both ways. I was surprised how little impact the time change had on us when we arrived in BKK at midnight. Guess the buzz of a new adventure keeps one going. We did, however, schedule a light first day and started touring with Tong on day two.
You will love Bangkok 8. I also liked Bangkok Tatoo. They are gritty detective stories, but with a wicked sense of humor, a little Thai lifestyle and culture, lots of asides to "farangs" and are engaging enough to keep you happy for several hours on a plane.
The best thing I took....<b>blow up pillow</b>. Even in Business Class the seats don't quite conform to my body and the blow up pillows really help to support back, cradle head or lift knees into better positions. Take two or three.
We also use Tylenol PM to sleep without feeling groggy the next day.
I'm not sure the trial membership to World Clubs will do you much good, as the connect time in Tokyo is so quick there's little time to use the Club. Both Tokyo and Bangkok airports are huge shopping centers -- lots of diversion.
One thing I really appreciated was having a car and driver waiting for us at BKK, it was so, so nice to walk out of Customs to find someone to shepard us through the crowds and into a waiting car for the ride to the city.
Assume you will depart on the 6AM flight home also, if so, I highly recommend spending the night at airport Novotel in BKK. It is a wonderful hotel with perfect service to get you to the airport on time. At 2AM, I didn't want any snags.
You will love Bangkok 8. I also liked Bangkok Tatoo. They are gritty detective stories, but with a wicked sense of humor, a little Thai lifestyle and culture, lots of asides to "farangs" and are engaging enough to keep you happy for several hours on a plane.
The best thing I took....<b>blow up pillow</b>. Even in Business Class the seats don't quite conform to my body and the blow up pillows really help to support back, cradle head or lift knees into better positions. Take two or three.
We also use Tylenol PM to sleep without feeling groggy the next day.
I'm not sure the trial membership to World Clubs will do you much good, as the connect time in Tokyo is so quick there's little time to use the Club. Both Tokyo and Bangkok airports are huge shopping centers -- lots of diversion.
One thing I really appreciated was having a car and driver waiting for us at BKK, it was so, so nice to walk out of Customs to find someone to shepard us through the crowds and into a waiting car for the ride to the city.
Assume you will depart on the 6AM flight home also, if so, I highly recommend spending the night at airport Novotel in BKK. It is a wonderful hotel with perfect service to get you to the airport on time. At 2AM, I didn't want any snags.
Dec 11th, 2007, 04:13 AM
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Our absolute requirements for long haul flights:
Food. Our own. Regardless of the airline we've never had a great meal in the air (though we haven't flown first much). Between the sodium content, the heavy sauces and the huge amount of calories, we opt for our own. In addition to getting what we want, it actually gives us something to look forward to, as in "when are we opening the sandwiches?" Among some items we've brought along: a frittata (travels great), tuna/turkey sandwiches (sliced tomato wrapped separately), mozzarella balls, cold pasta salads. Yogurts, apples, a bag of pretzels, a Toblerone bar, and who knows what else.
Travel pants. In addition to ditching our shoes as soon as the flt departs, we all bring comfy sweat pants or the like. At 12+ hours flight time fashion goes out the window. The travel pants go on as soon as the fasten seat belt light comes off. They make a huge difference in our comfort level, and ability to contort ourselves into some comfortable position. Our "street" pants come back on shortly before landing.
The one other tip: try not to look at your watch, or the "time to destination" on the AVOD display. The old maxim is true: time passes much more slowly when you watch it. I try to go as long as I can before even checking my watch. That, and finally recognizing you've gone "half way" and you are now on the tail end of the flight is something that makes a difference.
Food. Our own. Regardless of the airline we've never had a great meal in the air (though we haven't flown first much). Between the sodium content, the heavy sauces and the huge amount of calories, we opt for our own. In addition to getting what we want, it actually gives us something to look forward to, as in "when are we opening the sandwiches?" Among some items we've brought along: a frittata (travels great), tuna/turkey sandwiches (sliced tomato wrapped separately), mozzarella balls, cold pasta salads. Yogurts, apples, a bag of pretzels, a Toblerone bar, and who knows what else.
Travel pants. In addition to ditching our shoes as soon as the flt departs, we all bring comfy sweat pants or the like. At 12+ hours flight time fashion goes out the window. The travel pants go on as soon as the fasten seat belt light comes off. They make a huge difference in our comfort level, and ability to contort ourselves into some comfortable position. Our "street" pants come back on shortly before landing.
The one other tip: try not to look at your watch, or the "time to destination" on the AVOD display. The old maxim is true: time passes much more slowly when you watch it. I try to go as long as I can before even checking my watch. That, and finally recognizing you've gone "half way" and you are now on the tail end of the flight is something that makes a difference.
Dec 11th, 2007, 04:25 AM
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Tengo..you made me laugh, as I, too, often pack a frittata!
Katherine, I posted a question about those stockings on your other thread, about Ambien.
I have heard that these are the LAST thing that anyone should think about on a long flight, unless one has a doctor's approval..I am talking here about those heavy surgical stockings with the holes in the toes..
Katherine, I posted a question about those stockings on your other thread, about Ambien.
I have heard that these are the LAST thing that anyone should think about on a long flight, unless one has a doctor's approval..I am talking here about those heavy surgical stockings with the holes in the toes..
Dec 11th, 2007, 05:26 AM
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Having just returned from Singapore last week (with a 6 hour flight to Tokyo and a 12 hour flight from Tokyo to Washington Dulles), I understand your concerns. I never sleep well on planes no matter what I do, but my best advice is to go to the back of the plane from time to time for an "exercise session."
The crew didn't mind at all, and we had great fun stretching. I was amazed how much better I felt afterwards. We also met some interesting fellow travelers who joined us in our exercising and the good conversation helped to make the travel less tedious, too.
The crew didn't mind at all, and we had great fun stretching. I was amazed how much better I felt afterwards. We also met some interesting fellow travelers who joined us in our exercising and the good conversation helped to make the travel less tedious, too.
Dec 11th, 2007, 08:28 AM
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Hi There!
I am flying to Bangkok non-stop from JFK in January and have thought a lot about the 17-hour journey - the longest flight I will have ever taken.
On any long flight, I like to have a neck pillow, eye shades (I bought my own and they're heavenly), earplugs, and a cashmere pashmina (airline blankets skeeve me out) for sleeping.
For entertainment, I always bring at least two books - usually novels set in the country/city to which I'm traveling. I pick up a few magazines at the airport and leave them in the seat back pocket for the next passengers. I try to fly airlines that have on-demand movies so that I can watch one or two.
For comfort, I like Evian spray or Burt's Bees Carrot Spray. I have extremely dry skin, so my skin needs serious hydration throughout a long flight. The sprays are about $6.00 and SOOOO lovely and refreshing. Just spritz on your face and neck. Lip balm, moisturizer for face and hands, toothbrush and toothpaste, contact solution and contact case.
I agree with everybody here about just having a great attitude about the trip. I have a very stressful job, so the minute that plane door shuts, I am in heaven! Nobody can contact me and I'm free to catch up on my New Yorkers - the longer time I have to do that, the better!
I am flying to Bangkok non-stop from JFK in January and have thought a lot about the 17-hour journey - the longest flight I will have ever taken.
On any long flight, I like to have a neck pillow, eye shades (I bought my own and they're heavenly), earplugs, and a cashmere pashmina (airline blankets skeeve me out) for sleeping.
For entertainment, I always bring at least two books - usually novels set in the country/city to which I'm traveling. I pick up a few magazines at the airport and leave them in the seat back pocket for the next passengers. I try to fly airlines that have on-demand movies so that I can watch one or two.
For comfort, I like Evian spray or Burt's Bees Carrot Spray. I have extremely dry skin, so my skin needs serious hydration throughout a long flight. The sprays are about $6.00 and SOOOO lovely and refreshing. Just spritz on your face and neck. Lip balm, moisturizer for face and hands, toothbrush and toothpaste, contact solution and contact case.
I agree with everybody here about just having a great attitude about the trip. I have a very stressful job, so the minute that plane door shuts, I am in heaven! Nobody can contact me and I'm free to catch up on my New Yorkers - the longer time I have to do that, the better!
Dec 11th, 2007, 08:47 AM
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I am SO glad I asked about this....I have some really great ideas on how to make the most of our flight to Bangkok.
Katherine- we are not traveling with a group. I booked tong for our time in Bangkok, Sgt. Kai for Chiang Mai, and Ponheary for Siem Reap. While we're in Khao Lak we didn't need any help, we're diving for the most part there.
Katherine- we are not traveling with a group. I booked tong for our time in Bangkok, Sgt. Kai for Chiang Mai, and Ponheary for Siem Reap. While we're in Khao Lak we didn't need any help, we're diving for the most part there.
Dec 11th, 2007, 09:05 AM
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I agree travelday- the minute that plane door shuts I already feel better! I have a high-stress job as weel (I run the in-school suspension at a middle school in Detroit) so the thought of three weeks away from kids is what is getting me through the next two weeks!
Dec 11th, 2007, 09:24 AM
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The bottom line is to just kick back, relax, and don't worry about the time or how long the flight is. For those of us who still work, we're just so happy to be on a plane and headed somewhere until it's all a piece of cake! Happy Travels!
Dec 11th, 2007, 10:14 AM
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Heymo, greetings to a Detroit school teacher from Cass Tech Class of '78 alum. I'm transplanted to Los Angeles, but get back there often as my family still lives there, Corktown and down by the Bridge. Have a great time! I'll be in BKK on Jan 15th!!
Dec 11th, 2007, 05:04 PM
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We did the 16 hour Chicago to Hong Kong flight that turned into 22 hrs in coach and a detour to Beijing and back because of weather.
To psych myself out before the flight I just kept thinking that this is the Saturday I dream about...no housework, yardwork, laundry, etc. Just relaxing in a chair catching up on movies, reading a book, puzzles, long conversations (not with the stranger next to me
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It worked like a charm until hour 18. I really don't remember anything after that until the next night. I can't even tell you how we got to the hotel or what the room looked like!
You'll sleep through the second flight I'm sure.
To psych myself out before the flight I just kept thinking that this is the Saturday I dream about...no housework, yardwork, laundry, etc. Just relaxing in a chair catching up on movies, reading a book, puzzles, long conversations (not with the stranger next to me
)It worked like a charm until hour 18. I really don't remember anything after that until the next night. I can't even tell you how we got to the hotel or what the room looked like!
You'll sleep through the second flight I'm sure.
Dec 11th, 2007, 09:21 PM
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Date: 12/10/2007, 09:30 pm
imo, it will be a big mistake to plan on touring bkk on your first day.....you will be in a fog i fear and will also tire very quickly....lay low that day
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Well, I find it easier to adjust to Thai time by starting the day off early and not sleep the first day. Yeah you may be a little pooped but when you hit the rack at night time you will sleep like a log.
If you sleep a lot on the first day you will find it difficult to sleep that first night and several more nights afterwards.
This doesn't mean you can't catch a quick catnap or even doze a bit when on the tour bus. I think you will be better off trying to make the first day a normal day. Just an opinion.
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imo, it will be a big mistake to plan on touring bkk on your first day.....you will be in a fog i fear and will also tire very quickly....lay low that day
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Well, I find it easier to adjust to Thai time by starting the day off early and not sleep the first day. Yeah you may be a little pooped but when you hit the rack at night time you will sleep like a log.
If you sleep a lot on the first day you will find it difficult to sleep that first night and several more nights afterwards.
This doesn't mean you can't catch a quick catnap or even doze a bit when on the tour bus. I think you will be better off trying to make the first day a normal day. Just an opinion.
Dec 12th, 2007, 01:19 AM
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I have used on many long flights a product called No-Jet-Lag. You can buy it on walgreens.com, amazon.com and drugstore.com .
No-Jet-Lag are homeopathic remedy tablets for jet lag. You take one during take off and 1 every 3 hours during the flight and one when you land.
I have used it on 8 hour flights.
Andrew
No-Jet-Lag are homeopathic remedy tablets for jet lag. You take one during take off and 1 every 3 hours during the flight and one when you land.
I have used it on 8 hour flights.
Andrew
Dec 12th, 2007, 01:49 AM
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Booze, books and make sure you get on the plane as tired as possible.
Walking around as much as possible during stopovers. If you've got access to lounges with showers, having a shower at each stopover.
This next might not be terribly helpful, as you're probably committed already. At a pinch, I'll go economy on long non-stop flights (14 hours+). But I move heaven and earth to go business on a journey involving two long flights. There's always someone offering a deal if you organise your timing right and seriously investigate every possible option.
On really long journeys, even Garuda Indonesia is better when you've got the whole of the front to yourself than even Singapore when you're cramped in the back with hundreds of others.
Walking around as much as possible during stopovers. If you've got access to lounges with showers, having a shower at each stopover.
This next might not be terribly helpful, as you're probably committed already. At a pinch, I'll go economy on long non-stop flights (14 hours+). But I move heaven and earth to go business on a journey involving two long flights. There's always someone offering a deal if you organise your timing right and seriously investigate every possible option.
On really long journeys, even Garuda Indonesia is better when you've got the whole of the front to yourself than even Singapore when you're cramped in the back with hundreds of others.
Dec 12th, 2007, 04:59 AM
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Whoa...WAY too much information there, Bisbee! ha ha ha
I'm with both Sir Halbred and GPanda...we seem to do okay if we get up at a normal time and start the day. When we flew into Egypt last year, by the time we got to the hotel it was 3 A.M. We were able to be up and out of our hotel later that morning by around 10.
A question about the melatonin...I went to a GNC last night. It seems there are two different formulas- regular and time-released. Any idea which is better?
I'm with both Sir Halbred and GPanda...we seem to do okay if we get up at a normal time and start the day. When we flew into Egypt last year, by the time we got to the hotel it was 3 A.M. We were able to be up and out of our hotel later that morning by around 10.
A question about the melatonin...I went to a GNC last night. It seems there are two different formulas- regular and time-released. Any idea which is better?
Dec 12th, 2007, 05:38 AM
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The time release formula not only helps you get to sleep, it helps you stay asleep. Is that better? It really depends on your needs. If you are someone who can get to sleep when you get to your destination at 1 am but then awakens at 4 am, you'd do better with the time release. If you just need the initial jolt of melatonin to get your body clock resest, then the non-time release is fine.
The non-time release works for me, but some people swear by the time release formula.
The non-time release works for me, but some people swear by the time release formula.
