jacketwatch

BTW Guantanamo is a POW camp and not to be confused with passing laws to to legalize torture for rape criminals. SMH.

crellston

So torture doesn't happen in Guantanamo? Unbelievable! Anyway, that's me done. I know it is not my forum but I didn't say it was. Once again, don't bother responding I am done here.

jacketwatch

Well again its not your forum and I will respond when I choose to.
I did not say torture did not happen there. We all know about water boarding. How you inferred that is quite illogical.
I may not be done here.
Cheers, Larry.

emdee

I am of Indian Origin and my personal stance is that I will not visit India. I have told my family that they will have to see me in a neutral place. To me I will not spend my travel $ in a country that treats its women so badly.

I lived in India until I was 27 in Bombay and never had a problem. Used to come home after my lectures at the University of Bombay( down town campus) by bus and taxi at 9 at night and never once felt unsafe.

My Indian family were complaining about Kobragade's cavity search.... all went silent when I said it was better to be cavity searched in the US than to be raped in India.

thursdaysd

Thanks for your post. Would you say that the situation in the cities is worse than it used to be?

jacketwatch

That was a stunning reply. Bravo!

filmwill

Sorry to revive an old thread but I figured this was best as a follow-up.

I came across this tidbit buried in the news today and by jaw is still on the floor:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/03/asia/i...age/index.html

Holy hell, what is WRONG with these men? The word 'monster' comes to mind. And the most alarming thing is: it's an opinion shared by many, many men in India.

Just...wow.

Kathie

I read that, too, Filmwill. Truly appalling.

thursdaysd

Yes, I read it too. Words fail...It really seems that women are regarded as another species. A lesser species. My interest in revisiting India continues to decline.

crosscheck

Horrific beyond words. This story is about to blow up. The producers intend to distribute the film on social media.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/wo...esh-singh.html

There is a discussion on the Times of India's Facebook page that is absolutely mind blowing. Many comments support the censorship because they believe the documentary unfairly defames India and Indian men.

One commenter says, "...stop demonizing men and acknowledge that...women are not sinless...and can be husband beaters." Another says "...80% of the rape cases reported in Delhi are fake." And many are angry that the filmmaker was British - "These people play with our emotions for money."

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crosscheck

Long, heated discussion in the Lounge: http://www.fodors.com/community/fodo...than-a-boy.cfm

jacketwatch

Actually people who show such ignorance demonstrate the acute lack of respect for women in some layers of this culture. I hope this paves the way for a ton of societal reeducation to address this issue. As for the criminals punish them per the full extent of the law.

indianapearl

"India's Daughter" has just been posted on youtube. If you want to see it, do so,quickly as the Indian government has asked youtube to take it down.

filmwill

Thanks for the heads-up on the documentary. I had to stop watching. It was bad enough to see the monsters who committed this justify their despicable cowardice, but to watch those defense attorneys -- who are educated men -- blame the victim simply for being outside her house without her family at night ... I just couldn't. So GD infuriating.

And the fact that India has banned the movie from being seen just makes me feel like the government is just as complicit in her rape.

Absolutely and unequivocally disgusting. For shame.

filmwill

For those that have the strength to watch
http://youtu.be/z8jWYJ5n79s

jacketwatch

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-in-India.html

Now a murderous backlash.

thursdaysd

Wonder how much that has to do with the fact that the accused was a Muslim rather than that he was accused of rape. Horrific either way, of course.

jacketwatch

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/06/asia/i...ing/index.html

Its interesting that in this article its stated that the police had to use minimum force because there were students in uniform in the mob though they were clearly part of the mob and not bystanders. This sounds like an excuse from the police spokesperson to me. In any case it seems there were just too many and insufficient numbers of police to stop this.

The accused was from a Muslim country but I have not seen a report that he is Muslim. Do you see this? However I would imagine that people may have assumed this which added fuel to the fire. This area in India is sort of in the bush so to speak and in places like this the rule of law is tossed out the window.

Violence and murder to women in India has been going on for God knows how long. Some places still practice the dowry system which basically assumes the bride is now a burden to the grooms family so compensation is due. And of course do you recall the many cases of "stoves bursting" and new brides being killed by fire from this supposed accident? Them the groom remarries and gets another dowry.

In my own experience as my wife is Indian I have come across many things and one is a sentiment I have heard from Indian women who say their husbands are spineless, yes spineless, their words or something like that to stand up for their spouses to their parents. We know a couple who is educated, the late hubby being a PhD and her having a masters degree. She complained all the time that she was mentally abused by his parents when they went back for a vacation and he did nothing. Its very sad that even among educated people there is this undertone or attitude that accepts this abuse on no matter what level it is. Its not hard to imagine how this attitude can manifest to violence, especially in the rural areas where education is lacking and values are so rooted in a lack of regard for women who are more of a possession than a person.

This has to stop and only India itself can make the change.

thursdaysd

@jacketwatch - I read about this in the Hindustan Times, lined from Daily Beast. I have found the article again and it clearly says: " A migrant Muslim from Assam, he was suspected to be a Bangladeshi national."

The most recent report includes this from the accused/victim's brother:

"Jamaluddin, an Indian army sergeant, accused Nagaland's government of "deliberately dubbing him as a Bangladeshi immigrant to justify the killing". "The girl's medical report didn't confirm rape but still my brother was jailed and then handed over to the mob who lynched him just because he was a Bengali-speaking person," he told AFP from his home in Assam."

Of course, what religion, if any, the man actually professed is irrelevant, what counts is what the mob believed. I'm not sure where speaking Bengali comes in - there seemed to be plenty of people who spoke Bengali in India who who were "native" Indians. Is this something specific to Nagaland? Are there concerns about Bangladeshi immigration? Presumably with sea level rise that can only increase - where else are people going to go?

jacketwatch

I did read there was concern in Nagaland from the natives there about Bangladeshi immigration but I am not sure why. is it cultural, religious and maybe are they taking jobs or maybe all of the above and who knows maybe more.

Bengali is the predominant language in Bangladesh so maybe there is a connection in the minds, if you want to use that term, of the mob who killed him.

Flooding is a seemingly annual problem there and I don't know how that effects people fleeing for shelter. In this case it seems to me that people were somehow whipped into a frenzy and acted accordingly. I wonder who was the catalyst for this. Someone had to ignite them I think.

If the medical report did not confirm rape and he did not do it and how more horrible this becomes. But thats a moot point now.