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russ_in_LA Mar 28th, 2016 02:27 PM

For Bangkok Lovers
 
As we plan our first Thailand trip for the end of November, one of the most useful and interesting threads I have enjoyed was the following:

http://www.fodors.com/community/asia...-returning.cfm

I loved reading about both the good and bad in Bangkok, especially with the reasons behind it. With the understanding that there is bound to be some overlap with the information in that fantastic thread (and in order to flush out more of the good stuff) I pose the following question to Bangkok lovers:

• What do you love about Bangkok and why?

In order to give a bit more focus, I will also share my proposed itinerary below. If you can work in any suggestions on order, what to add or what to cut out, or other tips, I’d appreciate it. Here is a bit more info on how we travel, our likes and dislikes:

• Eating: Both high end and dives/street food.
• Shopping: Yes, for local arts and crafts, and local food items. Very little interest in shopping malls. No interest in international chains.
• Sightseeing: A mix of ancient and modern. Exploring temples, historic neighborhoods, museums with a focus on history, food markets, natural and man-made beauty. For example, we loved Japan, where you could see a 20th century museum, walk a few steps to a historic samurai or geisha district, or enjoy a beautiful garden, often all in the span of a few hours. (I have posted detailed trip reports of both Japan trips, if you’re interested).

With the above in mind, here is what we have tentatively planned for our 4 nights and 3 full days in Bangkok. We are staying at the Shangri-la, and plan to do most or all of our transportation via the river or Skytrain:

• Day 1 (Monday) – Land about 1:30pm – Dinner and pass out
• Day 2 - Wat Po/Grand Palace/Wat Phra Kaew/Wat Arun, Thonburi Klong Tour
• Day 3 - Jim Thompson House/MBK/China Town/Flower Market
• Day 4 – Food tour or bike tour (Have you done one you liked, and if so, which one). See anything we didn't get to on the previous days.

If you didn't love Bangkok, or only remember the crowds, the traffic, the smog and the heat, believe me when I say that I am expecting those things. But if Bangkok is a place to which you would happily return, please feel free to respond with general info, specific suggestions on what you would do with 3 full days, or feedback on what you might add or delete from my proposed itinerary.

Your feedback is greatly appreciated!

Kathie Mar 28th, 2016 02:59 PM

I love Bangkok and have been back many times since my first stay in the mid-1980s. You are trying to pack a lot in, so make sure you do the things that are most important to you during the early part of the day.

It's great that you are staying along the river, as it makes your day 2 itinerary realistic. See whether you are still up for the klong tour after you finish the main wats. Chinatown is located along the river, so try to get there that day rather than doing it the next day when you'll be a long way from Chinatown. And since you plan to see Chinatown, do stop at Wat Tramit.

I have to admit that I find MBK just awful - my nightmare of a shopping center. Note that many shopping center have whole floors of lovely Thai crafts. To my eye, MBK is just junk.

The Jim Thompson House is lovely. And there is an outpost of the store there as well for a bit of shopping.

There is a Bangkok food tour that gets great reviews. Do a search, as I can't remember the name of it. I wouldn't consider a bike tour unless you are well-acclimated to the heat.

russ_in_LA Mar 28th, 2016 03:28 PM

Thanks Kathie, I really appreciate the feed back! I hope by your speedy reply that you are recovering quickly from your recent injury.

Here is the food tour I am considering. Let me know if it is the one you were thinking of:

http://bangkokfoodtours.com/bang-rak...l-walking-tour

I will skip MBK for sure. Do you have a shopping center you might recommend, that's in the neighborhood of where we will already be? This would be low on our priorities, but if we are already nearby, then we might take a look.

I'll consider switching the days of our klong tour and Chinatown if that makes more logical sense. A couple other places I was thinking of seeing were the Suan Packard Museum (which I suppose makes sense after the Jim Thomson House, based on location) and the Prasart Museum. Both seem up my alley. If we only have time for one or the other, do you have a preference? If we did the Prasart I'm imagining it would fall into day 3.

If we have the energy for some light sight seeing relatively near our hotel on our first afternoon/evening, do you have a suggestion? Perhaps Chinatown or the flower market at that time?

Thanks again!

Kathie Mar 28th, 2016 04:17 PM

Thanks, Russ, I am recovering well.

Chinatown might be a good first stop for you on Day one if you have the energy. You can take a water taxi there.

You are right the Suan Packard Palace would be good in combination with the Jim Thompson House - they are close together

Yes, that is the food tour I've heard so many good things about.

We loved the Prasart, but it really takes half a day - I just don't think you have time for it.

Have a wonderful time in Bangkok!

simpsonc510 Mar 28th, 2016 04:23 PM

MBK is one of my favorites. It is a truly Thai mall...the other mega shopping complexes (Paragon, Central Embassy, Emporium, etc) could be almost anywhere, with their high end designer shops and up scale restaurants or food courts. I will for sure visit MBK during my April Bangkok stay of 11 days. My Samsung tablet is in need of a new battery, and my local Staples store (where it was purchased) will not help me. MBK has an entire floor dedicated to phones and computers. I am sure they can replace my battery. I also like to buy clothing by Thai/Asian designers at the Tokyu department store and other small shops. Many reasons to take a look at MBK, IMO. Up to you! You will be right there when you go to Jim Thompson house as they are both just steps from National Stadium skytrain stop.

You'll be close to a pleasant night market/restaurantcomplex called Asiatique. It is along the river and has a free water shuttle service from Saphan Taksin pier area, just steps from your hotel. Expect a line waiting for the shuttle if you go around 5pm though.

You should have some delightful weather by November/December. Great for dining outside in the evening! Try one of the rooftop venues such as Red Sky, which is atop the Central World mall.

I hope you will enjoy Bangkok! It is my favorite city.

(Why? It has to be all the personal friends I've met and care a lot for, both Thai and expat. I cherish their friendships and going back to Bangkok always feels like I am going home)

FromDC Mar 28th, 2016 06:24 PM

Russ, we LOVED the Chinatown food tour (evening), one of the highlights of our several trips to Bangkok. It would let you knock 2 things off the list at once and going at night means you won't be walking outdoors in the heat of the day.

Will you be there during Loy Kratong? Full moon in November, great celebration, included in our fondest travel memories. And for shopping my favorite place is the Jim Thompson outlet store. Too bad you won't be there on a weekend, we love the weekend market, maybe next trip.

Guenmai Mar 28th, 2016 11:32 PM

As for Bangkok and shopping and food, I'm one who tries to stay clear of MBK as I've never been fond of it. My best, Thai friend and I go there sometimes to look for specific things and then are out of there. But, it might work for you so go for it. You can always take a quick exit if it doesn't suit you.

I'm a shopper, but am into fashion and shop at the big malls, along with smaller stores, and buy clothing that I can not get just anywhere; like at 4 of the 5 Soda boutiques around Bangkok and especially the one in the new Emporium EM Quartier Mall, that carries the Urban Nomad collection. My best, American friend and I cleaned up in January 2016 and flew home to L.A. with a lot of uber cool clothing and clothing that can't be found everywhere as it's designed by a female Thai designer, who's been around for decades, and carries her line at her Soda boutiques. It's the same with the big store in Emporium EM Quartier Mall that has separate boutiques in it of different, hip Thai designers as that whole, huge store is Thai designers. So, big malls don't only carry generic. It all depends on what one is looking for and there is some cool clothing in Bangkok, also at Siam Center for those who might be looking for different clothing.

As for arts/ crafts, a lot of the places where I shopped, starting back in the 1990s and on, have closed. I personally haven't found the high level of crafts that I used to find and for what catches my eye. It's too bad that River City Mall has just gone way, way down. It's enough to bring tears to one's eyes. I used to get really great stuff there, but on my last two visits was disappointed as it now looks like a ghost town. There used to be some really good places in Sukhumvit, but I think they're closed now.

Food wise, Bangkok is great. For some really good food, my best friend and I loved Nahm Restaurant in the Metropolitan Hotel. It can be hard to get a dinner reservation, but it's worth it if you can get one.

As for what I love about Bangkok, well, it's that the whole city is like an oxymoron. Never a dull moment, always an element of surprise, confusion, and of opposites. Not boring. I've been going there regularly since the 1990s and my pulse still races of excitement every time the plane touches down on the runway. I recently spent three weeks straight there again. I go to Bangkok and knock myself out and then head for someplace like Penang or Singapore to recuperate from it all before flying back home to L.A. I was away for 6 weeks straight and got home and needed a vacation from the vacation. LOL!

Have fun. Just keep a positive attitude which goes a long way. Smiles.

Happy Travels!

russ_in_LA Mar 29th, 2016 08:28 AM

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I am definitely more about cultural activities, architecture, food and history. Shopping is way, way down on my list, and then it is usually just to buy a local food product or small memento to take home; but I like hearing other people's impressions. I'm sure I'll have more questions as the trip gets closer. Thanks!

Guenmai Mar 29th, 2016 09:49 AM

Well, there are plenty of cultural things to do as Kathie mentioned regarding the wats, etc. A lot of those things I've done in the past since I've been going there since the 90s. But, I do love architecture and whenever I'm in a different country or state or city, here at home, I seek out architecture which I discover a lot by being out walking around or taking special walking tours focusing on architecture. I also seek out museums when traveling, but they don't need to be big, traditional types of museums. One of my favorites in S.E. Asia is the Peranakan Mansion/Museum in Georgetown, Penang. So, over the years in Bangkok, I've gone to places that have been more like museum houses.

As for me in Bangkok, it's more about hanging out, catching up on current exhibits/events, hooking up with Thai friends, chit-chatting with Thais wherever I meet them while out roaming around, shopping, and eating really well. Sort of like being at home where I don't need to run around to experience everything new that's happening around L.A., but go to places/events if I feel like doing it.

Happy Travels!

rhkkmk Mar 29th, 2016 06:08 PM

we love bkk for it's people, it's food (not street food or dives---waaaaaay toooo risky), it's shopping, it's fab hotels at reasonable pricing, it's architecture, it's cheap taxi's---don't only use public transport, it's originality, it's custom made clothing... we dislike the heat and humidity and the length of time it takes to get there from eastern USA..

MBK---fair to poor imo... we love platinum fashion mall which sells most everything.

oh, how could I forget jewelry in the likes above---esp. gold and sapphires---and custom made.

Shangri-La is H U G E.... you will need a nap after walking one end to the other. breakfasts are fantastic--you used to get it free by joining their club--check that out... lobby with all those orchids is lovely...

nov/dec weather is the best of the year.

AnselmAdorne Mar 29th, 2016 08:12 PM

Russ, my wife and I went on the evening Chinatown food tour in 2012:

http://bangkokfoodtours.com/chinatown/

Our guide was personable and knowledgeable, and the food was terrific.

(Posting from Kanazawa. Thanks for all your Japan posts; they were very helpful in planning our trip.)

russ_in_LA Mar 29th, 2016 09:52 PM

This is great info everyone! We will definitely do the Chinatown food tour. With two recommendations, how could we not. This will also free up our last day to do whatever we couldn't fit into the first 3 days. Thinking now that I might want to fit in the national museum if we have time. Here is what my revised itinerary is looking like, at this point:

-Day 1: Land 1:30pm - If we have energy, Flower Market/Wat Arun at night
-Day 2: Wat Arun/Wat Po/Grand Palace/Wat Phra Kaew/National Museum
-Day 3: Jim Thompson House/Sua Packard Museum/Thonburi Klong Tour/Wat Tramit/Chinatown Food Tour at night
-Day 4: Whatever we didn't get to on days 1 - 3

Thanks again for all the feedback, and to anyone else who wants to chime in!

crellston Mar 29th, 2016 10:55 PM

Just a warning that, when we were there in November last year, Wat Arun was closed and still covered in scaffolding for its three year renovation. The boat trip downriver to the flower market would still be a nice way to spend your first evening though.

FromDC Mar 30th, 2016 02:36 AM

We enjoyed a klong ride and the royal barge museum on our first trip. Strongly recommend using a guide with car/driver for day 2.

rhkkmk Mar 30th, 2016 05:10 AM

btw a klong tour of thornburi takes about 3 hours

Kathie Mar 30th, 2016 07:41 AM

I have to disagree with From DC on her recommendation to use a car and driver on Day 2 - that would ensure that you spend much of your time stuck in traffic. The best way to get to the temples you want to visit on day 2 is the water taxi (more like a water bus) from the central pier near your hotel. It's a short walk from the dock to the temples.

FromDC Mar 30th, 2016 09:52 AM

Maybe traffic has gotten much worse since our first trip.I don't recall lots of traffic but I do remember the relief at having our guide walk us through the Grand Palace (and not being bothered by the touts) and other sites, calling for the car when we were finished so that we were very comfortable with A/C and cold drinks and having someone else navigate all the sites for us. I don't think I would have been able to manage things (even the water taxis) on that first full day in Bangkok.

Kathie Mar 30th, 2016 10:52 AM

When were you there, DC? The area around those wats and the Grand Palace/Emerald Buddha/Wat Pho area has been gridlocked for decades now. Probably a decade ago there was a post from a couple who decided to hire the Pen's car to see these wats. They spent over an hour driving from the Grand Palace to Wat Pho - and they are only a block apart. And the Grand Palace is a place where you don't need to worry about touts as they are not allowed inside the gates. There are official guides you can hire near the entrance for a couple of dollars.

On the other hand, many first times visitors are intimidated by the tuk-tuk drivers who tell them the Palace is closed and offer to take them to jewelry stores or tailors. If you know about the scam, it is easy to deal with - say no and just keep going. A few years ago, Cheryl and I got off the water taxi and walked toward to Palace when a man ran up to us and told us it was closed. I'd been there more than a dozen times since the mid-1980s and had never run into the scam I burst out laughing and the man ran away. Another man walked up to me and said I was smart and the man who told me that was being bad; he was embarrassed that the man had tried to scam me.

If you want a guide your first day to visit those wats, my recommendation is to hire a guide who will take you there via public transport.

rhkkmk Mar 30th, 2016 10:55 AM

I think a driver far out weighs any time you might spend in traffic and add to that the a/c relief after a couple of hours in the GP, you will be very pleased you did it this way.

it also saves time from making a wrong turn when going from place to place, which is easy to do.

I love boat rides on the river but not for visiting sites.

russ_in_LA Mar 30th, 2016 01:43 PM

Thanks for the additional info and insight.

I can see the advantages to the private car vs taking the water taxi. I may regret this, but our personal travel style is more attuned to taking public transport (although I do plan to hire a car for our 3 full days of exploring the greater Siem Reap reap area - our next stop after Bangkok). Perhaps I'll see what I think of the temperature upon arrival before making that decision. I tend to be cold when other people are hot (born in LA, spend a lot of time in Palm Springs) so I might find it warm but not overwhelmingly oppressive in late November. We also may just go back to the hotel in the middle of the day to relax by the pool for a couple hours if the heat hits us too hard.

I like the idea of hiring a guide once inside the Grand Palace. We made use of the various Goodwill Guides in Japan the past two years, which we really enjoyed, although they can be hit and miss. The guide at the Edo-Tokyo museum was excellent, the one at Matsumoto castle, less so.

The timing info for the Thonburi klong tour is useful. I think we might push that to our "over-flow" day at the end. Does anyone have any feedback on the merits of just hiring a longboat for an hour or two to go through the klongs vs. going on an organized tour? Can anyone tell me where the tours usually start; or if we decide to just hire a long boat for the klongs, the best place to do so?

I'm also thinking of switching the order of day 3, and starting with the Suan Packard Museum and then proceeding to the Jim Thomspon House. Then we can stay there for lunch. My thought is that we would rely on the skytrain/metro for at least those two stops.

Thanks again everyone!

Kathie Mar 30th, 2016 02:25 PM

Russ, it sounds like you are gathering good info to make your decisions about Bangkok. Bob and I both love Bangkok, but we have different feelings about public transport vs. a car and driver.

Your idea of going back to the hotel at mid-day for a swim is a good one - an done I know Bob will also endorse.

Try to get to the GP/EB at 8:30 when it opens. You might well find the temps not too terrible, depending on the weather in Bangkok. I've been there when it was "balmy" and when it was hot, hot hot.

The long "tour" is an individual tour. They start at any of the piers near the hotels - you can start one at the Central Pier, for instance. I have to admit it has been decades since I did one. No reason you can't just hire a long tail to go wherever you want to go. Just negotiate price before you get in.

Starting at Suan Pakkard, then going to Jim Thompson will put you there at lunchtime - good thought.

simpsonc510 Mar 30th, 2016 02:33 PM

Klong tours can last an hour and up. I think the 1-hour ride will give you a glimpse of life along the canals. A longer tour might include a stop (as quick as you want it to be) at the King's Barge museum. It costs to go inside, but you can make up your mind about that as you arrive. Take a peek and see if it is of interest. There are some amazing barges on display. It doesn't take long to tour the place. We opted not to go inside when we did a klong tour a year ago April. I think we were on the long tail about 1.5 hours in all. Not really an organized "tour" by any means, just a casual ride. But always interesting! There are stands around Taksin pier where you can arrange pick up. Your hotel might also be able to arrange something for you at their own pier!

LancasterLad Mar 30th, 2016 10:24 PM

You might find this useful...

http://www.transitbangkok.com/

Click the blue bar at the top of the page on whatever method of transport you want, and you get detailed information.

As well as the temperature and humidity you'll also have air/traffic pollution to contend with, and how bad it is depends on where you are at the time.

Try and avoid using the Sky train during peak hours as the carriages are packed. The MRT [Underground] isn't quite so bad.

If you use the public ferry, then the orange flag is the best one, but also the busiest, so avoid it during peak hours. I assume that when Kathie mentions water taxi she really means public ferry.

Each of the Ferry Piers are numbered, and some are v.close to main sights [see link above]. If you fancy a relaxed lunch on a hotel terrace right on the river, then at Pier 13 is the Navalai River Resort...

http://www.navalai.com/facilities-aq...aurant&bar.php

...which is an area called Banglamphu, and older part of Bangkok, safe and well worth a wander round.

A trip on the orange flag ferry from Central Pier upstream to the terminus at Nonthaburi [takes an hour or so] is a lovely way to see Bangkok from the river. You could get a public bus back to the centre from Nonthaburi, and see areas of Bangkok that most tourists never see.

Getting back to your hotel for a mid-day break swim for a couple of hours is fine, but depending on where you are and where you're staying, and it's proximity to public transport it might take a couple of hours to get back.

rhkkmk Mar 31st, 2016 05:34 AM

Shangri-la will arrange a boat for you to come to their pier and tell the boatman what you want to do...

Susan pakkard is a short stop... Maybe 1/2 hour. Plan to have lunch at Jim thompson house---fab

AskOksena Mar 31st, 2016 03:12 PM

Friday morning greetings from Tokyo to the OP, russ; glad you will be spending time in beloved Bangkok. (And thanks for your thoughtful Japan impressions. Have been in Tokyo since last Thursday for Easter / business meetings and will soon be enjoying another fast train ride to Kyoto for weekend sakura with long-time family friends. Monday, back home to Singapore out of Osaka. Love Japan this time of year.)

Well done on choosing the Shangri-La for your BKK lodging. Always enjoyed most satisfactory business travel stays at that property. You will be in rather close proximity to a special hotel I first encountered as youth ~ half-century back with my parents and siblings, the Mandarin Oriental. Time permitting, take in her public venues. Will be returning to the MO for some work-related receptions and meetings in May; wonderful times at that place.

Will also mention the Chon Thai restaurant, located within The Siam hotel. More info, including her shuttle boat schedule, at: thesiamhotel dot com/ We love that property for lodging and dining. (And a bit of a promotion as we are friends with some fine individuals who have been involved with The Siam from her earliest days.)

More thoughts later. Savour your planning, russ; happy for you. Early and warm weekend wishes to you and all from Tokyo and soon, Kyoto,

robert


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russ_in_LA Mar 31st, 2016 09:53 PM

I'm feeling very good about our projected itinerary now. I'm always open to changing things at the time as needed, but I like going in with a logical plan. Thanks again everyone for the great info.

I suppose since a few people have already broached the topic, if you have any favorite places to eat, please let me know. We like to try high-end, mid-priced and low-end options, just to get a varied experience, and prefer local cuisine (we can get French and Italian in LA). Bonus points to places that are already in the path of our proposed itinerary. :-)

Guenmai Mar 31st, 2016 10:42 PM

russ_in_LA: " I tend to be cold when other people are hot (born in LA, spend a lot of time in Palm Springs) so I might find it warm but not overwhelmingly oppressive in late November.

You'll probably be fine. I'm also from L.A. County and am not all that heat sensitive and November is not that bad as far as I'm concerned. I've been to Bangkok in Nov/Dec/Jan/last week in March/August and possibly early April and as far as I'm concerned the cool season was Nov/Dec/Jan. I remember once when I went in November and it was cooler, upon arrival into Bangkok, than it was when I left L.A., as I checked the temperature.

My two L.A. friends and I walked from Jim Thompson, on Surawong, to the Oriental Hotel, in late March and in the heat of the day and didn't pass out or anything. We basically walked all over the place. I wouldn't worry so much about the heat and especially in November and I take public transportation and walk long distances the majority of the time and have been fine.

Now if you want hell hot/Africa hot, then do Penang in January which is way hotter than what I've experienced in Bangkok. As far as I'm concerned it equals 'Africa Hot' as my best friend called it (LOL) as she was with me there in Jan 2016 for her first time in Penang and my second time. She has been to Bangkok a lot and at all times of the year and has been fine. She's from The Valley. Another friend is from San Francisco and was there when I was there in 2014/2015, in Dec/Jan and went out walking every day and hours on end and was fine and S.F. has much cooler weather than what we have in L.A.

Have fun. Enjoy. Your trip plans seem to be coming along nicely. Smiles.

Happy Travels!

rhkkmk Apr 2nd, 2016 08:02 PM

le bealieu in the plaza anthanee hotel office bldg., just behind the hotel has a fab fixed priced luncheon.

we like harmonique near your hotel for simple thai.

we love Biscotti in the anantara siam formerly 4 seasons.

the new mall across sukhumvit from emporium has very nice restaurants as you wind down their walkway from the top floor.

a unique treat is Gaggan, modern intian

we love L'Opera on soi 39 ??? sukhumvit

rhkkmk Apr 2nd, 2016 08:03 PM

siam kempenski has a fabulous sunday brunch

MrsBillT Apr 4th, 2016 04:19 PM

Do the Calypso Cabaret located at Asiatique. Very entertaining ladyboy show, classy for all ages.

skybright Apr 8th, 2016 04:40 AM

If you visit on 14November2016, it is Loy Kratong Festival.
You can experience Loy Kratong culture at night time.

russ_in_LA Apr 9th, 2016 09:38 AM

Thanks for the additional info everyone. Unfortunately, we arrive about a week after the Loy Kratong Festival. It would have been great to be there at that time.

dgunbug Apr 10th, 2016 05:52 AM

All great advice above. One additional thing that we thoroughly enjoyed was our stroll through Lampini Park, an oasis of green away from chaotic Bangkok. It is best to go around sunrise or sunset to see the local people exercising in the park. I'm not sure with your busy schedule if you will have time to include this, but do consider if you have time as we had a lovely stroll there.

silverwool Apr 11th, 2016 03:32 AM

I did the morning tour with Bangkok food tours and thoroughly enjoyed it. They also do a night tour by tuk tuk that sounds like fun. I'm planning on doing both it and the Chinatown one if I get back there this year.

I also did the sunset bike riding tour with Spice Roads which was a great experience. Its only about 15 kms, fairly easy cycling and visits the flower market. You have a lot planned for a short time so this could be one best left for another trip.

russ_in_LA Aug 30th, 2016 05:38 PM

I am working on integrating suggestions above into my evolving Bangkok plan, and have a few more questions. Just to recap, here is where I have landed as a rough itinerary:

Day 1 (Monday): Land 1:30pm - Flower Market/Wat Arun at night
Day 2 : River ferry to Grand Palace/Wat Phra Kaew/Wat Po/Wat Arun, lunch somewhere in there, (possibly insert additional wats here - seems unlikely), back to Shangri-la in afternoon for pool and rest, (early evening wander through interesting neighborhood?)
Day 3: BTS Skytrain to Suan Packard Museum/Jim Thompson House for tour and lunch, (possibly insert additional wats here - seems better than on day 2), back to Shangri-la for pool and rest, late pm Wat Tramit/Chinatown Food Tour 6 - 9pm
Day 4: Ferry to National Museum for 9am tour/Lunch/Royal Barge Museum/Thonburi Klong Tour (possible evening neighborhood wander)

Questions:

In one of the "insert additional wats here" sections, I'd like to work in some additional wats if possible, such as Wat Loha Prasat/Wat Saket/Wat SuThat, but they seem out of the way from the rest of my itinerary. Is there a logical place to add those in, and if so where? I was thinking maybe after Jim Thompson House, taking a canal boat down Klong Saen Saep to get there, but other suggestions welcome...as well as quickest way back to Shangri-la afterward (bus to Memorial Bridge, then ferry, perhaps?)

Given the locations we will be in at lunch time each day, any suggestions for lunch places on days 2 and 4? I don't want to only eat in hotel restaurants, but I also don't want to risk street food, especially so early in the trip.

In general, any suggestions for interesting areas in which to wander, given our itinerary? How about Phra Athit Road? Other ideas?

Regarding street food, if we do the Chinatown Food tour, is this the kind of street food that some people might regard as potentially unsafe? I realize there are no guarantees, but I'm inclined to do this tour given the recommendations above.

Any other relevant comments or suggestions appreciated. Thanks!

silverwool Aug 30th, 2016 09:38 PM

I ended up doing the tuk tuk night tour which was great. We ate at small crowded local restaurants with trips into the kitchens to see the food preparation. Even at midnight there were lots of locals tucking into Pad Thai at Thip Samai Pad Thai. The Chinatown one wasn't available the night I was in Bangkok.

As you say, there are no guarantees with food. I had been on the road for about three weeks in Bali and Lombok including trekking up Mount Rinjani so my stomach was probably acclimatised to spicy food. I loved the food and had no ill effects whatsoever. Its a bit what you feel comfortable with. My thinking is that if the restaurant/stall is crowded with locals then I'll risk it. Especially if you can see the food being cooked in front of you. I'm more suspicious of food that been sitting in food warmers for hours than freshly cooked Asian street food.

Kathie Aug 31st, 2016 08:09 AM

The merits/dangers of street food have been debated here endlessly. While I don't eat street food in Bangkok (I do in Penang and Singapore), I would feel relatively safe on one of these street food tours.

Do make sure you have the appropriate vaccines before you go: Hep A and typhoid are musts.

"quickest way back to Shangri-la" would be either the skytrain or the water taxi depending on where you are. A bus will take forever (the infamous Bangkok traffic). If you get stuck somewhere and don't know how to get back, take a taxi. Make sure you always have a hotel card with you to show the taxi driver and make sure they turn on the meter. If a driver doesn't turn on the meter after you ask (most will turn it on immediately) just get out of the taxi and take another one. In my couple of dozen trips to Bangkok since the mid-1980s, I have only had to get out of a tax once. Taxis are cheap - and air-conditioned. Note the tuck tucks are always more expensive than taxis and you have to breathe the diesel fumes. Also, tuk-tuk drivers are the ones most likely to tell you that places are closed and that they can take you to a "special government-sponsored gem sale" or to "a great tailor." Avoid those!!

I agree with silverwool about "food that been sitting in food warmers for hours" and avoid buffets. But the "eyeball test" - have you seen the food cooked right in front of you? is no assurance that it won't make you sick.

Packngo Sep 1st, 2016 04:52 PM

I posted lots of useful advice. For some strange reason those posts were removed. Very odd.

Packngo Sep 1st, 2016 04:59 PM

I've never had food poisoning from eating street food hundreds of times. Usually cook well thru and was purchased that morning for cooking.

Food in restaurants can sit around for days without being refrigerated properly or handled with care.

Be careful with seafood restaurants. Avoid the quiet ones with low turnover.

Street food is really just bbq food and you would have eaten bbq food before.


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