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chinovice Oct 9th, 2005 04:28 PM

China itinerary?
 
Wondering... Which of these might be best re efficiency, cost and ease of travel...

1. Beijing -> Xi'an -> Chengdu -> Shanghai -> Hong Kong
or
2. Beijing -> Chengdu -> Xi'an -> Shanghai -> Hong Kong
or
3. Beijing -> Shanghai -> Xi'an -> Chengdu -> Hong Kong
or
????

It is also possible that I might drop out Shanghai altogether. I am not a big city person, prefer nature and animals. I do want to see the Pandas, but given that I do have 3 weeks I should have time for all of the above, yes?

Also - trains/planes?
1. Train first leg, Beijing -> Xi'an and fly others? Or possible train also Xi'an -> Chengdu?
2. Train Chengdu ->Xi'an and fly the rest?
3. Train Xi'an -> Chengdu and fly the rest?

What about costs? Are there any sites on the internet that I can get rates for these flight/train possibilities?

Any other ideas that I don't see in the above? Buses? I don't want very long train trips - I get restless and walk the aisles on even a 4 hour flight, so no 24 ++ hour train trips please. :o

BTW - are there discounts for age in China?
Thanks!


rkkwan Oct 9th, 2005 08:11 PM

There are several questions in your post, but I'll answer it in a different way.

First, there are many more non-stop flights from Shanghai to Hong Kong than from Chengdu to Hong Kong. Cost similar, so I won't recommend option 3.

Now whether you should do 1 or 2...

If you're going to fly mostly, then really no difference. But if you want to take the train, then here are some train times:

Beijing - Xi'an. Overnight, 11.5 hours.
Xi'an - Shanghai. Overnight, 16.5 hours.
Beijing - Chengdu. 26 hours.
Chengdu - Shanghai. 35 hours.

Based on those numbers, if you want to try some train but not too much, you can train Beijing-Xi'an, and then fly Chengdu-Shanghai.

Now, as for Xi'an-Chengdu, fastest train takes 13.5 hours (it's actually a Beijing-Chengdu train); other trains about 16.5. But here's a dilemna - it's a scenic mountainous railroute; so it'd make sense to take it during daytime. But you have to start really early to get on that Beijing-Chengdu express stops at 5:16am. Or you take one of the overnight, and miss most of the scenery. Might just want to fly between those two.

Another consideration is that a soft-sleeper train ticket is about the same price as a discount coach. So, you don't really save money, unless you want to take a hard-sleeper.

chinovice Oct 12th, 2005 03:34 AM

Updating and changing...
Have been strongly advised that Shanghai is really "just another city" and that I should try to get out into the countryside a bit, or at least to a small town.

Is there anything in the Xi'an, Chengdu area that would be worthwhile for a first-time visitor to China? I like to walk, not trek, just walk for a few hours at a time and like nature, scenery, animal life. Not interested in cruises.

Thanks.

chinovice Oct 12th, 2005 03:41 AM

rkkwn,
Thanks for all of the great info!
Someone suggested the night train Beijing to Xi'an and then another night train onwards to Chengdu, fly from there directly to HK.
If I understand you correctly this means either spending the night at the train station (is this possible?) or missing the beauty of the ride...

You said "soft-sleeper train ticket is about the same price as a discount coach." By coach in this case you mean flight, not bus? How about a soft seat in the early am? Is that also as expensive?

Do I have to stay in my car, or can I walk the length of the train back and forth? Like I said earlier, I get restless even on a 4-hour flight :~0

Thanks!

rkkwan Oct 12th, 2005 05:42 AM

There should be plenty of areas outside Chengdu for hiking. Chengdu is at the edge of a basin with very high mountains just beyond it. However, I don't have specific recommendations for hiking.

As for the train, the Beijing-Chengdu express is unlikely to carry any soft-seat cars, as it's a long-distance train. But during the day, they can fold the upper-berths of the soft-sleeper, so it becomes a cabin for 4 seats. I don't know how the ticket works.

Yes, I do mean soft-sleeper cost about the same as flying in coach. If you want the cheapest way to go, then get a hard-sleeper.

On the train, you can move around and go to the dining car. But you won't want to linger at the hard-sleeper or hard-seat cars.


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