Starting Today, No More Free Water on US Air

Aug 5th, 2008, 08:55 AM
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"On a bus, I can put a bottle of water or soda pop in my bag and drink it when necessary."

Then take a bus instead of a plane. Or take the train. You can bring water onto the train too.
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Aug 5th, 2008, 12:35 PM
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it's real hard to take a train or a bus to Europe from the US
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Aug 5th, 2008, 04:30 PM
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<<The European carriers are profitable because they focused on the long-haul market sooner than the US carriers, not because they offer free drinks in coach. And the salad days are coming to an end, anyway. Every single one of the European carriers has warned about profits.>>

Of course all airlines are hurting, You mentioned BA, BA have warned about profits as their 2008 results of approx $1,700,000,000.00 profit will not be achievable next year.

BA has not focused on the international market sooner than US airlines, you look at the international destinations that BA NO longer flies to from 10 years ago, its the opposite, they've reduced the destinations

Its the same with European flights, they've shut down their non-profitable routes and entered into code shares where necessary

Instead, the US carriers have tried to maintain their network, continuing to run highly unprofitable routes for too many years and now as part of a last desperate act of survival for some of them, they've cut back service to the bare bone.

If you believe their future lies on expanding their overseas routes, then they will certainly be found wanting, by competing against airlines that are providing vastly superior services and amenities especially in economy.

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Aug 5th, 2008, 10:17 PM
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If you believe their future lies on expanding their overseas routes, then they will certainly be found wanting, by competing against airlines that are providing vastly superior services and amenities especially in economy.

It isn't expansion I am talking about, it is proportion of the network devoted to long-haul travel. Compare the fleets of any of the major European carriers to the US carriers, and you will see what I mean. The US carriers will need to dramatically re-jigger their fleets to achieve the same balance of long-haul versus short-haul.

We'll agree to disagree on the "vastly superior services and amenities" in economy. Frankly, I think there is precious little difference between the carriers, and that the back of the bus is no fun on any US or European carrier. I would not categorize SAS, KLM, Swiss, or Lufthansa as any better than the bulk of the US carriers. BA and Air France are a bit better, but not enough so that they are a clear winner (Northwest is the best across the Atlantic, IMO). Yeah, US Air stinks, but so do Aer Lingus and TAP. None of them are up to the standards of the better Asian carriers, but that is a smaller market than the trans-Atlantic one.
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Aug 6th, 2008, 04:07 AM
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Always wondered why it's the people on buses and trains that are considered insignificant enough to be allowed home brought water. Certainly many, many more buses and trains around the world have been attacked than have planes. Larger minds than mine, I suppose, have an answer for that...
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Aug 15th, 2008, 07:57 AM
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Apparently "No frills airlines" are nothing new - watch this old Carol Burnett clip:
http://www.youtube.com/v/QCz8he36hsk&hl=en%22
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Aug 15th, 2008, 10:19 AM
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This is the correct site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCz8he36hsk
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Aug 15th, 2008, 11:37 AM
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When the U.S. airlines find it necessary to keep the Fasten Seatbelt sign on for 7 or the 8 hours; (my last flight with AA from Milan to JFK) or charge 4 Euros for a can of beer of a small bottle of wine, I can't imagine getting too many repeating European customers--unless the price is much cheaper.

And if the price is much cheaper, who pays for the fuel, aircraft and employees?

I can't imagine flying to Hawaii with U.S. Air or American--eight hours from Dallas.

I think the U.S. airlines need to work on an economy plus section, where everything is included in longer flights. People can't afford $4500 to fly to Europe in Business, but some wouldn't mind paying a little more for a little more service. (IMO)
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Aug 16th, 2008, 03:28 AM
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I'm still waiting for the airlines to charge by weight. I'm tired of subsidizing the jumbos who always seem to sit in the next seat and ooze out into half of mine.

That's one surcharge that I could get behind.
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Aug 19th, 2008, 06:53 PM
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"Thia is your Captain speaking. We have lost power in two engines and a third is on fire. The Flight Attendants will begin collecting $50 crash landing fees from each of you. Please have exact currency or a credit cardf ready. Thank you."
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Aug 19th, 2008, 08:18 PM
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It looks like United are lowering the bar even further by introducing Buy your Own on transatlantic economy from DC and whats even better is that they are giving the Business Class traveller the buy your own meal for free.

Makes you want to fly United on your next trip

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Aug 19th, 2008, 10:52 PM
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"Please have exact currency or a credit cardf ready. Thank you."

Or what.....?
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Aug 20th, 2008, 02:55 AM
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whats even better is that they are giving the Business Class traveller the buy your own meal for free

Just for clarity...

I haven't read an official announcement from UA, just an internal memo that was posted on Flyertalk yesterday, but my understanding is that the above is only for the business class cabin on US domestic segments that use (non PS service) three-class planes. International business is not part of this change.
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Aug 20th, 2008, 11:24 AM
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You are paying for a seat... period. Everything else should cost extra. Food, water. baggage, blankets, pillows and entertainment. If you don't like it, stay at home, but all the bitching isn't going to change things.
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Aug 20th, 2008, 02:10 PM
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Wait please; I didnt clariication here.

When I fly USAirways from PHL to CDG, they will not allow me to carry on my own water? Can this be correct?
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Aug 20th, 2008, 03:05 PM
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Bring an empty water bottle through security and then fill it with tap water at the airport. I do this all of the time and have never had a problem. If they ask, just say, I thought we had a liquid ban--not a plastic ban.

However, since you are flying international, I would assume that you will get free soft drinks, juices and beverages. The charge is for domestic flights.
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Aug 20th, 2008, 03:46 PM
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<<You are paying for a seat... period. Everything else should cost extra. Food, water. baggage, blankets, pillows and entertainment. If you don't like it, stay at home, but all the bitching isn't going to change things. >>

I don't have a problem paying for all these when the price is significantly different to a full service airline. Eg last year I flew to KL with a low cost carrier, Jetstar and paid for meals etc but for 3 tickets it was $500 per ticket cheaper than if I flew Malaysian.

Correct if I'm wrong, but this is not the case for eg transatlantic flights where the prices are roughly the same and yet the level of services and amenities are vastly different between carriers.

So, I do have a choice on which airline I want to fly, therefore, I won't be staying at home, I won't be bitching, but I will be enjoying a lot more of the services that I expect from a full service airline.

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Aug 20th, 2008, 07:11 PM
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Correct - you are paying for a ride only. Anything that is an additional purchase should be between the consumer and whom he or she chooses to do business with.
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