Moving the seat back...

May 28th, 2006, 08:13 AM
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Again, I am not going to any extremes and not saying a person has to do one thing or another. Just moreso a poll of who would do what.
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May 28th, 2006, 08:39 AM
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Yes, the seat is made to recline; it is expected that people will recline. But you should not recline during meals.

If a reclined seat is actually "in your face" then it is either broken or you have a grotesquely huge head.

Certainly there might be special circumstances that would limit reclining one's seat--but not just because some individual just happens to have obsessive personal space issues.
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May 28th, 2006, 11:05 AM
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I propose specific time periods, announced by the cabin staff, when all seat backs will be reclined. ;-)

"Attention please: the flight attendants have now cleared the cabin after your meal service and 'seat-reclining period' will begin in five minutes. When the captain turns on the 'seat-recline' light overhead, all passengers should recline their seats together. Please check around your seats for all materials you may need for 'seat-recline period' and some of you may wish to visit the restrooms in your own cabins at this time, since no one will be permitted to leave their seats during 'reclining period.' There will be one 15-minute 'upright seatback' rest period after 90 minutes. Thank you for your cooperation."
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May 28th, 2006, 11:14 AM
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Personally I rarely recline my seat. I suppose I'm lucky that I have no back problem that makes a slightly reclined seat feel better than an upright one. I prefer and normally reserve an aisle seat so I have a little more room and have been lucky in scoring an exit row seat often.

As far as being a good neighbor, I agree that the seat should be up during meals, which are getting rarer each day, but why inconvenience yourself in favor of someone who may or may not care either way?
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May 28th, 2006, 06:26 PM
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About grabbing the seat in front when getting out...I have one bad knee, and standing up and moving sideways is very difficult. Will you hit me if I have to grab the seat in front to steady myself?

Note that I fly business class on upgrades most of the time, but then there's Southwest...
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May 28th, 2006, 09:08 PM
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Underhill - I don't believe in violence, so I won't hit you. But I would be a lot happier if you would just explain to me that you have an ailment and needs to grab my seat when you get out. I can totally understand that, and won't mind at all. But if you don't tell me, then I would be annoyed.
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May 29th, 2006, 06:53 AM
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rkkwan, I have been as irritated as you by people grabbing my seatback when they get in and out; but then when I try to do the same thing myself (esp. getting from window seat to the aisle), I am reminded that the human body doesn't easily take the shape of the space between two close airline rows. You have to have incredible quads and be a limbo champ to move between the rows without grabbing something (and the seat is less dangerous that some part of your row-mates body).
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May 29th, 2006, 06:54 AM
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edit: ..less dangerous than...
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May 29th, 2006, 07:40 AM
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soccr - Remember that I said I'm pretty short? So, I am able to get in and out without grabbing the seat in front. I just use the armrests on my own row as leverage.

Let me also say that when I need to lock up the tray table, I also do it gently. No slamming of it against the seatback.
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May 29th, 2006, 08:12 AM
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Bet I'm shorter than you, but older. Just sayin'...
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May 29th, 2006, 08:38 AM
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If I'm in a window seat then the other passengers in my row on that side will have to get out of their seats to allow me to get to/from the aisle. If any of the seats in front of us are reclined then I will raise the armrest(s), slide across the seats, and use the aisle armrest for balance. Otherwise, I will raise the armrests and use the end of the armrest for balance, not the seats in front. The other option is to use the seat backs in your row for balance and knee-walk across seats. When getting out of the aisle seat, push up from the armrest don't pull yourself up using the seat in front.

If you can't do any of that then you probably will have to use the seat in front for balance. You might explain to the other passenger what all your infirmities are that requires you to disturb them, but I don't think that is necessary. If you do explain, the passenger might be annoyed anyway, maybe because they didn't understand. If you don't explain, the passenger might be annoyed. In either case, they will get over it.
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May 29th, 2006, 10:15 AM
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mrwunrfl is right. Grab the seatback of your own row. I forgot to mention that.
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May 29th, 2006, 01:13 PM
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So its ok to irritate or make someone else uncomfortable putting a seat back, but when someone grabs your reclined seat in order to get up to go to the restroom, that's irritating and uncomfortable, but not ok. Does anyone else see the inconsistency? At least now I know how to get even with people who put their seat back.
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May 29th, 2006, 02:45 PM
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There is no inconsistency. Using the space allowed for you by the airline (i.e. leaning back) is absolutely fine and its my rights. That's what I paid for.

Grabbing the seat in front, etc, is disturbing other passengers unnecessarily.

The two are seperate issues.

Anyways, I do not tell everybody to recline their seats. If they feel like they don't want to, for whatever reason, that's 100% okay. The person behind will thank you too.
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May 29th, 2006, 03:29 PM
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There's no inconsistency. It is a simple application of the Golden Rule.
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May 29th, 2006, 04:56 PM
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I like Jack's idea. Its a great way to respond to the "me" generation. Shake the seat in from of you when you get up. Keep opening and closing your tray table (slamming it of course). After all, its your tray table, you paid for the right to use it any way you want. Finally, you might as well kick the seat in front of you when you are trying to get the circulation going in your legs.

Seriously, no I would never do any of those things. I guess I was just raised differently. Something about having compassion for my fellow man (or woman). It's is true that it is the airlines that have put us in this position, but even so, is it really necessary to be so self centered?
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May 30th, 2006, 01:33 AM
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"...But I would be a lot happier if you would just explain to me that you have an ailment and needs to grab my seat when you get out. I can totally understand that, and won't mind at all. But if you don't tell me, then I would be annoyed...."

rkkwan, would it suffice if I just say "excuse me" to you as I touch your seat back?

"Excuse me" is something I would say if squeezing past someone in a crowd, for example. It means "I am sorry to disturb you." That said, I don't consider it necessary to supply details of why I'm disturbing someone, including and perhaps especially if the reasons I'm disturbing someone are related to my health. For one thing, I might not have time to say,"Would you mind passing me the little bag in the seat pocket in front of you, I don't think mine is going to be big enough...."
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May 30th, 2006, 04:44 AM
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I agree 100% - be kind to the person behind you & do not put the seat back. When that happens to me on a long flight, oops but it seems that they get a few knees in their back as I try to get comfy while they are taking up my space!

On one occassion, in response I put my seat back, turned to the person behind me, apologized, and explained that I was doing it to get a little more room since the person in front of me had put theirs back. I made sure to say it loud enough for the person in front of me to hear.
 
May 30th, 2006, 05:50 AM
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Cvechko - "my space"? Again: why do you imagine the seats are designed to recline?
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May 30th, 2006, 08:37 AM
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I will say that because of the space of the seats and that some side arm rests do not move up or down, unfortunately grabbing onto the back of a seat is a necessity in order to get out. I always say "excuse me" or "sorry" to the person whose seat I am disturbing. I could walk on the seats to get out, but usually the seats themselves are full of people's belongings.

I do enjoy a window seat, but realize that an aisle seat is best for long hauls.
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