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Mar 21st, 2017, 07:02 AM
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Check your electronics or fly American

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/u...ops-cabin.html

Honestly, what will they think of next? Either this is an attempt to help US carriers fend off Middle East airline competition or it's just plain stupid.
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Mar 21st, 2017, 08:04 AM
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Several morning (and probably fake) news sources are saying it's due to a threat assessment regarding Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) who have apparently become adept at disguising bombs in electronic devices. How this would keep someone from using his/her phone to detonate a bomb packed in a bag in the cargo hold is unknown, but presumably the idea is to make it risky enough that the baddies would pick another method.

It's certainly a knife to the heart of Emirates, Qatar and Turkish Airlines, all of which have been expanding their service into the US bigly. They all depend on connecting traffic through their hubs, which means for practical purposes people will have to check their laptops all the way. These airlines depend on business travel in premium cabins, and this will probably wipe out a big chunk of that.

No US carriers have nonstop flights to/from the airports subject to the rule: AMM, IST, DOH, AUH, DXB, RUH, JED, CMN, KWI and CAI.
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Mar 21st, 2017, 08:39 AM
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Wonder how this would affect code shares.

AA 7200 JFK-AMM non-stop is a code share with Royal Jordanian, but operated by Royal Jordanian.
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Mar 21st, 2017, 09:59 AM
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This does not make any sense in this day and age, when we all need our tablets etc. all the time esp. during travel.

Seems like UK is going to follow this insane rule too.
Hope, this plan will create havoc for business travelers too, who typically use air time to work on laptops.

Can all of us travelers somehow send a message to someone to stop this crazy rule and figure out a better alternative.

Thanks for sharing.
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Mar 21st, 2017, 10:48 AM
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UK is doing the same thing, although it applies to countries rather than airports, and not just to Middle Eastern airlines:

UK airlines will come under the ban, including British Airways, EasyJet, Jet2, Monarch, Thomas Cook and Thomson. Foreign carriers affected are Turkish Airlines, Pegasus Airways, Atlas-Global Airlines, Middle East Airlines, Egyptair. Royal Jordanian, Tunis Air and Saudia.

From: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...east-countries

Maybe there really is some specific threat, but I have a hard time seeing the threat is less if the offending gizmo is in the hold. And then there are those batteries...
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Mar 21st, 2017, 11:27 AM
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Mar 21st, 2017, 11:30 AM
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UK has issued similar restrictions, oddly enough they don't include the likes of Dubai which is on the US list

It seems a bit widespread to be specific intelligence and putting laptops, tablets, cameras and other electronic devices into the cargo hold is a risky business - both from things disappearing and the potential for Lithium Ion batteries to explode
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Mar 21st, 2017, 12:49 PM
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>>but I have a hard time seeing the threat is less if the offending gizmo is in the hold. And then there are those batteries…<<


I think the theory is that hold luggage can undergo seriously more robust inspection that the brief scan of carry ons . . .
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Mar 21st, 2017, 01:03 PM
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But it mostly doesn't. I was tracked down at one airport (Busan, I think) to come look at my checked bag because I had a spare battery I had completely forgotten in the bottm. But at that point I had been through eleven airports including Busan itself without a murmur.
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Mar 21st, 2017, 01:27 PM
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Given that US carriers don't fly these routes how are they going to benefit? For flights from Dubai it's going to be European airlines that benefit
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Mar 21st, 2017, 01:59 PM
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In that case, why have US carriers been complaining about Middle East airlines?

See, e.g. http://crankyflier.com/2015/02/17/us...-do-they-know/
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Mar 23rd, 2017, 06:58 AM
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This does not make any sense in this day and age, when we all need our tablets etc. all the time esp. during travel.

Untrue.

You need none of that. Print it out like you did five years ago and bring a book.
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Mar 24th, 2017, 10:31 AM
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I can do without an iPad or tablet. It does however concern me checking a camera. I would be very "sad" to have that damaged or stolen.
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Mar 25th, 2017, 03:45 PM
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Yes, damage and theft of electronics is a definite concern. Airlines won't guarantee the safety or security of checked luggage, so this really puts travelers in a bad spot.
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Mar 26th, 2017, 02:18 PM
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One simple "remedy" -- pull the memory chip before you consign a camera to the hold.
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Mar 27th, 2017, 11:22 AM
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Yes you should definitely pull the memory chip. But that doesn't work for people who are just starting or in the middle of travels and could loose the camera etc.
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Mar 27th, 2017, 01:45 PM
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Pulling the memory chip will preserve any photos you haven't already saved, but I fail to see how it will prevent the camera being damaged or stolen.
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Mar 28th, 2017, 09:30 AM
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Agreed thursdaysd
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Mar 30th, 2017, 01:17 PM
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It won't prevent a theft of the camera ... but a camera can be replaced and can be insured. Photos cannot.
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