Best way to use UA FF miles SFO to SYD?

May 5th, 2012, 05:42 PM
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Great, Betsy. I've been wondering how you got along with this booking.

I just now booked my own frequent flier ticket for July, in first class (all saver) that goes from ORD-BKK (via HKG) and then BKK-SYD, and finally SYD-ORD (via SFO). I booked it as 3 one-way tickets. The total cost is 210,000 miles and $147.60. That's a long trip for two weeks, but in first class it's much more pleasant! I'm flying TG from BKK-SYD on the night flight. I've got 3---30th birthday parties to attend. The first one is in BKK and then the other two are a husband/wife couple from SYD, both with birthdays over the same weekend, so a big celebration for both of them at once.

I'm glad you got the tickets you were wanting. Enjoy!!!

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May 5th, 2012, 10:22 PM
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Carol, that trip should only cost you 160,000 as a single ticket. It is an ORD-SYD roundtrip with a stopover in BKK.

I verified this by doing a search for travel next March (March 5,9, and 16 travel days). It found your UA 881, TG 475 for SYD-BKK, and then UA for SYD-SFO-ORD - all of it in first class.

I used the multi-destination search and can get the ticket for 160,000 miles and $166.70.

Maybe if you call United they will change this, but I doubt it. I suggest going back and doing another search, this time multi-destination, and see if it is available. As a 1K there would be no redeposit or change fee.
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May 5th, 2012, 11:03 PM
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I just did some searching for July 10-17-24.

If I do a search for ORD-BKK on the 10th + BKK-SYD on the 17th, then I get UA ORD-HKG, TG HKG-BKK, and TG BKK-SYD. And then a one-way search for SYD-ORD and got UA via SFO. All in F. Cost is 210,000 miles

Same results if I search ORD-BKK + SYD-ORD and then one-way for BKK-SYD, I get the same results.

That is, if I put legs 1 and 2 on one ticket and leg 3 on another ticket, OR legs 1 and 3 on one ticket and leg 2 on another, then I can find saver F awards on those dates.

But if I do a multi-destination trip for all three legs then for the first leg I only see one option for ORD-BKK and it is a standard award for that leg at least.

I guess the trick for a multi-destination trip, if you don't find availability like I did for the March dates, is to search each leg separately and then call to see if the agent can put it together on one, cheaper, ticket.
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May 6th, 2012, 05:51 AM
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Mrwunfl, I didn't know that United allowed stopovers! Thanks for that information.
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May 6th, 2012, 07:15 AM
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I also didn't realize the stopover! I'll give them a call and see what I can do. Thanks heaps, mrwunrfl... you may have saved me some miles and money.
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May 6th, 2012, 08:03 AM
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Success!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah.....
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May 6th, 2012, 10:01 AM
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Oh yeah.

JaneB, MP has always allowed an enroute stopover (a connection greater than 24 hours) on regular roundtrip awards. I learned last night that, for a year now, MP allows a stopover on an open-jaw roundrip (old United MP allowed one stopover OR an open-jaw).

You can also make an up-to 23 hour 59 minute connection and it doesn't count as a stopover. So, for example, you could fly ORD-NRT arriving at 3:55 PM and the next day fly NRT-PEK at 3:15 PM and it is not a stopover.

There are "region rules" for stopovers. I am not clear on the rules.

The regions are listed on the award table (row or column titles) here:

Japan is a region. I once flew IAD-PEK with a stopover in Tokyo. Beijing is in the North Asia region, so the stop in Tokyo was allowed.

When the origin, destination, and stopover are in different regions (like Carol's trip: U.S. Mainland, South Asia, Australia regions) then the stopover is allowed.

One time, I wanted to book an award trip, NRT-ICN-NRT with a stopover at TOY but it was not allowed. ICN (Seoul) is in North Asia region, but TOY (Toyama, Japan) is in the same region as NRT.

But, somehow/sometimes a stopover is allowed when the ticket involves only two regions. I once called to find out that yes, I could make a stopover at enroute to Hawaii. My origin (IAD) and stopover (LAX or SFO) were both Mainland U.S. region with Hawaii being a different region.

Carol's trip probably would not have been bookable as a roundtrip with stopover under the pre-merger MileagePlus because of the maximum permitted mileage (MPM) rule(s). I once was able to book LAX-IAD-EZE (7505 miles) on an award but was refused for LAX-YYZ-SCL (7508 miles) because it exceeeded the MPM. Those days are gone, apparently.

When the stopover and destination regions have different mileage requirements, then you pay for the higher of the two. In first class, saver, U.S. to South Asia is 140K roundtrip. U.S. to Australia is 160K round trip. So, Carol pays the 160K for a Sydney destination with BKK being the stopover.
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May 6th, 2012, 11:04 AM
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Thanks again for the info that saved me $ and FF miles!! I'm going to remember this rule in the future.
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May 7th, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Carol, so how did it go when you called?

Were there additional seats available for the trip and they booked a second ticket & refunded the first? Or did they just combine the one-ways and, if so, did that do that naturally, as a matter of course, or did they make an exception for you, or what?
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May 16th, 2012, 03:17 PM
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Bill, I think what she did was to re-book the entire trip. She started off by refunding my $ and replacing miles. Does that sound like a complete now re-booking?

Kuranosuke emailed me and asked about my one-stopover round trip. He asked if he could make TWO stops on a R.T. to Asia (NRT and HKG). Do you know what the rules are for that? I suggested he call an agent.

Sorry my reply is about a week late... I've been busy getting ready to fly to ZRH tomorrow, and calling UA trying to get my DH upgraded so we could sit together in the upper deck. His upgrade FINALLY cleared today... 26 1/2 hours before the flt.
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May 20th, 2012, 04:16 PM
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Yes, that does sound like a re-ticketing. When she refunded your ticket the award seats you had didn't necessarily become available again. Guessing that there were additional seats already available for your flights and she snagged them before she did the refund.

For Ken: he can make one stopover and two open jaws. If he is just going HNL-NRT-HKG-HNL then it is a simple roundtrip to HKG with a stopover at NRT. I will try e-mailing him.

Last week I booked an award trip LAX-NRT-HKT returning from DEL with a stop in Qatar, to SNA. Am pretty sure that the LAX departure and SNA return makes for an open jaw. I filled in the first open-jaw with a one-way business class award ticket for HKT-DEL. First class for LAX-NRT-BKK and then business class for BKK-HKT-BKK-DEL-DOH-IAH and F for IAH-SNA. Cost: 170,000 miles and about $200 for an around the world trip. Plus a $225 roundtrip between Qatar and Dubai. One night at NRT, 4 in Phuket, 9 in India, and 4 nts in Dubai.
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May 20th, 2012, 09:58 PM
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Sounds like a nice trip, Bill.

We enjoyed our biz class flight ORD-FRA, upper deck. We have biz seats ZRH-IAD, but still waitlisted IAD-ORD. Doesn't really matter on that short hop anyway.
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