American Airlines: Please Read This

Jul 25th, 2006, 04:25 PM
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In the event of emergency, it is probably quite fair that business class pax are given priority for oxygen if it is in low supply. Pax at the front of the plane are more likely to perish in the event of an accident, so they deserve the advantage of using the oxygen to give them a level playing field.

As for the 'snobs' comment, this shows someone has an enormous chip on their shoulder. It doesn't matter if many business class pax are not paying 'their own dime' to travel. Their company pays a supplement so that their employees can have some priveleges.

Neither does it matter if they have used miles on their ticket or are SFU. They have paid for this through continued loyalty to an airline/alliance.

People don't pay to sit in a premium cabin only to have the dregs from economy walk up and down the aisles simply because there's a queue in the economy loo.

xyz, you are not banned from using the business class loo. There is a secret to use this. You pay for it. Many folk in business class pay such a premium on their tickets that it helps subsidise the economy cabin so people like yourself can fly on cheap tickets. The fact the you now wish to show your gratitude by taking a dump in a bathroom you are not permitted to use shows obnoxiousness I have not seen since I last watched FOX News.
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Jul 25th, 2006, 04:48 PM
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I don't know if the previous comments are meant tongue in cheek or are spam or are serious but if I've ever seen a snobbish attitude, that's it.
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Jul 25th, 2006, 05:49 PM
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xyz - do you think that maybe its pax like cosmic_toadstool that are the reason why business class is in the front of the plane where they are "more likely to perish"...
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Jul 26th, 2006, 06:29 AM
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Truly sick of the "subsidize" myth.

Elite class pax don't subsidize coach; coach pax subsidize elite class because someone has to pay for all those freqflyer awards that don't bring in revenue. And consumers of the products made by the companies flying their employees in bus/first class pay for them. And the taxpayers who have to compensate for the taxes industries no longer have to pay also pay for them.

And, for that matter, if those in front perish, it's extremely rare that they don't take the ones in back along with them.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 06:39 AM
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I have not read all the posts here, but I think some people should just stick with Southwest.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 07:13 AM
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I love the stories my TA tells about his squad of elites.They are not afraid to fly,they are just afraid to fly COACH.Might have to rub elbows with the "unwashed", you see.There's one guy who is a Global Services with UA, in my TA's words the most contankerous client he has ever had.Under no circumstances will he fly less than First Class.No way.And his "sh&%" has no odor as well....
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Jul 26th, 2006, 09:15 AM
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i think wally, who started this thread, is chuckling over his second glass of merlot.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 11:58 AM
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xyz -

I, personally, am not a snob. I don't travel in business class unless my staff travel priveleges turn up trumps.

However, when I purchase my own tickets, I would never dream of doing something so audacious and cheeky as to use a bathroom in a higher cabin. This pretty much constitutes theft as you are stealing a service you have not paid for.

You seem to be full of take, take, take and me, me, me with zero desire to pay for it.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 12:16 PM
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So put a coin-operated lock on the First Class loo.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 12:39 PM
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"This pretty much constitutes theft as you are stealing a service you have not paid for."

Perhaps the most absurd asinine statement about a loo I've ever heard!
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Jul 26th, 2006, 12:46 PM
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I've heard that 1st class loo has a no deposit, no return policy.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 01:26 PM
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I've also heard more than once that coachers using 1st class restrooms is now against TSA regs.

I just took this from Wikipedia:
Recently, Business and Economy Class passengers were barred from visiting the First Class cabin due to newly enforced security regulations (First Class being almost always at the front of the plane).
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Jul 26th, 2006, 02:07 PM
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"Perhaps the most absurd asinine statement about a loo I've ever heard!"

I hope you don't teach your children that theft is acceptable because it is 'absurd.'

So many American carriers are staring extinction in the face. They don't need economy pax helping them on their way to the graveyard by using their premium facilities on the cheap.

Such a shameful state of affairs and you proving to be indicative of the selfish, ungrateful and disrespectful generation that is sprawling across the USA.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 04:21 PM
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Next, I suppose, coach passengers will want to use the showers available to FC passengers arriving in Europe.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 04:35 PM
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coach pax subsidize elite class because someone has to pay for all those freqflyer awards that don't bring in revenue.</>

What about all those coach passengers flying on free mileage tickets?

Why isn't there outrage & doors being beaten down by nonmembers flying AA(for example) to use the Admiral Club's bathrooms? THEY'RE customers of AA. THEY'RE flying AA.
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Jul 26th, 2006, 10:28 PM
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About the high fares that business flyers use.

It is actually the company's shareholders who are paying the fare. It is a cost that subtracts from profit. In many/most cases, a company can't just "pass the cost on to the consumer" because the market, including the competition, sets the price of their product or service.
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Jul 27th, 2006, 04:35 AM
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(i)Such a shameful state of affairs and you proving to be indicative of the selfish, ungrateful and disrespectful generation that is sprawling across the USA.(/i)

Spoken like a true plutocrat lipofeline lipocephalic. You are demanding that an entire country -- not to mention anyone traveling in coach -- behave deferentially, even generously, to their "betters," toward whom they must be grateful for breadcrumbs (or rather 6 minipretzels in a bag and shared access with 65 other steerage travelers). Is obnoxed a word?
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Jul 27th, 2006, 06:51 AM
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Quite a lot of misinformation being tossed about here.

American carriers restrict access to forward loos in order to prevent congregations in the front of the plane and in the aisles, both for security and FA access reasons. Even if you're in FC you can't line up for the head; the FA will shoo you back. If you're coming all the way from coach, you can't even see the front when you get up, let alone if someone is already waiting. "Use the lavatory in the cabin in which you're ticketed" is a polite way of saying no coach pax up front. In my experience few biz/first pax feel the need to use the aft loos.

If you're seated in coach on a BA 747, just try to use the CW or FC loos and see what happens there.

Premium cabin traffic does indeed subsidise coach traffic on many routes, especially long-haul. And don't fall victim to thinking that people riding up front using mileage upgrades are getting away with anything. They paid (1 to 3 cents) per mile when they accumulated those miles; money that the airline has enjoyed using ever since the credit card got swiped. Elite level frequent flyers got that way because of extensive revenue travel, not because they rode around for free (or close to it) twice a year.

Yes, companies pay for premium seats, and pass the cost onto the consumer. However, they are not idiots and can do the math - a well rested business traveler is less likely to make poor decisions than a groggy one. In multi-million dollar enterprises a few thousand bux for sharper business travelers is money well spent, considering the alternative.
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Jul 27th, 2006, 12:21 PM
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There is a relationship between price and demand for a service or product. Demand for a service, say a loo, drops when the price increases, or in other words, the business class loo lineups are shorter precisely BECAUSE, not DESPITE the supposedly 'snotty' concept of differential fees for different cabin classes.

When you "gotta go?" Hey,as an economy class passenger, I don't line up for economy class loos because my needs are somehow less important or less urgent than those of you in economy class who feel you are above having to line up with hoi polloi such as myself (speaking of snobbery.)

Regarding those in dire straits, most economy class pax I've travelled with accept that some of their fellows have more pressing needs (pregnant women, someone obviously ill, etc. etc.)and will allow them to the head of the line. Failing that, the FAs will often adjudicate the situation. And it is the FAs who have the final jurisdiction (quite properly, in my view) to determine what is, and what is not, an emergency. As for the notion that to dispute the flight crew's rulings are somehow noble fights for egalitarianism, oh pullleeeze. I've yet to see anyone challenge an FA in the objective of advancing the better interests of the group as a whole, as opposed to advancing their own self interests exclusively. I've nothing against self interest per se, but please don't insult my intelligence by insisting self interest is somehow sacrifice or safety conscientiousness in disguise.

On the subject of safety and oxygen supply: Except for the pilots (who have their own independent supply) oxygen is fed to both cabins through a common system. If supply is low, the number of minutes of supply overall will be reduced, not just to any given class of passenger or individual.

Regarding wally's original question: there will always be those who will try to 'free-ride' a system. It is not a question of signage, but of enforcement.
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Jul 27th, 2006, 01:26 PM
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I don't believe an emergency exception for use of the front cabin lavatories would be at all practical, as so many people would just invent their own emergency, and no I'm not going to name names. I think too many people now try to get away with whatever they can; too few attempt to do the right thing.

But after they establish the biological need standard, can we anticipate their demanding wider seats?
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