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Seamus Aug 13th, 2013 12:58 PM

AA - US merger being challenged
 
USDOJ and six states plus DC are opposing the American - US Airways merger on the basis that it will reduce competition and result in fewer flights, higher prices. http://tinyurl.com/lus8qda
Well, of course it will! Maybe not at first, but eventually. Hard to drum up a lot of sympathy when revenue and profit are up, due in no small part to the fees introduced for everything from seat assignment to checked (maybe even carry on) baggage.

520 Aug 13th, 2013 02:33 PM

On the one hand, I'm thrilled--having been an American FF since the program started and not seeing that it was going to continue in a way that would be as generous as our experience has been with it ; on the other, do have concerns about its being able to emerge from bankruptcy --or compete successfully with all the other merged airlines.

sparkchaser Aug 13th, 2013 11:27 PM

I am not looking forward to the devaluing of my miles with US so I am looking to spend them ASAP.

NeoPatrick Aug 14th, 2013 04:22 AM

so it was just announced that last quarter American made a PROFIT of $200 million. I'm not sure what the US Air figure was, but believe it was similar. I'm curious how much they need to profit just to avoid complete bankruptcy? One of their arguments is that the merger is the "only" way for American to avoid bankruptcy.

Seamus Aug 15th, 2013 05:53 AM

exactly, Neo. IMO, in general in the post- AIG/Madoff/Citizens United world, there's great deal of skepticism about corporate financial reporting, but this does not seem like rocket science.

Gardyloo Aug 15th, 2013 06:29 AM

AA's profit in bankruptcy has to do with its ability to shed debt and "unprofitable" labor agreements that wasn't possible outside of bankruptcy protection. Lower costs + higher revenues = profits.

I've been reading the DoJ complaint and can only say that US' CEO, Doug Parker (the instigator of the merger) has a real problem with mouth/brain synchronization. I started out skeptical that the government could prevail; I've now switched my view. Talk about arrogance.

Seamus Aug 15th, 2013 12:56 PM

You are not alone in that assessment, gardy - arrogance is his rep, along with absence of any ethical principles in conducting business (yes, I know there are those who argue that "business ethics" is an oxymoron.) He managed to sweet talk some of the AA unions, sticking a fork in Horton's efforts and undermining AA's bargaining position. But if you talk to the folks at USAir they are far from content.
I have jumped back to United for now, will wait to see how this plays out.

Dukey1 Aug 17th, 2013 02:33 AM

According to a recent piece in the Washington post which I cannot now find it looks as if the Government has a very good case given some of the internal documents regarding the intent of the two companies once the merger is complete.

The anti-competition "evidence" apparently strong enough to have convinced even the Virginia Attny General to sign onto the case in support of the Fed.

I am not sure where anyone is getting the notion that their FF miles will be devalued with this merger, perhaps I missed that info.

It looks like this thing is going to die.

sparkchaser Aug 17th, 2013 07:42 AM

<i>I am not sure where anyone is getting the notion that their FF miles will be devalued with this merger, perhaps I missed that info.</i>

The award chart for 2014 had doubled.

NeoPatrick Aug 18th, 2013 05:11 AM

sparkchaser, which award chart doubled? American's? US Airways'? I've been looking at American's and also One World, and haven't seen any significant changes at all. Or are they still being kept secret?

kenav Aug 18th, 2013 06:01 AM

AA mile chart seems the same to me too.

BTW - Read an article that said this push against airline mergers should have already happened a while ago, with Delta, etc.

sparkchaser Aug 18th, 2013 06:15 AM

When I was researching awards on US Air's website, the amount of miles required for a ticket doubled for 2014. I just checked and now it's back to "normal". Maybe it was a database error?

NeoPatrick Aug 18th, 2013 08:49 AM

Maybe you inadvertently clicked for two tickets? I did that once.

sparkchaser Aug 18th, 2013 08:56 AM

Perhaps.

Gardyloo Nov 12th, 2013 08:04 AM

US and AA have settled their suit with the DoJ and the merger now appears to be on for December.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...231589811.html

NeoPatrick Nov 12th, 2013 08:47 AM

Interesting. Can't wait to find out what happens with ff miles in both airlines and reward ticket opportunities.


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