Seeking Recommendations for Safari (plus) in 2011
Feb 16th, 2011, 02:46 PM
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Seeking Recommendations for Safari (plus) in 2011
I would like to ask for assistance with the following:
We are a couple (M/F) that have traveled over much of SEA together and would like to branch out. One of our thoughts is to go to Africa, primarily to go on Safari. I have done some reading in the various threads and some research using various search engines. Our initial (not written in stone) requirements in approximate order of importance are:
1. Low cost but decent (or better) Safari experience:
a. "big 5", but female particularly wants to see giraffes and elephants
b. lodging preferred but camping is acceptable
c. good season (i.e. do not want to be out in the rain that much but some is ok as long as the animals are there.)
2. Good tourist experience (before and after the actual Safari)
a. inexpensive but clean hotel (private room with en-suite bathroom)
b. good, but inexpensive restaurants (not really picky eaters but organs and sweetbread are off the acceptable list)
c. interesting places to see (either man made or natural)
d. decent shopping for local arts and crafts (souvenirs and gifts)
e. "friendly" locals (it would be nice to get to know some local people if time and communication barriers allow. [English, Thai, Chinese, Cebuano and Filipino spoken by traveling couple])
3. Due to the history of South Africa, it is the last place on my list for visiting. HOWEVER, if South Africa is otherwise the best place to go I will travel there.
4. We can depart anytime from about 01 April until 31 December 2011. We have about 14 days or so for the trip. There is a little flexibility in the number of days available.
5. The budget is about USD$3,000.00 per person (total $6,000.00) NOT including international airfare (what the travel agencies/brochures call land only). There is some flexibility in the budget. However, we are not seeking luxury or exclusivity.
So, my questions are:
1. Where is the best place to go for Safari and what time of year? Going for migration might be the best time to view game but it is also the most expensive time to go. So, is there a good trade-off?
2. Is it better to book a Safari in advance or can we do it when in country? The two concerns here are cost and availability. Of course, we'd like to save money if possible but would rather not risk showing up and finding out that all the good guides/tours/sites were booked.
3. Recommendations for hotels in the gateway city?
4. Recommendations for reliable low cost carrier for intra-Africa flights? (ala Air Asia/Tiger Airways/JetStar Asia or something like the Cathay Pacific All-Asia Pass)?
5. Recommendations on the proposed budget vs the requirements? Two weeks in SEA is certainly doable at USD$2000/pp and one would be comfortable. Can it also be comfortable in Africa?
I hope I have provided enough information but if not please ask.
MITsbm
We are a couple (M/F) that have traveled over much of SEA together and would like to branch out. One of our thoughts is to go to Africa, primarily to go on Safari. I have done some reading in the various threads and some research using various search engines. Our initial (not written in stone) requirements in approximate order of importance are:
1. Low cost but decent (or better) Safari experience:
a. "big 5", but female particularly wants to see giraffes and elephants
b. lodging preferred but camping is acceptable
c. good season (i.e. do not want to be out in the rain that much but some is ok as long as the animals are there.)
2. Good tourist experience (before and after the actual Safari)
a. inexpensive but clean hotel (private room with en-suite bathroom)
b. good, but inexpensive restaurants (not really picky eaters but organs and sweetbread are off the acceptable list)
c. interesting places to see (either man made or natural)
d. decent shopping for local arts and crafts (souvenirs and gifts)
e. "friendly" locals (it would be nice to get to know some local people if time and communication barriers allow. [English, Thai, Chinese, Cebuano and Filipino spoken by traveling couple])
3. Due to the history of South Africa, it is the last place on my list for visiting. HOWEVER, if South Africa is otherwise the best place to go I will travel there.
4. We can depart anytime from about 01 April until 31 December 2011. We have about 14 days or so for the trip. There is a little flexibility in the number of days available.
5. The budget is about USD$3,000.00 per person (total $6,000.00) NOT including international airfare (what the travel agencies/brochures call land only). There is some flexibility in the budget. However, we are not seeking luxury or exclusivity.
So, my questions are:
1. Where is the best place to go for Safari and what time of year? Going for migration might be the best time to view game but it is also the most expensive time to go. So, is there a good trade-off?
2. Is it better to book a Safari in advance or can we do it when in country? The two concerns here are cost and availability. Of course, we'd like to save money if possible but would rather not risk showing up and finding out that all the good guides/tours/sites were booked.
3. Recommendations for hotels in the gateway city?
4. Recommendations for reliable low cost carrier for intra-Africa flights? (ala Air Asia/Tiger Airways/JetStar Asia or something like the Cathay Pacific All-Asia Pass)?
5. Recommendations on the proposed budget vs the requirements? Two weeks in SEA is certainly doable at USD$2000/pp and one would be comfortable. Can it also be comfortable in Africa?
I hope I have provided enough information but if not please ask.
MITsbm
Feb 16th, 2011, 05:55 PM
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Comments based on your detailed and helpful list of criteria:
Thanks for including the $6000 total for your trip. It appears you are open to a variety of countries. First time safaris tend to be to Kenya and Tanzania (mine was) or South Africa.
Giraffes are plentiful. You may wish to consider the hotel Giraffe Manor in Nairobi for your before safari experience. Giraffes stick their heads through your window and you share your breakfast toast. Less costly is Giraffe Center, nearby Giraffe Manor, where you can interact with giraffes for 30 minutes or so.
Some of the best places for elephants are: Samburu or Amboseli in Kenya; Tarangire in Tanzania (July-Oct); Chobe in Botswana (especially July-Oct); Hwange in Zimbabwe (July-Oct). Almost any safari itinerary would include some ele viewing.
There is a huge array of before/after the safari experiences from cities to townships to beaches to penguins to Great White Sharks to a Genocide Memorial. It also depends on whether you want merely a buffer day up front and a relaxation day at the end or whether you want to split your trip between safari and “other.”
For restaurants—while on safari your meals are taken at your lodging and I have always found the food to be great. Others can chime in on suggestions in various cities. No worries on organ meet or sweetbreads. I think you’d have to request them.
Lodging is usually less expensive than camping, unless you are self-driving with your own tent or joining a low-cost budget camping trip. Any reputable safari company will provide you with decent (and what you may consider stunning) lodging.
Interesting places—the whole safari will provide interesting natural sights. World Heritage Sites include Victoria Falls, viewed from Zimbabwe or Zambia; and the Ngorongoro Crater Conservation are in Tanzania. There are many other World Heritage sites in Africa.
Other interesting places (certainly not a complete list) include the scenic Cape of Good Hope in South Africa; Karen Blixen's home/museum in Nairobi, Kenya; village visits in Mto wa Mbu, Tanzania; Robbin Island, a ferry ride from Cape Town (contains the prison and prison cell where Nelson Mandela was held and tours are narrated by former guards and prisoners); Kirstenbosch Gardens near Cape Town, second in fame only to Vancouver Island’s Butchart Gardens; Soweto and the home of Mandela; the Apartheid Museum in Johannesburg.
Shopping—That varies from buying items from those you meet in villages to exquisite shops in Cape Town. Others can chime in. Your local guide can help. My local Cape Town guide (Wayne of Take2Tours) knew the best items to buy or eat in every establishment.
About the only city I hung out in and socialized locally was Simons Town, near Cape Town. Very friendly. In the bush, visiting with staff members is always a delight. Of the languages you speak, English would probably provide the most communication opportunities.
1. Where is the best place to go for Safari and what time of year? Going for migration might be the best time to view game but it is also the most expensive time to go. So, is there a good trade-off?
If migration is important, then you want East Africa--Kenya and Tanzania. See this chart for best wildlife viewing throughout the year in different spots. Changing climate makes this chart, or any chart, less accurate.
http://www.africa-adventure.com/dsp_besttime.html
A tradeoff might be to go to Kenya in June before high season pricing and hope the migration comes earlier as it did in 2010.
2. Is it better to book a Safari in advance or can we do it when in country?
I would book in advance, and always have, to avoid getting ripped off. But looking at your goals, which are heavier on non-safari activities. You might be able to book a several day safari with your city hotel after you arrive. If safari is the biggie, then I'd book in advance.
3. Recommendations for hotels in the gateway city?
Once you know where you are going, recommendations can be made. East Africa: Nairobi, Kenya. Kilimanjaro, Tanzania with 1st night's lodging in Kilimanjaro or Arusha, Tanzania. South Africa: Johannesburg or Cape Town
4. Recommendations for reliable low cost carrier for intra-Africa flights?
Again, depends where you are going. Charter flights between camps/lodges are generally arranged by your safari company or the lodge.
You can check these for flights between safari destinations in East Africa.
http://www.airkenya.com/destination_nanyuki.asp
http://www.flysafarilink.com/
http://www.regionaltanzania.com/
Kenya Airways goes between Nairobi, Kenya and Kilimanjaro, Tanzania. There is also ground transport. In 2 weeks, that is probably the only flight between countries you'd be taking if you go to East Africa.
http://www.kenya-airways.com/home/
5. Recommendations on the proposed budget vs the requirements? Two weeks in SEA is certainly doable at USD$2000/pp and one would be comfortable. Can it also be comfortable in Africa?
There are some group budget camping trips that would come in at $2k per person. Reputable companies offer them and I’m sure you’d have a good time and be comfortable, eat well, and see wildlife. Check to see what the vehicle seating arrangement is. Does everyone get a window? Can everyone pop up through the roof? How many per vehicle? For the camping trips, ask if you participate in putting up the camps or not.
To get a feel for pricing, check some of these sites. These offer some budget camping trips in the $2k range as well as trips in the $3k range.
http://www.essafari.co.ke/index.php
http://www.goodearthtours.com/
http://2afrika.com/m/portfolio.asp?LocationID=46
http://www.africa-adventure.com/safa...wildlife_trail
http://www.basecamptanzania.com/safaris.htm
I have gone with Eastern and Southern and with The Africa Adventure Company. Great trips. I’d go with the other companies listed.
You two may be good candidates for self driving in South Africa, based on your desire to do things beyond a safari and your desire to cut the budget. There are quite a few threads on self drives in South Africa if you search for them.
Have fun planning and you'll have a great trip.
Thanks for including the $6000 total for your trip. It appears you are open to a variety of countries. First time safaris tend to be to Kenya and Tanzania (mine was) or South Africa.
Giraffes are plentiful. You may wish to consider the hotel Giraffe Manor in Nairobi for your before safari experience. Giraffes stick their heads through your window and you share your breakfast toast. Less costly is Giraffe Center, nearby Giraffe Manor, where you can interact with giraffes for 30 minutes or so.
Some of the best places for elephants are: Samburu or Amboseli in Kenya; Tarangire in Tanzania (July-Oct); Chobe in Botswana (especially July-Oct); Hwange in Zimbabwe (July-Oct). Almost any safari itinerary would include some ele viewing.
There is a huge array of before/after the safari experiences from cities to townships to beaches to penguins to Great White Sharks to a Genocide Memorial. It also depends on whether you want merely a buffer day up front and a relaxation day at the end or whether you want to split your trip between safari and “other.”
For restaurants—while on safari your meals are taken at your lodging and I have always found the food to be great. Others can chime in on suggestions in various cities. No worries on organ meet or sweetbreads. I think you’d have to request them.
Lodging is usually less expensive than camping, unless you are self-driving with your own tent or joining a low-cost budget camping trip. Any reputable safari company will provide you with decent (and what you may consider stunning) lodging.
Interesting places—the whole safari will provide interesting natural sights. World Heritage Sites include Victoria Falls, viewed from Zimbabwe or Zambia; and the Ngorongoro Crater Conservation are in Tanzania. There are many other World Heritage sites in Africa.
Other interesting places (certainly not a complete list) include the scenic Cape of Good Hope in South Africa; Karen Blixen's home/museum in Nairobi, Kenya; village visits in Mto wa Mbu, Tanzania; Robbin Island, a ferry ride from Cape Town (contains the prison and prison cell where Nelson Mandela was held and tours are narrated by former guards and prisoners); Kirstenbosch Gardens near Cape Town, second in fame only to Vancouver Island’s Butchart Gardens; Soweto and the home of Mandela; the Apartheid Museum in Johannesburg.
Shopping—That varies from buying items from those you meet in villages to exquisite shops in Cape Town. Others can chime in. Your local guide can help. My local Cape Town guide (Wayne of Take2Tours) knew the best items to buy or eat in every establishment.
About the only city I hung out in and socialized locally was Simons Town, near Cape Town. Very friendly. In the bush, visiting with staff members is always a delight. Of the languages you speak, English would probably provide the most communication opportunities.
1. Where is the best place to go for Safari and what time of year? Going for migration might be the best time to view game but it is also the most expensive time to go. So, is there a good trade-off?
If migration is important, then you want East Africa--Kenya and Tanzania. See this chart for best wildlife viewing throughout the year in different spots. Changing climate makes this chart, or any chart, less accurate.
http://www.africa-adventure.com/dsp_besttime.html
A tradeoff might be to go to Kenya in June before high season pricing and hope the migration comes earlier as it did in 2010.
2. Is it better to book a Safari in advance or can we do it when in country?
I would book in advance, and always have, to avoid getting ripped off. But looking at your goals, which are heavier on non-safari activities. You might be able to book a several day safari with your city hotel after you arrive. If safari is the biggie, then I'd book in advance.
3. Recommendations for hotels in the gateway city?
Once you know where you are going, recommendations can be made. East Africa: Nairobi, Kenya. Kilimanjaro, Tanzania with 1st night's lodging in Kilimanjaro or Arusha, Tanzania. South Africa: Johannesburg or Cape Town
4. Recommendations for reliable low cost carrier for intra-Africa flights?
Again, depends where you are going. Charter flights between camps/lodges are generally arranged by your safari company or the lodge.
You can check these for flights between safari destinations in East Africa.
http://www.airkenya.com/destination_nanyuki.asp
http://www.flysafarilink.com/
http://www.regionaltanzania.com/
Kenya Airways goes between Nairobi, Kenya and Kilimanjaro, Tanzania. There is also ground transport. In 2 weeks, that is probably the only flight between countries you'd be taking if you go to East Africa.
http://www.kenya-airways.com/home/
5. Recommendations on the proposed budget vs the requirements? Two weeks in SEA is certainly doable at USD$2000/pp and one would be comfortable. Can it also be comfortable in Africa?
There are some group budget camping trips that would come in at $2k per person. Reputable companies offer them and I’m sure you’d have a good time and be comfortable, eat well, and see wildlife. Check to see what the vehicle seating arrangement is. Does everyone get a window? Can everyone pop up through the roof? How many per vehicle? For the camping trips, ask if you participate in putting up the camps or not.
To get a feel for pricing, check some of these sites. These offer some budget camping trips in the $2k range as well as trips in the $3k range.
http://www.essafari.co.ke/index.php
http://www.goodearthtours.com/
http://2afrika.com/m/portfolio.asp?LocationID=46
http://www.africa-adventure.com/safa...wildlife_trail
http://www.basecamptanzania.com/safaris.htm
I have gone with Eastern and Southern and with The Africa Adventure Company. Great trips. I’d go with the other companies listed.
You two may be good candidates for self driving in South Africa, based on your desire to do things beyond a safari and your desire to cut the budget. There are quite a few threads on self drives in South Africa if you search for them.
Have fun planning and you'll have a great trip.
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I would recommend you visit Kenya as you will get to see alot of things especially animals in their natural habitat and cultural experience.
We were there in January and the experience was great. You can as well contact Tropic Tours and Travel and they will be in a position to help you in your arrangements.
I would recommend you visit Kenya as you will get to see alot of things especially animals in their natural habitat and cultural experience.
We were there in January and the experience was great. You can as well contact Tropic Tours and Travel and they will be in a position to help you in your arrangements.
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atravelynn:
Thank you for your prompt reply. You seem to be very knowledgeable and popular based on the various trip reports that I have read on Fodors.com.
I didn't want to restrict destinations in my first post as I thought that it might prevent someone from posing about a destination that I may have overlooked. However, I am pretty much torn between Kenya and South Africa. I have a preference to go see Kenya but I have no explanation as to why. It is just when I think Safari, I think Kenya for some reason. But so far it seems that a stay of 14 days would be more expensive than my budget for this year's trip. South Africa appears to be a great destination for our overall goals and fairly straight forward for a first timer with lots to do when not on Safari. However, I am concerned about the oppression of Black people in South Africa. However, as has been pointed out in another thread, one can not discount a whole country or region or reserve because some operators conduct themselves in a way that is offensive. (That post was about the hunting of animals on reserves.)
KENYA/TANZANIA
My idea of a perfect trip to East Africa would be to see the migration, being up close to the animals - Elephant, Giraffe in particular because that is what my lady likes but also would like to see what is other animals there are to see. Furthermore, we would like to know the local culture and potentially make some Kenyan friends.
A potential itinerary that I have considered is (self made):
Day 1: Noon arrival. Check into hotel. Visit Uhuru Park or Jamia Mosque. Dinner at Tamarind Restaurant. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 2: Visit National Museum. Lunch. Visit Giraffe Center. Dinner at Carnivore.
Day 3: Morning drive to Masai Mara. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 4: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 5: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 6: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening drive to Nairobi. Dinner. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 7: Morning drive to Amboseli. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 8: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 9: Morning drive to Mombasa w/ lunch enroute. Free time. Dinner.
Day 10: Visit Mombasa Marine Park. Lunch. Remainder of day at Beach. Dinner. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 11: Visit Mwaluganje Elephant Sanctuary. Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 12: Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 13: Afternoon flight to Nairobi. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 14: Visit National Archives. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 15: Morning free. Evening flight for Home.
South Africa (Kruger, JNB and Cape Town)
Day 1: Morning arrival in JNB. Pickup rental vehicle. Check into hotel. Free time. Dinner at Carnivore.
Day 2: Morning drive to Kruger. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Night Game Drive. Overnight in or near Kruger.
Day 3: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Walk. Dinner. Overnight in Kruger.
Day 4. Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Kruger.
Day 5. Morning depart Kruger. Return rental vehicle. Mid Afternoon flight to Cape Town. Pickup rental vehicle. Check into hotel. Dinner. Overnight in Cape Town.
Day 6. Morning visit to Kirstenbosch National Botanic Gardens. Lunch. Boulders Beach (penguin viewing). Table Mountain for Dinner. Overnight in Cape Town.
Day 7. Morning visit to Two Oceans Aquarium. Lunch. Aquarium & Greenmarket Square. Dinner @ Long Street. Overnight in Cape Town.
Day 8: Morning depart to Addo Elephant National Park. Lunch enroute. Check into basecamp. Dinner. Overnight in Addo.
Day 9: Elephant trekking. Overnight in Addo.
Day 10: Morning free time. Depart for Garden Route National Park at noon. Lunch enroute. Overnight at Garden Route National Park.
Day 11: Depart for Cape Town. Lunch enroute. Check into hotel. Dinner.
Day 12: Return rental vehicle. Depart Cape Town on Premier Train going to Johannesburg. Lunch and Dinner onboard train. Overnight on train.
Day 13: Arrive in Johannesburg early to late afternoon. Lunch aboard train. Check into hotel. Dinner.
Day 14: Visit Cradle of Humankind. Shopping.
Day 15: Morning free. Night flight for Home.
Are either one of those itineraries doable? If so, are they a good use of time? I am open to any and all recommendations keeping in mind the requirements as stated in my original post. We are able to extend our time in country to 21 days but I am not sure if there are visa limitations as one of the traveling party is from the Philippines (the other is from the USA). I have not found anything online that would indicate there would be a problem staying that long but then again it is always up to the Immigration Official at the port of entry!!
So, back to some questions:
1. Any recommendations for hotels/lodging for the itineraries? Would rather not spend a whole lot per night on accommodation. But must have clean rooms preferable with A/C. Don't need LCD TV, mini bar, etc.
2. I found this list/review of lodging for Kruger. ... http://www.fodors.com/community/afri...und-kruger.cfm
But have not yet had time to look at all the options.
3. Are there any other options for the elephant safari? I'd rather not use up four days on it as I have in the SA plan but it is almost a must for my traveling partner. (note: I am including the Garden Route National Park days because we wouldn't go there if we weren't going for the elephant trek.)
4. The Premier train in SA is almost a must as my travel partner has never been on an overnight train ride with sleeper cars.
oh, and just to be clear. It is my plan to visit each country only once. But that being said, I planned a once in a lifetime vacation to Thailand and the Philippines in 1998. I have traveled to one of those countries at least once every year since then and in many years I made multiple trips. But airfare used to be much more of a bargain than it is today. And the US Dollar was a lot stronger in comparison to the local currencies than it is today.
Thank you for your prompt reply. You seem to be very knowledgeable and popular based on the various trip reports that I have read on Fodors.com.
I didn't want to restrict destinations in my first post as I thought that it might prevent someone from posing about a destination that I may have overlooked. However, I am pretty much torn between Kenya and South Africa. I have a preference to go see Kenya but I have no explanation as to why. It is just when I think Safari, I think Kenya for some reason. But so far it seems that a stay of 14 days would be more expensive than my budget for this year's trip. South Africa appears to be a great destination for our overall goals and fairly straight forward for a first timer with lots to do when not on Safari. However, I am concerned about the oppression of Black people in South Africa. However, as has been pointed out in another thread, one can not discount a whole country or region or reserve because some operators conduct themselves in a way that is offensive. (That post was about the hunting of animals on reserves.)
KENYA/TANZANIA
My idea of a perfect trip to East Africa would be to see the migration, being up close to the animals - Elephant, Giraffe in particular because that is what my lady likes but also would like to see what is other animals there are to see. Furthermore, we would like to know the local culture and potentially make some Kenyan friends.
A potential itinerary that I have considered is (self made):
Day 1: Noon arrival. Check into hotel. Visit Uhuru Park or Jamia Mosque. Dinner at Tamarind Restaurant. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 2: Visit National Museum. Lunch. Visit Giraffe Center. Dinner at Carnivore.
Day 3: Morning drive to Masai Mara. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 4: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 5: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 6: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening drive to Nairobi. Dinner. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 7: Morning drive to Amboseli. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 8: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 9: Morning drive to Mombasa w/ lunch enroute. Free time. Dinner.
Day 10: Visit Mombasa Marine Park. Lunch. Remainder of day at Beach. Dinner. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 11: Visit Mwaluganje Elephant Sanctuary. Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 12: Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 13: Afternoon flight to Nairobi. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 14: Visit National Archives. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 15: Morning free. Evening flight for Home.
South Africa (Kruger, JNB and Cape Town)
Day 1: Morning arrival in JNB. Pickup rental vehicle. Check into hotel. Free time. Dinner at Carnivore.
Day 2: Morning drive to Kruger. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Night Game Drive. Overnight in or near Kruger.
Day 3: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Walk. Dinner. Overnight in Kruger.
Day 4. Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Kruger.
Day 5. Morning depart Kruger. Return rental vehicle. Mid Afternoon flight to Cape Town. Pickup rental vehicle. Check into hotel. Dinner. Overnight in Cape Town.
Day 6. Morning visit to Kirstenbosch National Botanic Gardens. Lunch. Boulders Beach (penguin viewing). Table Mountain for Dinner. Overnight in Cape Town.
Day 7. Morning visit to Two Oceans Aquarium. Lunch. Aquarium & Greenmarket Square. Dinner @ Long Street. Overnight in Cape Town.
Day 8: Morning depart to Addo Elephant National Park. Lunch enroute. Check into basecamp. Dinner. Overnight in Addo.
Day 9: Elephant trekking. Overnight in Addo.
Day 10: Morning free time. Depart for Garden Route National Park at noon. Lunch enroute. Overnight at Garden Route National Park.
Day 11: Depart for Cape Town. Lunch enroute. Check into hotel. Dinner.
Day 12: Return rental vehicle. Depart Cape Town on Premier Train going to Johannesburg. Lunch and Dinner onboard train. Overnight on train.
Day 13: Arrive in Johannesburg early to late afternoon. Lunch aboard train. Check into hotel. Dinner.
Day 14: Visit Cradle of Humankind. Shopping.
Day 15: Morning free. Night flight for Home.
Are either one of those itineraries doable? If so, are they a good use of time? I am open to any and all recommendations keeping in mind the requirements as stated in my original post. We are able to extend our time in country to 21 days but I am not sure if there are visa limitations as one of the traveling party is from the Philippines (the other is from the USA). I have not found anything online that would indicate there would be a problem staying that long but then again it is always up to the Immigration Official at the port of entry!!
So, back to some questions:
1. Any recommendations for hotels/lodging for the itineraries? Would rather not spend a whole lot per night on accommodation. But must have clean rooms preferable with A/C. Don't need LCD TV, mini bar, etc.
2. I found this list/review of lodging for Kruger. ... http://www.fodors.com/community/afri...und-kruger.cfm
But have not yet had time to look at all the options.
3. Are there any other options for the elephant safari? I'd rather not use up four days on it as I have in the SA plan but it is almost a must for my traveling partner. (note: I am including the Garden Route National Park days because we wouldn't go there if we weren't going for the elephant trek.)
4. The Premier train in SA is almost a must as my travel partner has never been on an overnight train ride with sleeper cars.
oh, and just to be clear. It is my plan to visit each country only once. But that being said, I planned a once in a lifetime vacation to Thailand and the Philippines in 1998. I have traveled to one of those countries at least once every year since then and in many years I made multiple trips. But airfare used to be much more of a bargain than it is today. And the US Dollar was a lot stronger in comparison to the local currencies than it is today.
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MITsbm,
Just note that the suggestion for Tropic Tours and Travel is from someone who has posted nothing but that one suggestion. I'd be very wary.
A potential itinerary that I have considered is (self made):
Day 1: Noon arrival. Check into hotel. Visit Uhuru Park or Jamia Mosque. Dinner at Tamarind Restaurant. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 2: Visit National Museum. Lunch. Visit Giraffe Center. Dinner at Carnivore.
Day 3: Morning drive to Masai Mara. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 4: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 5: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 6: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening drive to Nairobi. Dinner. Overnight in Nairobi.
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Your drive back to NBO (5-7 hours, depending on where you left from and what you saw while leaving the park) would take most of the day as opposed to an evening drive.
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Day 7: Morning drive to Amboseli. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 8: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 9: Morning drive to Mombasa w/ lunch enroute. Free time. Dinner.
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Doesn't it take about 9 hours to go from Amboseli to Mombasa by car? I hope others can give you info on Mombasa
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Day 10: Visit Mombasa Marine Park. Lunch. Remainder of day at Beach. Dinner. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 11: Visit Mwaluganje Elephant Sanctuary. Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 12: Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 13: Afternoon flight to Nairobi. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 14: Visit National Archives. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 15: Morning free. Evening flight for Home.
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Based on your goals, I think this itinerary would do it within your budget. Amboseli is noted for eles and giraffes are all over the Mara and Amboseli. Tell your guide you have an interest in giraffes and eles.
Point on semantics: Instead of "evening drive," you would do an afternoon drive that ends at sundown. It is possible to do night drives in the Mara and at select locations in Amboseli if you wanted to go out with spoltlights at night.
I'm thinking this is a private trip for the 2 of you. You could submit the itinerary to companies such as
Eastern and Southern in NBO
Africa Serendipity in NYC
The Africa Adventure CO in Ft. Lauderdale
There are many more than these, but these have been used successfully by people on this forum. You can check East Africa Index for a lot more companies.
Can you contact the Phillipines embassy to get your visa question answered? That would be my first step. There certainly would be another week of fun stuff you could include in your itinerary if your budget allowed.
Like you, for my first trip, I thought Kenya too. I added Tanzania. Kenya is a great place for a first, only, or repeat safari.
Just note that the suggestion for Tropic Tours and Travel is from someone who has posted nothing but that one suggestion. I'd be very wary.
A potential itinerary that I have considered is (self made):
Day 1: Noon arrival. Check into hotel. Visit Uhuru Park or Jamia Mosque. Dinner at Tamarind Restaurant. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 2: Visit National Museum. Lunch. Visit Giraffe Center. Dinner at Carnivore.
Day 3: Morning drive to Masai Mara. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 4: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 5: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Masai Mara.
Day 6: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening drive to Nairobi. Dinner. Overnight in Nairobi.
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Your drive back to NBO (5-7 hours, depending on where you left from and what you saw while leaving the park) would take most of the day as opposed to an evening drive.
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Day 7: Morning drive to Amboseli. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 8: Morning Game Drive. Lunch. Evening Game Drive. Dinner. Overnight in Amboseli.
Day 9: Morning drive to Mombasa w/ lunch enroute. Free time. Dinner.
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Doesn't it take about 9 hours to go from Amboseli to Mombasa by car? I hope others can give you info on Mombasa
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Day 10: Visit Mombasa Marine Park. Lunch. Remainder of day at Beach. Dinner. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 11: Visit Mwaluganje Elephant Sanctuary. Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 12: Relax at Beach. Overnight in Mombasa.
Day 13: Afternoon flight to Nairobi. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 14: Visit National Archives. Shopping. Overnight in Nairobi.
Day 15: Morning free. Evening flight for Home.
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Based on your goals, I think this itinerary would do it within your budget. Amboseli is noted for eles and giraffes are all over the Mara and Amboseli. Tell your guide you have an interest in giraffes and eles.
Point on semantics: Instead of "evening drive," you would do an afternoon drive that ends at sundown. It is possible to do night drives in the Mara and at select locations in Amboseli if you wanted to go out with spoltlights at night.
I'm thinking this is a private trip for the 2 of you. You could submit the itinerary to companies such as
Eastern and Southern in NBO
Africa Serendipity in NYC
The Africa Adventure CO in Ft. Lauderdale
There are many more than these, but these have been used successfully by people on this forum. You can check East Africa Index for a lot more companies.
Can you contact the Phillipines embassy to get your visa question answered? That would be my first step. There certainly would be another week of fun stuff you could include in your itinerary if your budget allowed.
Like you, for my first trip, I thought Kenya too. I added Tanzania. Kenya is a great place for a first, only, or repeat safari.
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Your 2nd itinerary looks good to me in concept, and would meet your goals and budget, but I don't know about drive times/logistics. You may want to post it separately, seeking assistance those who have done something similar.
Since you asked about interesting things and you'll be flexible with your own vehicle and you want to see the penguins in Boulders Bay in Simons Town, let me suggest:
*A morning Great White Shark visit in False Bay with African Shark Eco-Charters if you will be visitng June-Sept.
*A safe, guided, leisurely baboon walk with Baboon Matters.
These could be done on the same day and I've done it twice. Sharks in morning and baboons in afternoon. It's a long and tiring day, but well worth it. Both should be scheduled in advance.
*A look at the Just Nuisance statue in a central area of Simons Town. Takes 3 minutes to admire the statue and snap some shots and another 10 to read about its heartwarming signficance on a nearby placque.
Since you asked about interesting things and you'll be flexible with your own vehicle and you want to see the penguins in Boulders Bay in Simons Town, let me suggest:
*A morning Great White Shark visit in False Bay with African Shark Eco-Charters if you will be visitng June-Sept.
*A safe, guided, leisurely baboon walk with Baboon Matters.
These could be done on the same day and I've done it twice. Sharks in morning and baboons in afternoon. It's a long and tiring day, but well worth it. Both should be scheduled in advance.
*A look at the Just Nuisance statue in a central area of Simons Town. Takes 3 minutes to admire the statue and snap some shots and another 10 to read about its heartwarming signficance on a nearby placque.
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Lynn gave you some very useful info. A visit to East Africa/Kenya will be different than one to South Africa. Agree with Lynn that from Amboseli, it will take an entire day to drive to Mombasa transiting thru Tsavo West and East to the coast.
Both countries are based on seasons, for best game viewing and, of course, prices. Peak season in Kenya for the "migration" will be from mid-June thru Sep or Oct which the highest prices, naturally.
You maybe fortunate as many were in June 2010, that the migration arrives early, but even if not, prices are still at mid-season at most lodges/camps and plenty of game regardless. Unlike us humans, they don't go on vacation.
You also show many days in Nairobi and while there can be lots to see, most people spend maximum 2/days - visiting the government areas, Sheldrick Elephant Orphanage, Giraffe Center (forget the Giraffe Manor, while on same grounds as Giraffe Center... too expensive for your budget), Karen Blixen House, markets, bomas, temples, etc.... and then maybe the last day (or half-day) before boarding evening homebound flight.
Your safari days will be more expensive than those at Mombasa, where maybe 3/full days only is needed. I'd use any days taken from Mombasa for safari, with a visit to Lake Nakuru (flamingoes, Rothschild giraffe, rhino) or Naivasha (Crescent Isl for walking safari amongst tame game, hiking at Hells Gate Park; maybe the private Ol Pejeta Conservancy, 100K acres, Chimp sanctuary, night game drives, rhino, Grevy's zebra, community projects. These latter, only 2-3/hrs north of Nairobi for 2/days, then south to the Mara, and then to Amboseli, and finally out to Mombasa.
Both countries are based on seasons, for best game viewing and, of course, prices. Peak season in Kenya for the "migration" will be from mid-June thru Sep or Oct which the highest prices, naturally.
You maybe fortunate as many were in June 2010, that the migration arrives early, but even if not, prices are still at mid-season at most lodges/camps and plenty of game regardless. Unlike us humans, they don't go on vacation.
You also show many days in Nairobi and while there can be lots to see, most people spend maximum 2/days - visiting the government areas, Sheldrick Elephant Orphanage, Giraffe Center (forget the Giraffe Manor, while on same grounds as Giraffe Center... too expensive for your budget), Karen Blixen House, markets, bomas, temples, etc.... and then maybe the last day (or half-day) before boarding evening homebound flight.
Your safari days will be more expensive than those at Mombasa, where maybe 3/full days only is needed. I'd use any days taken from Mombasa for safari, with a visit to Lake Nakuru (flamingoes, Rothschild giraffe, rhino) or Naivasha (Crescent Isl for walking safari amongst tame game, hiking at Hells Gate Park; maybe the private Ol Pejeta Conservancy, 100K acres, Chimp sanctuary, night game drives, rhino, Grevy's zebra, community projects. These latter, only 2-3/hrs north of Nairobi for 2/days, then south to the Mara, and then to Amboseli, and finally out to Mombasa.
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I am a S Africa visitor, so I am only commenting on that itinerary. You need to check with google maps or the like for distances and drive times. It is at least 6 hours to Kruger from JNB. Your other drive times are also unrealistic.
Are you going to Kruger National Park or the private reserves around Kruger? The private reserves provide all or most of your creature comforts - some at a very high price - Kruger is like any US national park where you get a room and then do your own thing for food, game drives, etc.
Like you, I like to do a lot on vacation. But I think you are overdoing it quite a bit, and your drives and transfers take longer than you estimate. I am exhausted reading your itinerary. You could go from Kruger to Swaziland to Hluhluwe, Mkuze, Tembe, Phinda or Thanda (all in KwaZulu Natal, depends on budget) to Durban, drop off rental car, fly Cape Town and train to Joburg. Personally, I'd skip the train, but I've done it elsewhere. Not as sexy as it sounds. This is the three week, affordable trip we are doing this year - all of the pricing is shown if you are interested:
http://www.fodors.com/community/afri...afari-2011.cfm
Not sure what you mean by "elephant trek". In Kruger, you will see elephants. Almost all reserves and parks in S Africa have them. You might actually get bored with them after seeing quite a few (Just kidding - they are magnificent). If you mean riding elephants, please don't. (Just a warning from SV from beyond). Tembe has the largest elephants in the world, according to them. And the tribal community runs the park (even better). http://www.tembe.co.za/
S Africa is only 20 years past apartheid and although we would all like there to be more progress there is much to celebrate. And you should go to Robben Island while in Cape Town. I'm surprised you left it off your list.
So in short
Kruger, Swaziland, Tembe, Hluhluwe, return car in Durban, fly Cape Town, train Joburg would be my choice for a well-rounded, many safari days, some culture especially in Swaziland and KwaZulu Natal, affordable, interesting S Africa trip. Stay at least two nights everywhere, preferably 3 in most.
You can go to Addo and the Garden Route next time (there will be a next time!!).
Are you going to Kruger National Park or the private reserves around Kruger? The private reserves provide all or most of your creature comforts - some at a very high price - Kruger is like any US national park where you get a room and then do your own thing for food, game drives, etc.
Like you, I like to do a lot on vacation. But I think you are overdoing it quite a bit, and your drives and transfers take longer than you estimate. I am exhausted reading your itinerary. You could go from Kruger to Swaziland to Hluhluwe, Mkuze, Tembe, Phinda or Thanda (all in KwaZulu Natal, depends on budget) to Durban, drop off rental car, fly Cape Town and train to Joburg. Personally, I'd skip the train, but I've done it elsewhere. Not as sexy as it sounds. This is the three week, affordable trip we are doing this year - all of the pricing is shown if you are interested:
http://www.fodors.com/community/afri...afari-2011.cfm
Not sure what you mean by "elephant trek". In Kruger, you will see elephants. Almost all reserves and parks in S Africa have them. You might actually get bored with them after seeing quite a few (Just kidding - they are magnificent). If you mean riding elephants, please don't. (Just a warning from SV from beyond). Tembe has the largest elephants in the world, according to them. And the tribal community runs the park (even better). http://www.tembe.co.za/
S Africa is only 20 years past apartheid and although we would all like there to be more progress there is much to celebrate. And you should go to Robben Island while in Cape Town. I'm surprised you left it off your list.
So in short
Kruger, Swaziland, Tembe, Hluhluwe, return car in Durban, fly Cape Town, train Joburg would be my choice for a well-rounded, many safari days, some culture especially in Swaziland and KwaZulu Natal, affordable, interesting S Africa trip. Stay at least two nights everywhere, preferably 3 in most.
You can go to Addo and the Garden Route next time (there will be a next time!!).
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christabir:
Thank you for your insights and recommendations. I did look at google maps and actually put in destinations for the various trip times. I think that I didn't express myself very well in the post because I did realize that driving times were substantial. JNB-Kruger 6 hours if all goes well and Cape Town to Addo 9.5 hours if all goes well. I had thought about driving from Kruger to Cape Town but the drive was 24+ hours depending on the route. However, I will take another look at my proposed itinerary and make adjustments as needed as well as develop a clearer format.
Thanks for referring me to your trip plan with pricing. I will definitely take a look at it. I will also be more specific with my lodging choices where I can. Once again, We (my traveling partner and I) are not luxury type travelers. We don't find value in having marble bathrooms, giant LCD TVs, people waiting on us hand and foot, etc. We'd rather forego those type of luxuries and spend a little more on good local food, maybe an extra excursion or even just saving it for another trip or a rainy day. So, we are not likely to do very much in the way of the Sabi Sands luxury/private lodges though we may go for a couple of nights at one IF (and it is a big if) we can be assured of seeing something worthwhile that can not otherwise be seen.
sandi:
Thanks for your input on Kenya. The itinerary that I have listed for Kenya is much more relaxed that the one for South Africa and includes a lot of time in Nairobi and Mombassa for a reason. And that reason is that we don't want to feel too rushed and to have some time to take advantage of circumstances. When traveling we do like to meet local people and not just those in the tourist service industry. Maybe even make a new friend or two. And of course, a beach vacation should always be leisurely in my opinion. Though I can not say if we will like the beaches in Kenya. I haven't really heard much about them or seen many pictures. And, quite honestly, the Philippines has some amazingly unspoiled beaches. All that being said I will seriously consider the other locations that you mentioned. Lake Nakuru (flamingoes, Rothschild giraffe, rhino) or Naivasha (Crescent Isl for walking safari amongst tame game) both sound appealing to be, but I have to clear it with my other-half.
atravelynn:
Thanks for the additional input. I will be revamping my itineraries and doing some costing to see where my budget (time and money) breaks.
Hopefully, will be posting again within the next 24 hours.
MITsbm.
Thank you for your insights and recommendations. I did look at google maps and actually put in destinations for the various trip times. I think that I didn't express myself very well in the post because I did realize that driving times were substantial. JNB-Kruger 6 hours if all goes well and Cape Town to Addo 9.5 hours if all goes well. I had thought about driving from Kruger to Cape Town but the drive was 24+ hours depending on the route. However, I will take another look at my proposed itinerary and make adjustments as needed as well as develop a clearer format.
Thanks for referring me to your trip plan with pricing. I will definitely take a look at it. I will also be more specific with my lodging choices where I can. Once again, We (my traveling partner and I) are not luxury type travelers. We don't find value in having marble bathrooms, giant LCD TVs, people waiting on us hand and foot, etc. We'd rather forego those type of luxuries and spend a little more on good local food, maybe an extra excursion or even just saving it for another trip or a rainy day. So, we are not likely to do very much in the way of the Sabi Sands luxury/private lodges though we may go for a couple of nights at one IF (and it is a big if) we can be assured of seeing something worthwhile that can not otherwise be seen.
sandi:
Thanks for your input on Kenya. The itinerary that I have listed for Kenya is much more relaxed that the one for South Africa and includes a lot of time in Nairobi and Mombassa for a reason. And that reason is that we don't want to feel too rushed and to have some time to take advantage of circumstances. When traveling we do like to meet local people and not just those in the tourist service industry. Maybe even make a new friend or two. And of course, a beach vacation should always be leisurely in my opinion. Though I can not say if we will like the beaches in Kenya. I haven't really heard much about them or seen many pictures. And, quite honestly, the Philippines has some amazingly unspoiled beaches. All that being said I will seriously consider the other locations that you mentioned. Lake Nakuru (flamingoes, Rothschild giraffe, rhino) or Naivasha (Crescent Isl for walking safari amongst tame game) both sound appealing to be, but I have to clear it with my other-half.
atravelynn:
Thanks for the additional input. I will be revamping my itineraries and doing some costing to see where my budget (time and money) breaks.
Hopefully, will be posting again within the next 24 hours.
MITsbm.
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I prefer to not pay for luxury that we don't need, either. Gives us the opportunity to safari more often, and see the same animals as when paying a lot more.There are no high end options in our June trip, and if you prefer to self cater, there are more affordable camps/parks in Kruger, Swaziland and Hluhluwe. Tembe Elephant Park, at the top of our budget, just looks like a special place and we planned the whole trip so we could visit. If Addo is a must, you could fly to Port Elizabeth, rent a car and drive just the one way to Cape Town. Mountain Zebra NP is nearby, too. The waterfront camp at Storms River looks outstanding on the Garden Route. Since you are open to self catering, you could do your trip for MUCH less than I can.
I didn't mention Sabi Sands and your OP made it pretty clear that wasn't the type of trip you were interested in. We did go in 2009 and stayed at Arathusa. Affordable for Sabi Sands, but this time we are trying camps pixelpower recommends in other private reserves and in the National Parks. Yes, Sabi Sands has lots of animals and you'll see everything, but at a price. All depends on what you consider a value.
I don't like to drive at night when traveling, so since we are traveling in June we had to take into account the short days. Game drives are also later in the AM and earlier in the PM, so the days get very short to not miss game drives. Just another twist. We only have one travel day over 4 hours with a missed game drive, making for a less rushed feel.
I didn't mention Sabi Sands and your OP made it pretty clear that wasn't the type of trip you were interested in. We did go in 2009 and stayed at Arathusa. Affordable for Sabi Sands, but this time we are trying camps pixelpower recommends in other private reserves and in the National Parks. Yes, Sabi Sands has lots of animals and you'll see everything, but at a price. All depends on what you consider a value.
I don't like to drive at night when traveling, so since we are traveling in June we had to take into account the short days. Game drives are also later in the AM and earlier in the PM, so the days get very short to not miss game drives. Just another twist. We only have one travel day over 4 hours with a missed game drive, making for a less rushed feel.
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Hey MITsbn,
Oppression of the black man is definitely over in RSA. Yes, they have a bit of catching up to do sometimes (game ranger licenses, or even knowledge of English), but I have seen plenty of black trackers, and in Pungwe we had a black guide. So not just hotel cleaning & cooking personnel anymore. Also, they are getting into nature reserve management as well. Like Manyeleti GR, that officialy was transferred to the community at the end of last year. Definitely a place to keep an eye on.
As for your itinerary; as I know most about RSA, I can only propose that country. TBH it also is the best for your budget (price/quality).
Here's a list of reasonably priced lodges throughout the greater Kruger area:
(Important; most prices are from 2009/2010, so they may have aged a bit. Listing all the reasonably priced lodges is an exercise I did last year before booking my safari)
Good maps:
http://www.sa-venues.com/game-reserv...es-lowveld.htm (complete Kruger area)
http://www.sabisand.co.za/ssw-map.html (only Sabi Sands, shows traversing rights)
The list:
Lodge: Edeni Hoyo Hoyo Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: www.edeni.com
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Edeni Hoyo Hoyo River Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: www.edeni.com
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2000/200/300
Lodge: Edeni Hoyo Hoyo Bush Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: www.edeni.com
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2000/200/300
Lodge: Kuname River Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: http://www.kuname.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2000/200/300
Lodge: Mopaya Safari Lodge
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.mopayasafari.co.za/english/default.htm
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2650/265/400
Lodge: Nokana Safari Camp
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.mopayasafari.co.za/english/default.htm
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1350/135/200
Lodge: Tangala Lodge
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.tangala.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1500/150/225
Lodge: Thornybush Chapungu
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.chapungulodge.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Jackalberry safari lodge
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://thornybush.krugerpark.co.za/F...ckalberry.html
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Hoyo Hoyo Tsonga lodge
Location: Kruger NP, center-west
Web: http://www.hoyohoyo.co.za/hoyo-hoyo/index.jsp
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2900/290/450
Lodge: Isibindi Rhino Post Safari lodge
Location: Kruger NP, center-west
Web: http://www.isibindiafrica.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2200/220/330
Lodge: Isibindi Plains Camp
Location: Kruger NP, center-west
Web: http://www.isibindiafrica.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Mohlabetsi Lodge
Location: Balule Game Reserve
Web: http://www.mohlabetsi.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1650/165/245
Lodge: Pondoro Game Lodge
Location: Balule GR
Web: http://www.pondoro.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1900/190/300
Lodge: Makalali Private Game Lodge
Location: Makalali Private Game Reserve
Web: http://www.makalali.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Kitara Camp
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.klaseriecamps.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2200/220/330
Lodge: Nzumba lodge
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.klaseriecamps.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1900/190/300
Lodge: Africa On Foot
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.africaonfoot.com/index.html
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1550/155/230
Lodge: nThambo
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.nthambo.com/
Price ppn Rand/€/$: 1850/185/245
Lodge: Gomo Gomo Game Lodge
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.gomogomo.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1800/180/285
Lodge: Motswari Private Game Lodge
Location: Timbavati GR
Web: http://www.motswari.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2750/275/420
Lodge: Shindzela Tented Safari Camp
Location: Timbavati GR
Web: http://www.shindzela.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1200/120/180
Lodge: Simbavati River Lodge
Location: Timbavati GR
Web: http://www.simbavati.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2250/225/330
Lodge: Pungwe Bush Camp
Location: Manyeleti GR
Web: http://www.pungwe.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1450/145/220
Lodge: Elephant Plains Game Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.elephantplains.co.za/home/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1700/170/250
Lodge: Arathusa Safari Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.arathusa.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2400/240/360
Lodge: Djuma Bush Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.djuma.com/gallery_B_lodge.php
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2900/290/450
Lodge: Notten’s Bush Camp
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.nottens.com/default.asp
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2800/280/440
Lodge: Idube Game Reserve / Lukimbi Safari Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://idube.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Umkumbe Safari Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.umkumbe.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1850/185/245
All of them have enough comfort. There is no such thing as "basic", actually. Good beds, great foods (you should have no fear at all), clean ablutions, you'll LOVE the outdoor showers (if the lodge you choose has one), etc...
Also, you should not be afraid of canvas walls. It is perfectly safe, the tents are reasonably big (to even huge), and it's better to enjoy the bush at night.
A last tip for you and other first-time visitors to the area; sometimes these Kruger-lodges have a joint offer with a non-Kruger-lodge (ic a lodge in the Drakensberge/Blyde Rivier area). Bvb Mohlabetsi with Iketla. Combos like this allow you to combine a safari with other (non-safari) tourist attractions in the neighborhood. The "non-Kruger" lodges are of course much cheaper. Eg from Iketla you can visit Blijde Rivier Canyon, Gods Window, Bourke's potholes, Pilgrim's Rest, etc etc There are cultural tours as well. And it only costs about 1000 Rand pppn (100€/125$).
Even if Kruger lodges do not have combo offers on their website; always ask! Some may surprise you.
A quick calculation of what a trip as described above would cost:
250€ local flights
500€ for 5 nights in lodges outside Kruger
200€ "panoramic route" trips
100€ transfers inter-lodge
1500€ for 6 nights in Kruger lodges
200€ camp & guide tips on those 6 nights
2750€ pp all in for 13N/12D, rough estimate. I may have counted a bit too much here and there. I reckon with a bit of searching you could do it for 2500€. That should be about 3000$. Or switch a few days/activities here and there to ad the cultural aspect (above is an adapted post I initially made on another forum, with pure focus on nature rather than culture).
No need to go off season, and ellies and giraffes are a given.
B.regs,
J.
Oppression of the black man is definitely over in RSA. Yes, they have a bit of catching up to do sometimes (game ranger licenses, or even knowledge of English), but I have seen plenty of black trackers, and in Pungwe we had a black guide. So not just hotel cleaning & cooking personnel anymore. Also, they are getting into nature reserve management as well. Like Manyeleti GR, that officialy was transferred to the community at the end of last year. Definitely a place to keep an eye on.
As for your itinerary; as I know most about RSA, I can only propose that country. TBH it also is the best for your budget (price/quality).
Here's a list of reasonably priced lodges throughout the greater Kruger area:
(Important; most prices are from 2009/2010, so they may have aged a bit. Listing all the reasonably priced lodges is an exercise I did last year before booking my safari)
Good maps:
http://www.sa-venues.com/game-reserv...es-lowveld.htm (complete Kruger area)
http://www.sabisand.co.za/ssw-map.html (only Sabi Sands, shows traversing rights)
The list:
Lodge: Edeni Hoyo Hoyo Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: www.edeni.com
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Edeni Hoyo Hoyo River Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: www.edeni.com
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2000/200/300
Lodge: Edeni Hoyo Hoyo Bush Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: www.edeni.com
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2000/200/300
Lodge: Kuname River Lodge
Location: Edeni Private Game Reserve
Web: http://www.kuname.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2000/200/300
Lodge: Mopaya Safari Lodge
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.mopayasafari.co.za/english/default.htm
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2650/265/400
Lodge: Nokana Safari Camp
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.mopayasafari.co.za/english/default.htm
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1350/135/200
Lodge: Tangala Lodge
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.tangala.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1500/150/225
Lodge: Thornybush Chapungu
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://www.chapungulodge.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Jackalberry safari lodge
Location: Thornybush GR
Web: http://thornybush.krugerpark.co.za/F...ckalberry.html
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Hoyo Hoyo Tsonga lodge
Location: Kruger NP, center-west
Web: http://www.hoyohoyo.co.za/hoyo-hoyo/index.jsp
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2900/290/450
Lodge: Isibindi Rhino Post Safari lodge
Location: Kruger NP, center-west
Web: http://www.isibindiafrica.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2200/220/330
Lodge: Isibindi Plains Camp
Location: Kruger NP, center-west
Web: http://www.isibindiafrica.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Mohlabetsi Lodge
Location: Balule Game Reserve
Web: http://www.mohlabetsi.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1650/165/245
Lodge: Pondoro Game Lodge
Location: Balule GR
Web: http://www.pondoro.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1900/190/300
Lodge: Makalali Private Game Lodge
Location: Makalali Private Game Reserve
Web: http://www.makalali.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Kitara Camp
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.klaseriecamps.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2200/220/330
Lodge: Nzumba lodge
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.klaseriecamps.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1900/190/300
Lodge: Africa On Foot
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.africaonfoot.com/index.html
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1550/155/230
Lodge: nThambo
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.nthambo.com/
Price ppn Rand/€/$: 1850/185/245
Lodge: Gomo Gomo Game Lodge
Location: Klaserie NR
Web: http://www.gomogomo.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1800/180/285
Lodge: Motswari Private Game Lodge
Location: Timbavati GR
Web: http://www.motswari.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2750/275/420
Lodge: Shindzela Tented Safari Camp
Location: Timbavati GR
Web: http://www.shindzela.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1200/120/180
Lodge: Simbavati River Lodge
Location: Timbavati GR
Web: http://www.simbavati.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2250/225/330
Lodge: Pungwe Bush Camp
Location: Manyeleti GR
Web: http://www.pungwe.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1450/145/220
Lodge: Elephant Plains Game Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.elephantplains.co.za/home/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1700/170/250
Lodge: Arathusa Safari Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.arathusa.co.za/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2400/240/360
Lodge: Djuma Bush Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.djuma.com/gallery_B_lodge.php
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2900/290/450
Lodge: Notten’s Bush Camp
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.nottens.com/default.asp
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2800/280/440
Lodge: Idube Game Reserve / Lukimbi Safari Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://idube.com/
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 2500/250/375
Lodge: Umkumbe Safari Lodge
Location: Sabi Sands GR
Web: http://www.umkumbe.co.za
Price pppn Rand/€/$: 1850/185/245
All of them have enough comfort. There is no such thing as "basic", actually. Good beds, great foods (you should have no fear at all), clean ablutions, you'll LOVE the outdoor showers (if the lodge you choose has one), etc...
Also, you should not be afraid of canvas walls. It is perfectly safe, the tents are reasonably big (to even huge), and it's better to enjoy the bush at night.
A last tip for you and other first-time visitors to the area; sometimes these Kruger-lodges have a joint offer with a non-Kruger-lodge (ic a lodge in the Drakensberge/Blyde Rivier area). Bvb Mohlabetsi with Iketla. Combos like this allow you to combine a safari with other (non-safari) tourist attractions in the neighborhood. The "non-Kruger" lodges are of course much cheaper. Eg from Iketla you can visit Blijde Rivier Canyon, Gods Window, Bourke's potholes, Pilgrim's Rest, etc etc There are cultural tours as well. And it only costs about 1000 Rand pppn (100€/125$).
Even if Kruger lodges do not have combo offers on their website; always ask! Some may surprise you.
A quick calculation of what a trip as described above would cost:
250€ local flights
500€ for 5 nights in lodges outside Kruger
200€ "panoramic route" trips
100€ transfers inter-lodge
1500€ for 6 nights in Kruger lodges
200€ camp & guide tips on those 6 nights
2750€ pp all in for 13N/12D, rough estimate. I may have counted a bit too much here and there. I reckon with a bit of searching you could do it for 2500€. That should be about 3000$. Or switch a few days/activities here and there to ad the cultural aspect (above is an adapted post I initially made on another forum, with pure focus on nature rather than culture).
No need to go off season, and ellies and giraffes are a given.
B.regs,
J.
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I am sorry to say that I did not read through all the replies here, but I know from experience that you have already received some very helpful information. What caught my eye about your post was the request for inexpensive lodging and good food.
I experienced my first safari November, 2009, spending about 9 days in Tanzania. Good Earth was my tour operator, and I can't say enough good things about them. Was thrilled with their service, from the planning to the execution. I remember being wary about the Wildlife Lodges, but I included them in my itinerary because of their convenient location and inexpensive price. You really do get an excellent bang for your buck there, in my humble opinion. And the food was delicious! Staff were kind, welcoming, and always smiling. So my advice is to give the Wildlife Lodges a good look if you choose to visit Tanzania.
I went the first week of November, which is supposed to be the beginning of the short rains. I believe prices go down a little bit November 1st. Not a lot, but some! It was beautiful weather about 95% of the time. And the one afternoon that it rained quite a bit, it was just another part of the adventure. Our driver/guide demonstrated some excellent driving skills on those black dirt roads. It was somewhat a thrill ride. lol But the sun came back out very quickly. Watching the rain clouds roll in over the Serengeti was a beautiful sight, actually.
Oh, and for giraffes, you can't beat Arusha National Park! That park is a gem, so different from the others, more lush and green. I loved it. I also got my flamingo fix there. I understand the flamingos aren't there all the time, but we certainly hit the jackpot with them in early November.
Happy trails!
Sandi
I experienced my first safari November, 2009, spending about 9 days in Tanzania. Good Earth was my tour operator, and I can't say enough good things about them. Was thrilled with their service, from the planning to the execution. I remember being wary about the Wildlife Lodges, but I included them in my itinerary because of their convenient location and inexpensive price. You really do get an excellent bang for your buck there, in my humble opinion. And the food was delicious! Staff were kind, welcoming, and always smiling. So my advice is to give the Wildlife Lodges a good look if you choose to visit Tanzania.
I went the first week of November, which is supposed to be the beginning of the short rains. I believe prices go down a little bit November 1st. Not a lot, but some! It was beautiful weather about 95% of the time. And the one afternoon that it rained quite a bit, it was just another part of the adventure. Our driver/guide demonstrated some excellent driving skills on those black dirt roads. It was somewhat a thrill ride. lol But the sun came back out very quickly. Watching the rain clouds roll in over the Serengeti was a beautiful sight, actually.
Oh, and for giraffes, you can't beat Arusha National Park! That park is a gem, so different from the others, more lush and green. I loved it. I also got my flamingo fix there. I understand the flamingos aren't there all the time, but we certainly hit the jackpot with them in early November.
Happy trails!
Sandi
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I have to say, as a South African, that I have experienced more oppression of other cultures in other countries than SA. As advised by the other commenters, don't let our history sway you from travelling to our wonderful country. South Africa now has one of the best constitutions in the world and much is being done to bring about equality.
Good luck and enjoy your trip. Africa has much to offer and is awesome on my book!
Good luck and enjoy your trip. Africa has much to offer and is awesome on my book!
Feb 19th, 2011, 05:33 PM
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Bookmarking this one! My wife and I have done one African trip (Tanzania) and would love to return to the continent, with both Kenya and SA being high on the list. Thanks everyone for the questions and answers here.
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atravelynn - please lets respect this forum as its a contribution of one's safari experience and not an advertising platform as you are doing.
Am still in the process of coming up with our safaro photos and very soon I will post them.
MITsbm I would still recommend a visit to Kenya especially between July to October where you will get a chance to view the World famous Wildebeest migration. Also you can find alot of Elephants in Tsavo East especially in large numbers.
Hope you will make a wise decision.
Am still in the process of coming up with our safaro photos and very soon I will post them.
MITsbm I would still recommend a visit to Kenya especially between July to October where you will get a chance to view the World famous Wildebeest migration. Also you can find alot of Elephants in Tsavo East especially in large numbers.
Hope you will make a wise decision.
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"edpaula," that is quite a 1st post.
atravelynn is a long-time and valuable contributor to Fodor's. She has been on many safaris, and she has generously shared her knowledge with us.
You, on the other hand, have attributes that are identical to a troll. Trolls are undesirable, and they should go away and stay away.
atravelynn is a long-time and valuable contributor to Fodor's. She has been on many safaris, and she has generously shared her knowledge with us.
You, on the other hand, have attributes that are identical to a troll. Trolls are undesirable, and they should go away and stay away.
