TV and Internet in Lodges

Jan 6th, 2006, 06:47 AM
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Jan 6th, 2006, 06:49 AM
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I feel fortunate to be going to Tanzania before the noise pollution and all that follows arrive. Lucky for me I'm staying mostly at mobile and perm. tented camps but sooner or later satelite will hit us in those tents.

Maybe if we voice our concerns to our tour operators $$$ enmass we'll be considered.

We had this French guy on our cabin charter in the S.Pac. listening to every imaginable sport on his minitv until our captian banned the thing - He and his entourage would have to report every sighting etc. to those at home on their cp - imagine being lead into port by a school of dolphins while these fools where loudly telling those at home about it in real time.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 07:46 AM
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What does it really matter to you that people spend a lot of time in their rooms / tents?

My experience has been that very few people are about in the public areas during down time. They are reading, sleeping, even ;-), so what does it matter to you.

I would really only have a problem if there was a TV showing CNN at the bar.

As for being woken by Lions, how would access to the internet change that?
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Jan 6th, 2006, 08:49 AM
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This is a terrible trend! If this continues, and news of internet availability spreads, there will soon be no place on earth you can go and honestly say you had no way to check email.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 09:00 AM
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In my prior post I should have said "safely" instead of "honestly". I must confess that on certain trips I've chosen to report a lack of resources (cell coverage and internet access) that really did exist. I don't feel bad about it, but it pains me that my "cover" is getting so thin! ;-)
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Jan 6th, 2006, 09:46 AM
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It matters to me, because at the smaller camps, I have enjoyed the conversations with other guests, especially recounting sightings and other experiences, and I fear that the presence of the Internet will encourage some to hibernate within their rooms, rather than contribute to the chatter. Safaris, at least those that I have been on, tend to attract very interesting people, and I have enjoyed meeting them and learning about their experiences (on one safari, I spent a lot of time with the director of mammals from the Bronx Zoo).

I also expect that roomwide Internet availability will attract some who are anxious to get back to their rooms to check emails. That's an audience I'd prefer to avoid on safari.

As to the point about being awoken by lions, that was directed to the presence of TVs, not the Internet. I truly hope that TVs don't become a common feature, and I do intend to ask about the presence of TVs and I will be much less likely to book a lodge that offers TVs.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 09:56 AM
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I hear what you are saying, but I honestly think your concern is a little unfounded. My take is that the kind of person who has to be constantly checking e-mail is usually not great company. Do you really find that many people sitting around during the day? At mealtimes obviously but in my experience most people tend to want some time to themselves. Just my 2c, YMMV.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 10:07 AM
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Also, frankly, I fear that I'd find myself pulled to the Internet (to check stock quotes, scores, email, etc.).

As you can tell, I spend a fair bit of time surfing while I'm on endless conference calls (the best time for me to surf). When the calls end, its back to real work.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 10:09 AM
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One other point. Depending on the lodge, I would tolerate Internet and TV (eg, Mala Mala, which is high on my list b/c of its wildlife viewing). If I do return to the Sabi Sand, it would be to visit Mala Mala b/c their property is so large (I'd suffer the TV and Internet).

But, as between two generally similar lodges, I think I'd go with the silent (no-TV) lodge.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 10:13 AM
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The point of my earlier post was that the more Africa becomes like home, the less likely I am to go back. We often equate progress with new things, ie: paved roads, convenient and quick eateries, internet access, widespread cell phone coverage, etc, etc, etc.

But progress can mean doing a better job of preserving the past, the native culture, the animals, the natural and hard environment. That's the kind of progress I hope Africa achieves, and that's what will keep me going back for more. I'm a safaraholic work-in-progress.
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Jan 6th, 2006, 08:29 PM
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Well I for one am in complete agreement with thit cho - no TVs please! I would die if I heard that sound while relaxing in my tent looking out over a floodplain with peacefully grazing antelope...I have several times heard a local radio station playing loudly in the staff quarters and that bothered me too. I do have expectations, when coming so far and paying so much, of a pristine bush experience. If this is the trend, I will examine the camps' features closely so that I do not choose one with TVs. I agree that one computer is a good thing - it's actually great for checking on flights - but please, not in my tent! I might be tempted to send an email to my kids but I prefer to be out of touch. It's enough that I can call home from the major airports. I hope and pray TV does not come to the Botswana or Zambia camps.
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Jan 7th, 2006, 05:50 AM
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I would actively seek to avoid camps with TVs and internet. I appreciate both on some kinds of breaks - for example when we spent 2 weeks in Bordeaux attending a language school. TV was nice background noise when doing homework and internet was helpful to keep in touch and to look up information on restaurants and sightseeing (afternoons were free).

But on safari - I neither want to be in touch with the world nor waste a moment watching TV. Writing my diary, snoozing, sitting on the verandah enjoying the view, reading about the wildlife... all good in moderation. TV? For when I get back home, thanks!
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Jan 7th, 2006, 06:21 AM
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I was very disappointed to find a TV in the lounge at Samburu Intrepids. It was only on to show a nature film from Samburu each evening - like the one with the lioness that adopted an oryx. Anywhere else I would have loved to see those films. I donít mind a computer tucked away discreetly in a corner somewhere, but Iíd definitely not want one in the tent. In the future Iíll try to avoid camps with TVs.
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Jan 30th, 2006, 09:13 AM
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I mentioned this in my trip report and thought it worth repeating in this thread.

Since you asked I will cover the internet, TV and golf carts at Rattrays.

Rooms at Rattrays are private cottages, huge. There is no way the next cottage would disturb you with the TV, except under exceptional circumstances (e.g. they were trying to do that). On check in we were asked if we wanted the TV and internet, I took it because I had promised to report back and because my wifes friend was expecting a baby, so we had committed to checking e-mail.
Aboit 70% of guets have used it so far they said. There is a desk with a locked drawer that contains the laptop. I actually thought this would be very useful for downloading memory cards and burning images to CD. The connection was not particularly fast so uploading to Snapfish would probably not be that good an idea. I opened the TV cabinet, which simply looks like an attractive piece of furniture, there are no external clues as to its real purpose. Inside was state of the art flat screen TV with satellite and DVD player. I have heard more than one person on this board reference watching DVD's on their laptop, this would remove the need for the laptop.
In summary I wouldn't take the keys again, but I don't think any other guests using them would have the slightest impact on your enjoyment of camp.
Golf carts were not issued to us on arrival and we walked throughout camp. I will admit that on our last night when we celebrated my friend's retirement for he umpteenth time, we did get a ride back to the room

Hope that helps clarify the TV/ internet and golf cart issue at Rattrays.
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