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Nov 27th, 2011, 03:47 PM
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Craig, my comments on Somalisa and the WS vehicles were a first-hand account. Dudley (actually "Dardley") was the camp manager at Somalisa when I was there last year, but was also guiding. Somalisa has a private concession within Hwange, as do the WS camps, but it's not as large. We were in the Somalisa concession in an area called Ngweshla Loop. There was a female rhino and calf there, so here came three WS vehicles, even though they had no right to be there. Dudley spoke to one of their drivers, but they didn't leave. He thought it was rather rude of them, considering that WS has no qualms about causing a ruckus if a Somalisa vehicle crosses into their concession. We walked the rhino and calf with a WS group behind us. They finally turned around and left when their guide couldn't get one of his guests to be quiet.

Dudley said that the park officials are talking about changing up things in the future and having all of the private concessions inside the park be the same size, so I don't know that WS will get to keep their large concessions.
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Nov 27th, 2011, 04:56 PM
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Thanks ShayTay. I don't doubt that happened so thanks for coming back on here. The guides all know each other and I can see them sharing details on sightings to satisfy their guests despite the rules imposed by their bosses - especially with a rare Hwange rhino sighting. But, I would say this is a substantially different story than "all the WS vehicles" and the rest of this story is hearsay unless Dudley himself decides to post on this forum with his concerns about the vehicles. He could do that as the manager as long as he identifies himself as such. It is my impression that Wilderness and African Bush Camps/ABC (owners of Somalisa) have a not so good a relationship and that probably contributed to this. At the lower levels of the organization, this negative relationship leads to slander in my experience so my friendly advice is not to believe everything you hear from WS or ABC employees. I doubt the game viewing is any better or worse on any of the concessions in the SE portion of the Hwange. It is simply a fantastic place and the animals move around. We cool? Hope so.

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Nov 27th, 2011, 09:35 PM
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Thanks Craig for your inputs.Will follow up.Due apologies Jim.No intention to hijack the thread.As suggested Will try to combine mana Pools with Hwange.
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Nov 27th, 2011, 09:56 PM
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Are the concessions fenced? If not wouldn't the animals just keep moving around and not stay just within one concession.

Have often wondered about this when people say a certain property has more of this or that animal.
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Nov 28th, 2011, 01:01 AM
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As I read the story above, ShayTay was actually present and witnessed the events, so I don't see how any of it is "hearsay".
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Nov 28th, 2011, 05:04 AM
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KathBC - there are no fences in the SE of the Hwange. There is not even a boundary fence so, unfortunately, the animals can wander across the railroad track into communities (at least on the SE boundary). In my observation there is no difference in the terrain, soil, or water supply so the animal viewing should be equally good on the WS concession, the ABC concession (Somalisa), at the Hide, or in the Park at public camp sites.

StokeyGirl - this is the part that I would consider hearsay or inaccurate: "all the WS cars (Makalolo and Little Makalolo) were encroaching on Somalisa's concession because we had better sightings." ShayTay did not in fact witness all 20+ WS vehicles on multiple occasions. She saw three vehicles one time and heard the rest of the story from ABC employees. I am in no way disputing that she saw three WS vehicles. She also did not game drive on the Wilderness concession so the “better sightings” comment is not accurate. I have heard the guys from WS and the guys from ABC. They are proud of their products and both offer something very nice in the Hwange. It is not beyond some employees to slander their competitors in my experience.

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Nov 28th, 2011, 05:18 AM
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OK, that's clear. Your hearsay comment made it sound like you were referring to her immediately preceding story not her original comment.
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Nov 28th, 2011, 09:49 AM
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Sorry, Craig, if my original statement wasn't clear. "All" didn't mean every vehicle from both WS camps. What I was trying to say was that "all" the encroaching vehicles were WS vehicles. I heard the WS guide talking to Dudley say that the sightings in Ngweshla Loop were better that day. On another day, I'm sure there would be better sightings on one of the WS concessions. I've stayed at Makalolo Plains and enjoyed it.

Your comment about "slander" seems directed at Dudley and that's totally inappropriate. You weren't there, you don't know what was said and how it was said. I heard nothing that could be considered "slander." You don't have to go into your usual "WS protection mode" because I'm not bashing them. I simply offered an alternative to the WS camps in that area of Hwange.
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Nov 28th, 2011, 09:57 AM
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Thanks for clarifying. My "slander" comment was not directed at Dudley. He seems to be beyond that level in his current managerial role. He has impressed me at ABC and also in his time with WS. Regarding your personal comments about me, I will refrain from response and let the informaiton in this thread speak for itself on what was said.

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