There goes my desire to visit Egypt

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Sep 12th, 2012, 02:15 PM
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Sep 12th, 2012, 02:58 PM
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They won't get my money either!
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Sep 12th, 2012, 03:01 PM
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Nor mine.

But I did want to see the pyramids.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 03:05 PM
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Maybe I'll go to Luxor in LV.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 03:55 PM
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I've been to Egypt twice, the first time, a few weeks after the first Gulf War ended. No one was there (State Dept. had don't go warnings) and it was fabulous. Went again in the late 90's. Much more crowded and not as inexpensive, but still a wonderful trip. I was pulled over entering the country going through immigration, and my passport taken. I was placed in a holding area with a bunch of seedy looking men, and I was the only woman. Never got an explanation and had to get our driver to "bail" me out. They didn't pull DH aside, just me, and I was the only one from our flight. I'm sure my last name had something to do with it. It left a bad taste in my mouth, but not bad enough to rule out going again.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 04:53 PM
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We were lucky to visit Egypt in 2010.

My daughter is at this very moment completing her application for a Fulbright in Cairo. I don't know if she'd get it, and now she doesn't know if she'll be safe there. But, she is going forward with the application.

She wasn't able to do her junior year abroad there as hoped (she is studying Arabic and also has a minor in Middle Eastern Studies)because her university was not allowing students to go there. I'm glad of that, because I would have been very worried.

I keep suggesting she look into Jordan or somewhere more stable, but I guess that is not going to help with her goals.

I think my daughter was very demoralized by the events given her interest in our country's relations with Egypt and her work this summer with organizing an event in DC for a woman from a university in Egypt. It makes her proposal for her research even more important, but I don't know if/when she'll actually get the chance to do it.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 05:23 PM
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Like many traveling people, the Pyramids and the temples long the Nile are high on my list. But I wouldn't be comfortable going there anytime soon. Not so much because of the conservatism but the volatility. I hope that changes in what's left of my lifetime.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 05:55 PM
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We were fortunate to go in summer 2008 with four young adults (two of whom are ours!). We didn't face any of the problems being discussed. There was no antipathy toward Americans, no harassment of women, and no hatred of Jews (of which I am all three). We consider ourselves lucky, and would not even consider going now. There's plenty of places in the world I want to go, and I won't go where safety is possibly seriously compromised, or where certain people are made to feel unwelcome.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 06:54 PM
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Well, color me skeptical. I think the people who are saying they will never, ever go, out of principle, would change their minds if, say, Egypt were to elect a Democratic government (however unlikely that may seem now). Then they would congratulate themselves on supporting democracy, while riding in a cab driven by a guy who was throwing rocks at the US Embassy in 2012.

My point, and I do have one, is that moral judgments are harder to apply in life than on the Internet.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 08:18 PM
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We visited Egypt in 2007 and mostly had a lovely time.

The ancient sites were lovely, and well tended but modern Cairo was completely missable. We ventured off on our own, and received nothing but stares and people were generally silent and unhelpful. The young men were rude and harassing toward my teenage daughter; we were very modestly dressed. I had to threaten a group of them with my walking stick once.

I'm glad we visited when we did, but I'd never go back.
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Sep 12th, 2012, 08:18 PM
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Well, I was only referring to now, not to the future, and my point was that I won't go because I worry about my safety, not for political reasons. Maybe you weren't referring to me?
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Sep 13th, 2012, 12:20 AM
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I loved living in Cairo, and DH and I considered taking another assignment there - but chose to do something new and different.

The group of people causing problems is not the group of people I had contact with every day. The people I dealt with were welcoming, kind, friendly, and helpful. Only 1 time in the 4 years I was there did I ever feel uncomfortable, and that was in a taxi - so I just handed the guy some money, got out, and walked home.

I would go back in a heartbeat (and plan to since a good friend has moved back there), but I can understand people being wary. People need to make decisions based on their level of comfort, not on what others think.

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marlib - it would be highly unusual to see an Egyptian woman (or man) wearing shorts. Don't think I ever saw that. But lot of the women I knew wore pants. The younger ones would wear jeans and pants, similar to what we see in the US, but many outfits would include a tunic-type top over the pants.
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Sep 13th, 2012, 12:57 AM
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I would go back tomorrow if it wasn't a 20 to 24 hour trip.
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Sep 13th, 2012, 03:27 AM
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"That country is never getting my tourist dollars!"

Thus meeting the objectives of Islamic fundamentalists perfectly.

Clever, no? You punish yourself and gratify murderous nutcases all at the same time.
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Sep 13th, 2012, 03:36 AM
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Our friends in Cairo tell us that tourism is already way down from previous years, I cant imagine the recent news helping

Maybe the anti american crowd will support them and visit?
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Sep 13th, 2012, 03:44 AM
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Grcxx, I made the comment about shorts because Christina said her guide did wear Bermuda shorts. I am not doubting her word but just commenting that I did not recall anyone wearing shorts. Again I don't remember seeing women wearing pants, it was 1991, a long time ago, I don't remember everything.
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Sep 13th, 2012, 03:51 AM
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marlib - I never saw an Egyptian woman in shorts, but I didn't hang around with the university crowd. My cousin's daughter (recent college grad) just spent 6 months studying Arabic in Cairo. I'll have to ask her what her colleagues wore.
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Sep 13th, 2012, 08:21 AM
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""That country is never getting my tourist dollars!"

Thus meeting the objectives of Islamic fundamentalists perfectly.

Clever, no? You punish yourself and gratify murderous nutcases all at the same time."

Somehow I think that the intent of those crazies in front of our embassy is not to destroy Egyptism tourism-the lifeblood of their economy-even further, nor even deter Americans from visiting. Probably to punish us for killing Osama.

Beyond that, reading this thread it seems visiting there has become a punishment in and of itself for women, even in safer times!
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Sep 13th, 2012, 08:31 AM
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sf, no, I wasn't referring to you. I can't find fault with choosing not to go because of safety concerns. It's refusing to go to a country because it or its people somehow did the US wrong that I find...questionable.
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Sep 13th, 2012, 04:58 PM
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There is absolutely nothing anti-American about traveling to Egypt. Or anywhere else.

Calling people names and ridiculing for making the choices that their freedom allows? Now that, I'd say, does seem to lack the understanding of what being a citizen of a free state means.

Countries don't hate you. Countries are big, ancient plots of land with imaginary lines around them. Dirt, sand.. maybe some trees and buildings. None of them hate you.

These plots of land often have people wandering around on them. Often millions upon millions of people. Due to an oddity of creation, one might discover that near the apex point of these creatures, just inside the cranial cavity, lies a squishy organ known as a brain. Some might be shocked to find that unlike their own, many of these "brains" aren't interconnected with all those around them and as such, actually produce these things called "thoughts", which in turn drive rather esoteric actions like "actions" or "feelings". Now, because they all look alike to you, you might think that these squishy things would function in essentially the same way as they *might* where you tend to accumulate on certain weekend mornings.

But - science (if you believe in that sort of thing) has begun to notice a pattern when these "brains" often come up with completely unique products that cause the stacks of flesh under them to do all sorts of different things. As off as that may seems. But if you watch a crowd of these creatures, you'll often see as many turn left, or right as what go forward - in ANY direction. Amazing. And these same "scientists" also believe... though I, like many, have my doubts... that when one or two or even a thousand of these creatures go and do something crazy... there may actually be millions.. yes, millions.. who *aren't* actually blowing something up at that moment. Who are, just maybe, selling something they made. Maybe walking a tourist around on a camel. Going to school. Or feeding their kids.

Frank-ly, I think these scientists have some sort of screw loose.
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