State of the Tiger
Feb 14th, 2008, 03:47 PM
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Kavey.. as i mentioned in my earlier post the tiger show ,it is not well managed... that is the problem, so u did not enjoy it, even some of my friends who previously went tracking the tiger on elephants...donnot enjoy it anymore....for centuries...during the raj and previously in indian parks...people would rent thier own elephants and would go tracking the tiger on elephant back...it is the best way to see a tiger
I heard when i was there...that maybe after they train more eles...they may start renting eles to a single group... so instead of going in a 4 wheel drive... you could go into the park gate with an elephant and hearing the noises of the jungle denizens... track the tiger...
Sonali
I heard when i was there...that maybe after they train more eles...they may start renting eles to a single group... so instead of going in a 4 wheel drive... you could go into the park gate with an elephant and hearing the noises of the jungle denizens... track the tiger...
Sonali
Feb 15th, 2008, 03:26 AM
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Sonali,
Your assertions regarding the use of Rhino Horns by Indians would come as a surprise to Richard Ellis, the author of "Tiger Bone & Rhino Horn", and everybody concerned with trade in animal body parts for traditional medicine.
For those who might be interested in discovering more may I suggest a visit to the website of TRAFFIC at
www.traffic.org/home
Your assertions regarding the use of Rhino Horns by Indians would come as a surprise to Richard Ellis, the author of "Tiger Bone & Rhino Horn", and everybody concerned with trade in animal body parts for traditional medicine.
For those who might be interested in discovering more may I suggest a visit to the website of TRAFFIC at
www.traffic.org/home
Feb 15th, 2008, 06:02 PM
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Thanks Hari for the response. Once I get my spring 2009 trip to see the gorillas and wildebeest birthing worked out I may start looking at an India trip for that fall. I'll post over on the Asia forum when I start planning. I didn't think 3 weeks would be enough. What would that be? One week Rajasthan, one week southern India, and one week safari, either Bandhavgarh or Pench, or both? As you said, huge and diverse country. This does not seem like near enough time.
Back to the Tigers. Poaching, trophy hunting, habitat destruction: it all disgusts me, as I'm sure it does everyone on this forum. And it isn't just the tigers. But, I have to admit, I do not take an active role in prevention of these activities. What can we as travelers, who obviously spend a fair amount of money on tourism, do to help? Personally, I research each trip I take, including with whom I book, where I stay, and their stand(s) on wildlife, conservation, and environmental issues. In the past I thought that was enough, but is it? We can't change the politics in our own countries let alone half way across the globe, and we probably can't educate entire populations who think wildlife meat, horns, or skins are put on this earth for their own selfish purposes. So, what exactly do we do?
Back to the Tigers. Poaching, trophy hunting, habitat destruction: it all disgusts me, as I'm sure it does everyone on this forum. And it isn't just the tigers. But, I have to admit, I do not take an active role in prevention of these activities. What can we as travelers, who obviously spend a fair amount of money on tourism, do to help? Personally, I research each trip I take, including with whom I book, where I stay, and their stand(s) on wildlife, conservation, and environmental issues. In the past I thought that was enough, but is it? We can't change the politics in our own countries let alone half way across the globe, and we probably can't educate entire populations who think wildlife meat, horns, or skins are put on this earth for their own selfish purposes. So, what exactly do we do?
Feb 15th, 2008, 07:08 PM
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Hi Dana,
Three weeks is good, but, if you have more time ..... certainly, gives you more time! Bear in mind, from the USA it will take you two days to get here and one day to go back .......
My two favourite parts of India are Rajasthan and Kerala (You've certainly seen all the God's own County commercials???) in Southern India. In Southern India, i recommend Madurai (a temple town, with lots of culture and archeology), Kabini in Nagarhole/Bandipur wildlife parks in the state of Karnataka is my favourite in India ...... if you visit say in the right time of the year, you will see the largest congregation of large mammals in Asia ...... i.e., Elephants and Gaur at the Kabini lake. I've always seen the endangered Indian wild dog (Dhole) during my visits ..... once a Tiger (April 2004).
By the time your visit materializes, the CCA Kanha lodge will open ....... that is the biggest park in Madhya Pradesh, so that should suffice! and it is easier to access than Bandhavgarh (a real pain to get to!)
I would suggest, you give all the major cities a skip ....... Delhi, Bombay, Chennai, Bangalore etc etc., very westernized these days ..... and just painful getting from point A to B. Bangalore being the worst .........
Good luck
Hari
Three weeks is good, but, if you have more time ..... certainly, gives you more time! Bear in mind, from the USA it will take you two days to get here and one day to go back .......
My two favourite parts of India are Rajasthan and Kerala (You've certainly seen all the God's own County commercials???) in Southern India. In Southern India, i recommend Madurai (a temple town, with lots of culture and archeology), Kabini in Nagarhole/Bandipur wildlife parks in the state of Karnataka is my favourite in India ...... if you visit say in the right time of the year, you will see the largest congregation of large mammals in Asia ...... i.e., Elephants and Gaur at the Kabini lake. I've always seen the endangered Indian wild dog (Dhole) during my visits ..... once a Tiger (April 2004).
By the time your visit materializes, the CCA Kanha lodge will open ....... that is the biggest park in Madhya Pradesh, so that should suffice! and it is easier to access than Bandhavgarh (a real pain to get to!)
I would suggest, you give all the major cities a skip ....... Delhi, Bombay, Chennai, Bangalore etc etc., very westernized these days ..... and just painful getting from point A to B. Bangalore being the worst .........
Good luck
Hari
Feb 16th, 2008, 07:28 AM
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Thanks Hari and Sniktawk.
Hari,
I've had Bandhavgarh on the brain for so long (since before it opened) that I haven't thought about Kanha, but that is a great idea. I definitely want to include Kerala, which is part of the reason I didn't think I'd have enough time to also include a safari. Glad to know you think I can do it all in one trip.
The three weeks would be in India, with a few days added on for international travel. I just can't get away for longer than that. The story goes "hey, I'm going on vacation for about 2 weeks...ok, it's not really 2 weeks, it's really closer to 3...oh yeah, now I want to do more than I thought I would so it's 3 weeks plus a few days". Once it turned into 4 weeks, then a month, then a month plus a few days international travel time and people started thinking "where the $%#@! is she...is she coming back to work or not?"
Hari,
I've had Bandhavgarh on the brain for so long (since before it opened) that I haven't thought about Kanha, but that is a great idea. I definitely want to include Kerala, which is part of the reason I didn't think I'd have enough time to also include a safari. Glad to know you think I can do it all in one trip.
The three weeks would be in India, with a few days added on for international travel. I just can't get away for longer than that. The story goes "hey, I'm going on vacation for about 2 weeks...ok, it's not really 2 weeks, it's really closer to 3...oh yeah, now I want to do more than I thought I would so it's 3 weeks plus a few days". Once it turned into 4 weeks, then a month, then a month plus a few days international travel time and people started thinking "where the $%#@! is she...is she coming back to work or not?"
Feb 16th, 2008, 07:44 AM
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Sorry, hit "post" to soon.
Hari,
One more question. What is the "right time of year" if I include both northern and southern India? I was thinking the end of November so I could get those extra days around Thanksgiving when alot of people take off and nobody would miss me. Hence my 3 weeks turning into more like 24-25 days.
Thanks,
Dana
Hari,
One more question. What is the "right time of year" if I include both northern and southern India? I was thinking the end of November so I could get those extra days around Thanksgiving when alot of people take off and nobody would miss me. Hence my 3 weeks turning into more like 24-25 days.
Thanks,
Dana
Feb 16th, 2008, 03:58 PM
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Hi Dana,
Sure November will be good also! Start from the North and work your way down South. Ensure that you aren't in the South in October, as it is monsoon time in the South.
Yes, makes sense to maximize your time using Holiday time to stretch your trip!
Cheers
Hari
Sure November will be good also! Start from the North and work your way down South. Ensure that you aren't in the South in October, as it is monsoon time in the South.
Yes, makes sense to maximize your time using Holiday time to stretch your trip!
Cheers
Hari
Feb 18th, 2008, 07:22 PM
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Sorry to be the bearer of more bad news ........ thesedays, with plenty of 24 hour news stations battling for the same news stories, the tiger has been getting reasonable air time with adequate coverage in terms.
On these lines, there was a news clip last night.....where a tiger strayed from the Sunderbans into one of the villages and was pelted with stones by the villagers. The forest vet etc etc., tranqualized it, and it was continued to be beaten by the villagers and stands paralyzed now. Can never be returned back to the wild!
I guess, those Tiger numbers are down by 1. I remember a similar story relating to a leopard from last year, but, from memory wasn't as badly beaten up ........
What can we do? i guess the villagers, especially the kids in the neighboring villages need to be educated in terms of the need for conservation. After all, it's only them who can ultimately take responsibility for tomorrow!
On these lines, there was a news clip last night.....where a tiger strayed from the Sunderbans into one of the villages and was pelted with stones by the villagers. The forest vet etc etc., tranqualized it, and it was continued to be beaten by the villagers and stands paralyzed now. Can never be returned back to the wild!
I guess, those Tiger numbers are down by 1. I remember a similar story relating to a leopard from last year, but, from memory wasn't as badly beaten up ........
What can we do? i guess the villagers, especially the kids in the neighboring villages need to be educated in terms of the need for conservation. After all, it's only them who can ultimately take responsibility for tomorrow!
Feb 19th, 2008, 08:29 AM
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The villagers around the Sunderbands also need to be protected better.
My understanding is there have been lots of tiger attacks on humans and their livestock and unless the people are protected they will always see the tiger as an enemy.
My understanding is there have been lots of tiger attacks on humans and their livestock and unless the people are protected they will always see the tiger as an enemy.
Feb 19th, 2008, 06:50 PM
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Sorry: My Mis-understanding. The particular tiger above wasn't paralyzed ....... was re-released into the wild yesterday. I was confused with the news clip the other day, relating to a different animal that was stoned and paralyzed. The Sunderbans Tiger apparently made it back!
Feb 19th, 2008, 11:16 PM
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Hari,
Here is a link to complete the tiger story
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...08-784332.html
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The Tigers were there before the people.
Here is a link to complete the tiger story
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...08-784332.html
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The Tigers were there before the people.
Feb 20th, 2008, 06:46 PM
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It is great that the news clip is making a global story - more awareness created, i guess ......
On another note - massive amounts of money have been invested in the new professional Cricket league ........ announcements made yesterday with the first auction bids .....
Hopefully, the Tiger gets it's due respect soon.........
On another note - massive amounts of money have been invested in the new professional Cricket league ........ announcements made yesterday with the first auction bids .....
Hopefully, the Tiger gets it's due respect soon.........
