Safari myths???

Oct 13th, 2007, 10:43 PM
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Safari myths???

Am I right or not?

Top lodges are worth their money because game is so abundant compared to other places.

Hunting is not interfering with photographic safaris. Actually you can't see if hunting is going on in an area nearby or in the concession itself.

If you have a top guide you'll see your leopards, lions, ....

Travel agents are always thinking in terms of their clients needs and not in terms of their own "deep" pockets.

It will really help you to go with a professional photographer on safari to take better pictures. It's actually a guaranteed winner.

The green season is relatively cheaper because you won't see much compared to a stay in high season.

Guides don't understand most people needs because they don't want to show them the animals they have paid for to see.

A high turnover of staff doesn't affect my stay in one of those top camps.

Off-road driving is fun and should be encouraged because that's the way to find animals. If the animals don't want to come to you, you have to go to them no matter what it takes.

Luxury is absolutely needed in the bush: how else would we attract the rich and fortunate of this earth.

Even if a fodorite has been once or twice on safari, he or she knows what's going on in those areas he/she briefly visited.

Mobile safaris are for those who can't pay the permanent camps.

Oct 13th, 2007, 11:01 PM
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some folks may take your words seriousely....
others may be offended
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You probably are correct in most of what you say however, fair warning, be careful of generalising.

An example of this is that if I were a
travel agent who did NOT care about my deep pocket (yes these folk DO exist) then I would be highly offended by your statement of "Travel agents are always thinking in terms of their clients needs and not in terms of their own "deep" pockets." I feel it would be much better if your line read
"There are travel agents who are always thinking in terms of their clients needs and not in terms of their own "deep" pockets"

I am not a travel agent but do act as a tour operator and even though I dont plan safaris I DO NOT think of my so called deep pocket. With that said if you are talking about agents and operators, as I suspect you are, then I most certainly am deeply offended.

Just my twopence worth.

Very proudly part of the wonderful nation of South Africa

Travel agents are always thinking in terms of their clients needs and not in terms of their own "deep" pockets.
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Oct 14th, 2007, 05:16 AM
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Johan: Here's my 2 paise ...... IMHO

1.) Top lodges worth their money? They charge based on reputation and marketability perhaps? and also demand vs supply thesedays for safaris?

2.) Hunting - i don't know anything about .......

3.) Top guide certainly helps - as long as the lions/leopards etc etc., are in a particular area during a visit.

4.) Travel agents - there certainly are good ones. Some are down right AWFUL!!! You know those ones ....

5.) Professional photographer safaris - i haven't done any such trips as a.) it is a crowded car and b.)they are usually expensive. However, i would like to be in the same area when such trips are conducted ...... my mythical belief would be a.) good season w/game viewing b.)better tracking?

6.) Green season - don't know! I think High season is more Holiday season in Europe and USA? where people have more free time to travel and the weather is good in Southern Africa at the same time. I will travel soon this upcoming green season and will compare with other years (for myself) ......

7.) A good guide will show you whatever there is to see ..... won't shortchange you! ...... Operators responsibility to ensure that no guests are short-changed by incompetent/lazy guides.

8.) Turnover of staff: As long as operators ensure that others are adequately trained to take over .... these things are bound to happen i suppose, as people tend to move on....

9.) Yes, off roading is fun .... can track the animals by following their spoor ..... and possibly find them. I love tracking more than the actual off-roading. Get to learn a hell of a lot.

10.) Luxury ...... Luxury = exploitation. Won't say more as you know enough about my views on it.....

11.) Our views on fodors are just opinions ........ nothing more, nothing less!

12.) Mobile safaris - i don't know anything about ...... i hope you can share your pictures and experiences from your upcoming trip. I would love to do one, especially to the CKGR and nxai pan etc etc., to places i haven't visited before.

As mentioned, just my 2 paise .... once again, opinions!!!


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Oct 14th, 2007, 05:22 AM
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Thanks, Skimmer, good myths.

Selwyn, your suggested change to one of the myths is actually worse than the original.

Some more myths:

If, when in a big, humming, diesel guzzling vehicle, you donít wear colours that blend perfectly with the environment and are bought in specialist shops, the mostly colour blind animals will run away.

Male lions never hunt.

You canít do self-drives in East Africa.

Youíll get sick if you donít brush your teeth with bottled water.

You canít walk the streets of Nairobi alone.

The reason Africans sometimes carry bags of agricultural produce on public transport is that they have a strange mysterious and completely different culture.
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Oct 14th, 2007, 05:26 AM
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Hari, you're supposed to play!
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Oct 14th, 2007, 05:27 AM
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Or, that's how I interpreted it.
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Oct 14th, 2007, 05:34 AM
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Here's another myth:

Skimmer doesn't like blabla.
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Hi Nyamara,

Sorry ...... he sounded serious!!!

"Am i right or not?"

Either case .... here's a few myths

1.) OH MY GAWD!!!

2.) People go on safari mainly for the gameviewing this day and age!

3.) If someone has a brand new picturesque website with superb captioning ....... the trips to that particular concession should be superb!

4.) Air Botswana isn't as punctual or as reliable as Delta is ......

5.)Certain travel agents who say they are travel agents, really are travel agents .......


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Oct 14th, 2007, 06:23 AM
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Heís serious, I think, and so am I. I think all my myths are myths. Iím not sure about all of Skimmerís, but they sound like myths. I still canít understand your #1 and donít know anything about airlines in Botswana. After a while I understood Tuckegís myth (I have to have a proper look at those slow opening pictures). Itís probably a real myth, but a bit too funny.
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Myth: This post will leave our safari-world in a bit better place.

The intentions may be good, but would one not make a greater impact on future travelers by offering constructive input to their inquiries? Iím sorry, but I find these generalizations offensive. IMHO they do not contribute to the Fodorsís mission statement of sharing advice about travel. From my perspective, Skimmer, it is not about being right or not? There is a lot of gray area here - One could write a pro-con book on each myth you've posted. Just MHO.
Thanks for listening.
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Oct 14th, 2007, 07:23 AM
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Why would you be offended by his post? just post a pro/con of his views if you wish ..... i'm sure he won't mind.

Hi Nyamara,

Point 1. More on the funny side ..... as the most popular expression. Not really a myth .....nope!

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Oct 14th, 2007, 07:31 AM
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Lol... good post Johan... some at least have a sense of humour...

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Oct 14th, 2007, 07:41 AM
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Tuckeg I fully understand your myth.

Those who are offended by these simple statements should look at themselves rather then thinking what I am writing should be taken for granted...

Oct 14th, 2007, 08:12 AM
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And who are you skimmer to be on such a righteous soapbox?
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Oct 14th, 2007, 08:26 AM
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Richard, you are right, I did not approach this with levity, as I did not interpret flippancy as Skimmerís intent Ėmaybe I misread the post.

Skimmer, agreed. You have reminded me of my favorite quote: The only devils in this world are those running around in our own hearts, and that is where all our battles should be fought---Gandhi.

My definition of take for granted: To consider as true; anticipated correctly. I believe there is some truth in each of the myths you posted (but not absolute truth), AND I further believe you are sincere in wanting to bring these truths to the forefront. We disagree on methodology (I found it offensive because I find it polarizing). I appreciate your viewpoint and look forward to reading your constructive contributions on future postings.

--- the humorless one
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Oct 14th, 2007, 09:38 AM
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Entertaining post!

One myth and one misconception from me:

Myth: The fodorite community quickly grasps satire, frivolity, and irony and posters are rarely offended.

Miconception: I was so concerned about being all beige on my first safari (despite assurances by the travel agent) that I dyed my white sweat socks tan to prevent my ankles from offending anyone. Entirely unnecessary.
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Very funny Lynn...dying your socks! LMAO. Of course for my first safari I bought the traditional safari attire complete with the shirt with epaulats...never wore them
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myth: animals on a self-drive are too far away to see
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Because I am home alone I can roar with laughter, slap my knee, and shout out epaulets and no one will think I've gone mad. Might there be a photo somewhere of you in your outfit?
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