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Aug 9th, 2003, 02:27 PM
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Offy-
I checked the usual sites I check: 2afrika.com, e-gnu.com, www.wildtravel.net, and couldn't find that particular reference. I also put "Wildebeest Migration Update" into Google every day or two and pick up news. The only one I could find right now was: http://www.magicalkenya.com/default....endocument&l=1
This is undated so I don't think this is what I saw and I don't always get the same sites when I random search. The one I was quoting was current and dated but I don't know where it was.
Governors Camp has their new game report up for July 2003. www.governorscamp.com, click on game report.
Will you be back before I leave in early September? Please post right away if so. Liz
 
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Aug 9th, 2003, 02:29 PM
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Okay, okay Susan, whatever you want! Its the least I can do I suppose since you have to stay home.
 
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Aug 9th, 2003, 02:36 PM
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Hi Liz!!! Reminding me that I will be here in New Hampshire while you are witnessing a crossing (how's that for confidence?) and roaming the plains of the Magnificent Mara watching fantastic wildlife ... you just poured about a pound of salt into an open wound! No matter how much pain I am in, I am still thrilled for you!
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Aug 10th, 2003, 06:38 AM
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I'm laughing hard at all the fun I missed!!!!

I'm more akin to a large brown hippo with long black hair - no tall slim blonde here!

But a giraffe fits me best I think!!!!!

He he he!
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Aug 11th, 2003, 05:02 PM
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Kavey-You are no hippo! I saw your Africa album on ofoto.com. In fact I've been looking at it again in preparation for my trip and salivating over all those wonderful animals and landscapes.
I found a good weekly update on the migration at ultimateafrica.com. They're there!!!!! Andy's gonna see them this week and then me and then Liz.
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Aug 12th, 2003, 12:22 AM
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Aaw you're sweet...
I'm just waiting for all the trip reports... I hope you'll all share lots and lots of details and photos too if possible!
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Aug 12th, 2003, 05:49 AM
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I am drooling over the prospect of all these trip reports ...
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Aug 12th, 2003, 06:36 PM
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Question for all: can you tell me anything about your jet lag experiences with East Africa travel? I have been to China and Australia, so I'm as used to the long flights as you can get. But on this trip we have a decent layover in London - at least long enough for a city tour and lunch. I'm thinking best approach is just to try to sleep enough on both long flights (NY-London and London-NBO) so as to be not totally exhausted. When I embark on such an exciting trip I find it hard to sleep, but maybe Tylenol PM will do the trick. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
Liz - I will be back before you leave and will definitely post a report ASAP. May not have photos by then but will also post those to ofoto.com as soon as I am able. Am relying on my brothers for the wildlife pix cause a) they have bigger, better, more expensive camera toys than me, b) it saves me having to lug a camera and c) I can simply admire the wildlife for all its beauty. Hopefully Andy will have a report before you go, also.
p.s. I apologize for posting a sarcastic note to you in another thread - shouldn't have done that. I got your point but was feeling chided and acted too hastily.
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Aug 13th, 2003, 11:51 AM
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Thanks for the post, Offy. We have 8 total hours in LHR. Figuring we should check in 2 hours early, that leaves 6 hours to lay around and groan. Not really enough time to go to town, I don't think. We were going to get a dayroom, but you have to check out at 6PM to qualify as a dayroom and since we wouldn't check in until 2, just doesn't seem worth the effort. Hope you enjoy your trip to London, but I'm also afraid something will happen to us, so back to laying around and groaning. I just want to get to Africa please!!!
 
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Aug 13th, 2003, 02:11 PM
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Liz et al:

I copied something from new24.com on 11-8-03 which I thought you might be interested in:

"BAD NEW FOR WILDEBEEST? The Sand river is too low for the crocs. to hide in, and the lions on this day have stayed away. In one of the most amazing animal spetacles, an immense herd of wildebeest approaches cautiously, hesitates and finally stampedes across the ford from Serengeti into Mara. . . .

This year, however, the animal trek is not quite like all the others. It started about a month later than usual because of the tardy start of the rainy season and it is threatened by major brush fires in the north-western part of the Mara. So far the migration has not been affected by these brush fires. But the more these fires gain ground, the more they will disrupt the migration by depriving the gnus of their pastures. . . . The fires have not yet menaced the many tourist camps in the park. Some tourists came away extremely disappointed that they hadn't been able to see the wildebeests. For some reason the animals avoided their normal crossing point at the Mara River and instead forded the remote Sand River at the extreme southwestern point of the reserve".

Sounds like you will be far west of the brush fires. We'll all keep our fingers crossed for you that you get to see thousands of your favorite animals.

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Aug 13th, 2003, 07:35 PM
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Nooooooooooooooo...we don't want brushfires!
The northwest part of the Mara - is that near Governors Camp? I went to News24.com but couldn't find the story.
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Aug 14th, 2003, 03:49 AM
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I too tried but didn't find anything about it. Strange that none of the regular websites reporting the migration has mentioned any of this.
I suppose you saw the one about the 4 British tourists who were robbed at gunpoint (AK 47)in the Mara Reserve by the two game wardens? One of the game wardens was from Tsavo. I guess there must not be enough tourists in Tsavo for him.
Certainly makes me anxious to get there. (Groan)
 
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Aug 14th, 2003, 01:24 PM
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Hang in there, Liz. It will all work out. A friend went to the Serengeti last year, only to find that the national park service was doing control burns all over the place. That did not, however, diminish her trip at all. They just had to drive further out to find the wildlife that had fled the fires. Believe me, all this anxiety over your trip will be for not - you will have the time of your life!!!
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Aug 14th, 2003, 03:16 PM
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Liz:

Just heard from my friends in Mombasa and they tell me that what we are seeing in the news is just the press "known for their appetite for drama and in pursuit of this appetite they sometime go overboard and tend to scare people off".

Yes, they do have problems that are being addressed; yes there is heightened security (as everywhere else in the world).

They reassured me that security in Mombasa is quite good at the moment and if they see that changing they will rearrange people's itineraries. The police guard to and from airport is basically for those arriving in the evening, so I don't need to be a target afterall!!

Did you notice in the article about the two KWS rangers arrested for robbery what the sentence is? Robbery with violence = hanging! WOW!

I think all of us on this site have a little bit of fatalist in us. We will still go and enjoy every minute of our trip.

Your gnus are awaiting news of you!

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Aug 14th, 2003, 03:40 PM
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Jan- Thanks, cute!
I will only say that I am glad we have insurance for this trip. If we hadn't already bought our February air tickets for Ndutu, we'd cancel that now. My husband has decided it just isn't worth it waiting for the other shoe to drop every day, and I am finally ready to agree. Just not worth the worry and uncertainty. I think we'll stick to cruising after these trips. We both enjoy cruises. Wrong subject for this board, but long flights aren't our bag anymore. Africa doesn't scare us, just the getting there. Never had to worry about that before, just how bored we'd get on the long haul. Not worry about every one else on the airplane who looks shifty. Of course we'll see how we feel when we get back.
As to the rangers who robbed those Brits, since it happened on the Mara Reserve, we thought how terrible that must have been. AK-47s, that would have ended our trip on the spot. I think they deserve to hang. Thats the whole livlihood of Kenyans and for two to throw that away is serious business.

Well, I shall be glad you don't have to worry about Mombasa, and since we're only two weeks away from our trip and its all paid in full, we'll go and take our chances, but by golly, there had better be some sassy gnus there. The sassiest shall be named Susan Lynne for ever more. I'll tell Susan I named a Cheetah, but heh, heh, a fat gnu for her. I won't say what shall bear the name of Kavey for the rest of its life.
 
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Aug 14th, 2003, 04:49 PM
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Oh, Liz!!!! And to think that I have been so supportive of your trip ... My friend who lives in Nakuru noted that fires are not impeding the migration and that the KWS "has announced it will deal swiftly and severely" (I guess so!) with the two robbers. Liz, I have been robbed twice at an ATM, once at gunpoint and once with a switchblade to my throat. It is certainly not fun, but those instances happened in supposedly a "very good" section of L.A. (Is it any wonder I moved to New Hampshire?) Remember, Kenya is a third-world country, with abject poverty. Think about all the robberies and burglaries that take place in our own states that newspapers don't even bother reporting because burglaries and robberies are so rampant. You will be fine and, despite what you say, I know you will seek out the most beautiful cheetah in all of the Mara and name it after me!!
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Aug 14th, 2003, 05:11 PM
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Liz:

Love you attitude lady! You'd just better have a fantastic time so we can continue to chuckle at your funny notes!

I hear where your husband is coming from. However, as I approach retirement I am at the opposite extreme. I've lived a good life, my kids are grown and if something happens to me, so what! As long as I'm enjoying what I love most then it is worth it. All too often people put off their dreams because of real or imagined fears and then it is often too late to fulfill that dream. Perhaps because I work in a hospital seeing biopsy and autopsy reports all the time I want to enjoy whatever time I have left on this beautiful earth.

Africa helps many of us realize those dreams. From the wildlife, people, scenery and the serenity of the place it is fantastic.

Hope those gnus circle your camp so you can see them closely and name some really gorgeous ones for our Fodorites like SusanLynne and Kavey.
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Aug 14th, 2003, 06:26 PM
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It feels like those who have trips planned have been through hell and high water! There was the East Africa/Kenya travel advisory, the halting of British Airways flights, closing of the US Embassy in NBO, the tragic small plane crash with the Atlanta family and pilots, the British tourist robbery, and of course today all NY airports were closed for a time. That almost gave me heart failure. I cannot wait to get on a plane and get this show on the road.
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Aug 14th, 2003, 06:32 PM
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That's terrible. You were robbed twice? I just can't imagine. So shocking.
Yes I know you have been so very supportive of me and my worries. A true friend if ever I had one. And of course I will name a cheetah after you. I plan to search far and wide for just that special one.
You know Jan and I were talking earlier here and she may have misunderstood something I said, but if she told you anything other than I would find a cheetah, well, as much as I like Jan, I'm afraid she might just be a bit jealous and exagerating what I said. Please you must believe me. I would never do anything but the honorable thing here. Cheetah=Susan, Giraffe=Kavey. See? I didn't forget. You've just got to trust me. Please.

 
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Aug 15th, 2003, 01:06 AM
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=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

to the giraffe and cheetah namesakes...

Liz, I have fingers crossed that this trip goes as well as can be...
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