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If you thought Roy Safaris was economical to East Africa...

Dec 3rd, 2003, 04:53 AM
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If you thought Roy Safaris was economical to East Africa...

I just got a quote from another operator that beats Roy's on the same itinerary by 15%.

Check this one out:

Thanks for your email.
Following are details as per your request,

Please quote me on the following customized itinerary for two adults, sharing:

June 05th - Morning Arrival To Kiliminjaro Airport (JRO). Transfer to Ngorongoro Crater Lodge
June 06th - Ngorongoro Crater Lodge
June 07th - Transfer to Western Serengeti. 4 nights at Kirawira.
June 08th - Kirawira
June 09th - Kirawira
June 10th - Kirawira
June 11th - Schedule flight 1450hrs to Zanzibar 1735hrs
Transfer to Stone Town, Zanzibar. 2 nights at Emerson & Green Hotel. Top floor (3rd floor) room requested.
June 12th - Emerson & Green
June 13th - Transfer to Zanzibar airport for 1400hrs, arrival 1515hrs
Selous Game Reserve. 4 nights Sand Rivers
June 14th - Sand Rivers
June 15 th - Sand Rivers
June 16 th - Sand Rivers
June 17 th - 1545hrs flight to Dar and connect onto Kilimanjaro
Transfer to Kiliminjaro/Arusha. 1 night at Arusha Coffee Lodge.
Coffee lodge is not operating well, I would recommend Mountain Village
or Dik Dik Lodge
June 18 th - Transfer to Kiliminjaro Airport for departing flight home.
__________________________________________________ ____
Total Package cost as per program above,
June 5th to June 19th, 2004
Cost per person in double: USd 3838pp
Plus schedule flights costs: Usd 540
Arusha /Zanzibar /Selous /Dar /Arusha


---This is from another Tanzanian company, Tanzania Serengeti Adventure, and it is listed on a couple different websites that I found after putting a search on Google for local Tanzania tour operators.

The quotation above also went on and on with other information about who they are, what is included and what is excluded and even a list of about 25 references from past customers in USA and Europe complete with email addresses.

This quote has finally helped me reach my goal of getting what I believe is very nice holiday for under $350 USD per person per day. At $4,379 per person, I am sitting at $336.85 per person per day.

I am waiting on about five more quotes. I just went "buck-wild" and after finding a list of local Tanzanian operators, copied and pasted my itinerary and must have sent out five emails requesting quotes in five minutes to five different operators.

I've come a long way since my initial quote of $7,700 per person that really only included an extra night overall.

I am still kind of undecided on the type of Zanzibar lodging I really want. If I am only doing two nights in Zanzibar, then I think I will stick to Emerson & Green. Although I am at Kirawira and Sand Rivers for four nights each, since my only other safari destination is the Ngorongoro Crater Lodge, I really do not think I should sacrifice a single night on safari to sit around some resort area, especially if the charge is $372 per person per night for the only resort that really sparked my interest. That is FIVE times the amount that the very highly recommended Emerson & Green is charging per person and although it is all inclusive at the resort, how could I possibly even spend more than $50 per person per day on food and drinks in Zanzibar??? Even at $124 USD per person per day, paying for my own food and drinks, the resort is still TRIPLE the price. Oh, but those rooms, at over 1,400 sq. ft. each do make it tempting. Haven't seen rooms like that since Singita.
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Dec 3rd, 2003, 04:12 PM
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Sounds like you've found a winner, Roccco!
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Dec 3rd, 2003, 04:22 PM
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Here is the same itinerary as priced by www.onsafari.com, out of Old Greenwich, Connecticut, seemingly a much ritzier address than Arusha, Tanzania:

Estimated total price of tour: US $6695.00

? Per person, double occupancy; Based on a minimum of two travelers

? Inclusive of flights: Seronera ? Arusha ? Zanzibar - Selous ? Dar Es Salaam ? Arusha

? Estimated price of tour is valid until January 31, 2004.


This quote is 53% HIGHER than my quote from Tanzania Serengeti Adventure, and 33% higher than the known and trusted Roy Safaris.

I think I will enroll in community college, get my travel agent's certificate and then I will be opening Rocco's African Adventure's, charging only a 30% markup over what I am able to get the safaris from a Tanzanian operator. At one $10,000 trip per week, I will still gross $10,000 per month for what I already do in my spare time and perhaps earn some free safari visits to the lodges where I send my clients. Almost sounds too easy.

DO NOT BUY TRIPS FROM ANY AFRICAN TRAVEL COMPANY THAT OPERATES OUT OF A BETTER ADDRESS THAN IN THE ONE THAT YOU LIVE!!! Just the name, Old Greenwich, CT, conjures up images of old money! There is another African Travel specialist operating out of Montecito, CA, a very ritzy community near Santa Barbara.

Anyway, it looks like it is always better to deal with local tour operators, as that is all that the American tour operators are probably doing anyhow. Why pay the extra markup????
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Dec 3rd, 2003, 09:41 PM
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Oh these words of wisdom should be in a FAQ.


Rocco, forget becoming just another travel agent. I think you have the makings of being the world's first travel consumer advocate!
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Dec 4th, 2003, 04:12 AM
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Hi Roccco: That price is great. Just make sure you contact their references and make sure their vehicles are in tip-top shape! You have inspired me to finalize my plans to Tanzania and Kenya for October 2004 ... Oh, how I look forward to being there!
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Dec 4th, 2003, 06:58 AM
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I have been espousing that philosophy all along -- book with a local operator, which is exactly what most US-based agents do, and then add a substantial mark-up.
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Dec 4th, 2003, 02:41 PM
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I did a search on Old Greenwich, Connecticut, as I am considering moving there to open my own African Travel company (!), and I was able to find only 1 home out of 19 homes for under $1 Million. Unfortunately, the other 18 homes were all $1.4 million and above.

As a result, I will need to charge all you suckers a 50% markup over what I buy the trips from a local African tour operator. Thanks for the continued support!
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Dec 4th, 2003, 02:42 PM
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I used www.realtor.com, by the way, to perform my search on available properties in Old Greenwich.
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Dec 4th, 2003, 04:37 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse, but the median home price I found in Old Greenwich is $2.6 Million and the median home price I found in Montecito, CA, home of another African Travel specialist in the U.S., is $2,5 Million.

My goal is not to tear down anyone, just not to keep them from tearing me down by charging me 50% extra. Hopefully by saving that 50% I will have the ability to live in Montecito, or at least have a nice vacation home in Bantry Bay or Camps Bay (Cape Town).

Trust me, I would rather spend $660,000 USD my DREAM HOME in Hout Bay, Cape Town, than to live in a place like Montecito or Old Greenwich.

MY DREAM HOME (and hopeful future vacation home in South Africa, or something close to it)

(copy and paste the following to see an amazing home that captures all the beauty that Cape Town has to offer):


This home would be at least $2.5 million in any beach area worth living in California.
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