I've got the point and shoot blues!!!

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Dec 5th, 2005, 12:25 AM
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Given the lack of warranty on a second hand camera, not to mention the lack of knowledge about the history (whether there have been any problems or repairs), not to mention that the mechanisms have no doubt had some wear and tear, I wouldn't want to pay more than 50% of the price for the camera when new.

I think it was around $1000 when new, though I'm not sure on US prices, so might be worth checking it out first.

That's just my opinion though.

I am surprised to observe that second hand camera gear sold on ebay so often fetches pretty much the same price as completely new items! For that reason, I don't usually find camera purchases on ebay very good value but worth checking as you may be lucky.
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Dec 5th, 2005, 06:15 AM
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Hi Kavey! I know what you mean. I'm always surprised at the prices on ebay. I think I've only purchased one thing on e-bay - an old comic book for my boyfriend,who collects them. I've got a bid in right now on a 10D that looks pretty good, adn the seller's ratings are all pretty high. We'll see; but I won't go too high on the price. If I wait until Jan. or Feb I may be able to get a 300D new for the same price or less. Tell me if I'm looney: After thinking hard about it, I just think it will be easier to schlep two cameras that use the same CF cards, same batteries and same charger. If I have to purchase all of these separately for a new camera, cost-wise it'll probably be a wash, and I'll be toting more gear. Plus, I've seen some darn nice pics come from a 10D and good lenses. I'll keep you posted on how it turns out! I just don't like the feel of the point and shoots. I have seen some incredible photos come from these cameras, so it's truly not a snobbery thing at all. I guess it's just a comfort factor... Wish me luck!!!
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Dec 5th, 2005, 06:46 AM
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Hi Kavey - I'm pretty sure the 10D originally sold for $1400-$1500 USD. I was looking for a P&S for a Christmas gift for my son and ran across some Canon factory refurbished 10D's. They come with a 90 day warr for $825 or $850. I thought that was priced too high for only 90 day warranty.

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Dec 5th, 2005, 08:48 AM
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If you have time before the trip definitely worth waiting to see if prices for current models drop - I think there was a bit of a drop on the 20D after the 5D came out but not massive as they are different price ranges and the 5D is filling a new niche inbetween the 20D and the 1DS series.

Sundowner, I agree. I appreciate they are refurbished but 90 days is so short a time and refurbishment programmes do often miss something...

I really got my point and shoot for non-wildlife stuff - when I'm walking about in a city for the entire day and want a nice light bag, am at a friend's party and want to be more unobtrusive as well as unencumbered, or am on a holiday where I am using the SLR for the main activities but don't want to take it to dinner etc. I love it but the slow shutter speeds are an issue and I would find this difficult on safari.

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Dec 5th, 2005, 09:18 AM
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<<I really got my point and shoot for non-wildlife stuff - when I'm walking about in a city for the entire day and want a nice light bag, am at a friend's party and want to be more unobtrusive as well as unencumbered, or am on a holiday where I am using the SLR for the main activities but don't want to take it to dinner etc. I love it but the slow shutter speeds are an issue and I would find this difficult on safari.>>

Kavey - I feel the same way. If I get a second DSLR body, I'll most certainly sell it, and possible buy a smaller camera for what you described above. I've already taken my 20D out and people are ooing and aweing over it, which can be distracting and embarassing. Also, a movie mode would be fun. So eventually I'm sure I'll get a P&S...and I'm sure once I learn how to hold it steady and focus it'll be fine...LOL!

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Dec 7th, 2005, 05:59 PM
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Howdy - Well, if anyone cares, I've just become the proud owner of a used Canon 10D . DAMN this forum! :-&
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Dec 7th, 2005, 06:42 PM
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Congratulations!

Which lenses are you shooting with so far?

Photography is quite an expensive hobby. I shudder to think how much it has cost me and the costs continue to grow. However, there are very few regrets as I have found a way to practice photography year round and I am now a semi-pro with my boxing photography. Tomorrow night will take me to San Diego for an HBO fight card (televised on HBO Latino). Just last weekend, my wife was fortunate enough to sit in the very first row next to the former middleweight, former cruiserweight and next heavyweight champion of the world, James Toney.

Enough about me! Bottom line, find something you love to photograph and practice, practice, practice!

My next lens will probably be a Canon 85mm f/1.2L, but at $1,400 this will definitely have to wait until after Tanzania.

Have fun with your 10d!
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Dec 7th, 2005, 07:28 PM
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Thanks - I paid just a tad over $600 for it. I know that by the time I would have bought a more portable camera, batteries, charger, CF, SD cards, whatever...I'd probably have ended up spending as much or more. THis way, I have matching batteries, chargers, CF cards, and lenses. Easy Peasy. The 10D is still a good camera, even if it does only have 6.2 MP. I'm only shooting with my 17-85 IS at the moment. Now comes lens looking time. I'll probably rent the 100-400L or buy it and sell it when I get back. Holy moly.

You're lucky that Alexsandra goes on safaris AND to boxing matches with you. What hobbies of hers do you partake in? ;-) ;-)
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Dec 7th, 2005, 09:34 PM
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cooncat,

Welllll....I just got home from dance classes, and let's just say I am not so light on my feet (or on Alexsandra's!).

Did the ChaCha and the Rumba tonight. I have a long way to go, however, before I will be turning professional. Hehehe.

What else...Alexsandra is Assyrian, which is the minority Christian populaton from Iraq but now spread throughout the world...less than 1 million of them remaining. It is always an Assyrian New Years party or Assyrian this or that.

I try to make sure that I always drive so she does not have to...I try to be as generous as possible with other things like automobile, jewelery, etc., and I am always generous with her family. Basically, I am just a great guy! j/k

Yes, I do have my passions such as African travel, boxing, and not currently but sporadically in running (doing races every other weekend or so, half the time out of town), but what would life be without having such passions???

In the end, I still manage to find plenty of time to be a couch potato, just to further add to quality of life!
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Dec 8th, 2005, 12:43 AM
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Cooncat, $600 sounds reasonable and you always have the option for selling it at a similar price yourself when you get back...

As for the L glass lens, can't help you there. We couldn't afford L but were happy enough with our less expensive telephoto lens instead.
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Dec 8th, 2005, 10:19 AM
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Kavey - the idea of what I can afford went out the window long ago. When I think about what I COULD or SHOULD be using this money for - I could get new windows for my house, a new driveway poured... - I get nervous. I have to stop thinking about it. Would you mind telling me again which equipment you use for safari? I know you have a 20D, but which lenses? Thanks!

Rocco - just giving you a hard time!

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Dec 8th, 2005, 11:41 AM
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That's great, cooncat! Now, get your lens and practice, practice, practice.
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Dec 8th, 2005, 01:39 PM
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On the 20D we have a Sigma 18 to 125mm zoom and a 75 to 300mm USM lens with Image Stabilisation.

We also recently bought a 100mm macro lens which we have used a few times at home to take indoor "studio" shots in an inexpensive light tent we also bought recently.

On the Nikon D70 (which we had before the 20D and is now our backup) we have a cheap reconditioned (second hand) 70-300mm zoom and a 18-70mm wider zoom (which is the kit lens and very good it is too).

Whilst I would not suggest for a moment that expensive glass isn't worthwhile (since it delivers sharper images with less chromatic aberration, barrel distortion etc.) I just can't justify them given their price and my current skills level.

I think there's a lot more I can do to improve my photographs by better using the equipment I already have before I spend more money on equipment.

Of course, if I win the lottery or something, I'd certainly not hesitate to treat myself to some upgrades but that's another conversation entirely...

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Dec 8th, 2005, 04:56 PM
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how much fun is a newly poured driveway? how exciting are new windows? I don't think any of my projects will ever get done now that i have to spend money on Africa!
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Dec 8th, 2005, 07:20 PM
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Well, Dennis, you know, I'm just a practical Midwestern girl at heart. o It's hard to shake....

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Dec 10th, 2005, 02:17 PM
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Sharon,

Just remember that whatever lens you end up getting, ZOOM is power. Whoever dies with the most zoom wins type of thing, as I was reminded of when I visited the San Diego Zoo a couple days ago. I almost felt bad for the other visitors who had their little point & shoot cameras...almost, but not quite!

Even if you do end up renting a Canon 100-400mm zoom lens, it may not be a bad idea to invest in a 1.4x teleconvertor as this will allow you to get those far off birds, as well as real closeups of animals that may not be approachable because they are too far offroad or possibly on the other side of the river or lagoon.

Also, to compensate for camera shake, make sure that you put it on as high a shutter speed as possible. The rule iss supposed to be about 1 to 1 on the zoom, meaning that if you are shooting at 400mm on a Canon 20d (with its 1.6x conversion factor), you best shoot at a minimum of 1/640th of a second. Of course, the lighting conditions will also determine how fast you can shoot, but I am finding with my boxing photos that I am able to still shoot at an ISO as high as 800 with quality results. I don't think I ever dropped my ISO below 200 on my last safari, but in order to allow myself to shoot at a faster shutter speed, I will not hesitate for one moment to drop my ISO down to 400 or possibly even 800, if necessary, in order to get the faster shutter speed that will produce shake-free images.
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Dec 14th, 2005, 06:12 PM
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Here's a very interesting detailed comparison between the Panasonic FZ 30 ($600) and a Canon 20D with various lens ($3 to 4 k). The conclusion is predictable but if you take the time to review the pictures in high resolution, you maybe surprised at how good the fz30 really is.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/pana...mera_shootout/
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