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Oct 20th, 2009, 07:59 PM
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For the cheetahs' sakes, I hope it works. Was it Ranthambore that was going to receive the cheetah?
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Oct 20th, 2009, 08:01 PM
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Here's the Africa Geographic trip.


Very nice!
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Oct 20th, 2009, 08:09 PM
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Not Ranthambore, Lynn. Thank God! I read an article in my local paper. It just mentioned specific states and not parks.

Knowing the huge territories that Cheetahs require - just think back to the Blood Brothers, who held territory from lagoon all the way down to Duma Tau (when the hell do we have that much wild spaces)?
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sorry typo - Where not when
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Oct 20th, 2009, 09:09 PM
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No one should export animals to other countries to live there for any reason - it is not their natural habitat. Hari, I'm with you, I hope your government rethinks this one. There are other ways to restock populations naturally.

Lynn, it wasn't much of a good reason - it was the only one I knew of offhand, so I mentioned it to her. Mithoo, my friend, laughed and told me that one of her girlfriends was about 10 days away from marrying the guy who runs Ranthambore - or at least the guy who did years ago - when he backed out of the engagement. I'll make sure to mention to her that we should pick another one & that her girlfriend should no longer be sad for not marrying the guy!

I'll be probably reading your trip report long before I get there though - I still want to go to South America, either the Amazon or Pantanel first, plus we have 2011 'booked off' to go on a cruise with Imelda, her husband & their little one! Somewhere over there on her side of the world, maybe the Baltic. Someone has to make sure they they don't get off the ship in Burundi....
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Oct 21st, 2009, 10:06 AM
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".....For example., they have a lodge in Panna. I've read that poaching is so rampant at the moment in the park that it's really shocking."

We visited Panna in June as well and it was EMPTY! They had lost the last of their 40 tigers at the beginning of 2009 and relocated 2 tigeresses from Bandhavgarh to Panna. Both are collared and now make Panna and its 500skm their home.
That gives you an idea that seeing them is like having the jackpot!
We were the only guests at all 4 game drives having 500skm to ourselves ;-). But after we heard the story of the tigers we didn't wonder about the fact that we were the only visitors at that park!

Panna as well as the other parks are unfenced - which normally is a great thing! But in India the tigers can leave the parks to their liking and get killed as soon as they leave these areas. That's the reason Panna lost 40 tigers in only a couple of years!

It's just a matter of time when also these 2 tigeresses will be gone.

When I returned from India, and far more while I was travelling India, my aggravation because of the poor park managements which will definitely lead to the total loss of tigers in the end, grew by the kilometres we were driven and the experiences from park to park.

CCA/andBeyond conducts the game drives similar to the ones in Africa. But generally speaking as they cannot change the rules the overall experience remains the same. POOR!

We had great sightings incl. mating tigers in Badhavgarh. But the knowledge now based on the experiences overshadow the whole trip.

Anyway - I was certain I won't go back to India because of the poor park managements.

But the more time goes by the more I want to return to see these gracious cats in the wilds again as long as they exist.

And of course the Taj! We spent 2 nights in Agra so we visited 2 evenings and 2 mornings. Early even before sunrise. Wonderful experience! And worth the stay.


PS: Cheetah in these parks will mean throwing these cats in and they won't survive!
First of all the terrain is not ideal in most parks.
Secondly the tiger population in Bandhavgarh is too big for cheetahs. The population in Kanha/Pench (corridor between these parks) is even bigger than in Bandhavgarh.
It would be a crime to trans-locate cheetahs from Africa to India. That country is so careless with its wildlife that no African nation should be allowed to support a country which just isn't interested in the animals - except for exploitation.
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Oct 21st, 2009, 10:41 AM
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First of all don't miss the Taj. Yes crowds and touts annoying, but just deal with it. It is worth it all.

Did Ranthambore 7 years ago and it was great. It bums me out to hear of the mismanagement there & especially tigers being killed.

I would leave for Bandhavgarh tomorrow if I could.
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Oct 21st, 2009, 08:14 PM
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"Someone has to make sure they they don't get off the ship in Burundi...."

I needed a laugh with all this terribly depressing information. But thanks for providing it, just the same. All helpful and useful. I want to go despite it all.

One glimmer of hope is cats are prolific--cheetah not as much, but the rest of them are.

Waynehazle, I got to Nyungwe. Spent 4 nights and loved it. Had some luck with chimps and colobus there.
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