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Jan 12th, 2008, 09:35 PM
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The reason I asked is because I heard some very disquieting things about him from a couple sources.
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Jan 12th, 2008, 09:42 PM
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luangwablondes -- I would say Nick is one of these true bush characters. Fits good to me. Other people might have problem with this.

Would be interesting to know what you've heard.
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Jan 12th, 2008, 10:30 PM
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This isn't the place to discuss problem guides. ITs not like this is hearsay either.

Chitake is a place that needs reservations in advance. So if you plan on going, best to see what the operators are offering 1st in their schedule. Anytime into the dry season is good. But I am of the opinion that the end of the dry season is best. I've been there many times. Not a place for your 1st safari or if you don't like wildlife in and around your campsite.
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Jan 12th, 2008, 10:44 PM
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luangwablondes -- 'problem guide', strong words. Nick is running quite successfully the only permanent private camp in Mana Pools NP, he can't be that problematic for doing this. Maybe you could send me an email about all this?
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Jan 12th, 2008, 10:54 PM
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Hi lungwablondes.... long time... how have you been??? I just went to bandhavgarh for the tigers and it was a mind blowing experience.. check out my trip report

As usual I want to see lots of lion prides, spend quality time with them day and night...., I donnot mind animals around me specially lions if they donnot peep into my tent.... natureways looks good... nyama and lungwablondes could you please send me an e-mail, nyama for the books on lions and other cats and your experiences with natureways and nick murray and lungwablondes for your reports on nick murray... would really appreciate it, thanks, Sonali
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Jan 12th, 2008, 11:28 PM
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Sonali,

Here are some lion books from my personal library:
"The Art of Being a Lion", by Christine & Michel Denis-Huot
"Big Cat Diary: Lion", by Jonathan & Angela Scott
"Golden Shadows, Flying Hooves", by George Schaller
"Hunters of the Dunes", by Fritz Eloff
"Hunting with the Moon", by Dereck & Beverly Joubert
"In the Lion's Den", by Mitsuaki Iwago
"Into Africa", by Craig Packer
"Lions", by Brian Bertram
"Lions Share", by Jeannette Hanby & David Bygott
"Liontide", by Chris McBride
"The Marsh Lions", by Brian Jackman & Jonathan Scott
"Nightstalk", by Bruce Aiken
"Pride of Lions", by Brian Bertram
"Prides: The Lions of Moremi", by Chris Harvey & Pieter Kat
"Relentless Enemies", by Beverly & Dereck Joubert
"Return to the Wild", by Norman Carr
"The Serengeti Lion", by George Schaller
"The White Lions of Timbavati", by Chris McBride
(I don't want to list the Elsa books here)

Natureways: I can't tell much about this because I havn't been with James on safari so far - I only know him from other places. The latest edition of Travel Africa magazine (#41) has a feature about a safari with James.
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Jan 12th, 2008, 11:42 PM
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nyama, thanks alot for the book info... I will start browsing the net for them ... also could you elaborate your experience with nick....

Actually regarding books my grandfather was an avid colletor of rare wildlife books... he gifted them to me as I am the wildlife crazy member of the family.... I have 40 odd books, many with original colour lithographs, photos, signatures of authors... all this is collected before 1960...I can write the names of the books and authors if you are interested....

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Jan 12th, 2008, 11:47 PM
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Sonali -- thanks for the offer of your books, but I'm not such deep into this. Regarding Nick - if you love the bush, you will love him. I don't write trip reports.
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Jan 13th, 2008, 12:13 AM
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nyama, the books are of sentimental value, what I meant was you could check if these are available elsewhere.... the names as they have me published so long ago would be rare in itself and provide insight about the quantity and quality of wildlife in the old days.... they are on africa and India....

I will write an e-mail to nick and james and see how it goes

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Jan 13th, 2008, 12:19 AM
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Sonali -- thanks again, but as said, I wouldn't call myself a collector of such books.
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Jan 13th, 2008, 12:33 AM
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Fine nyama.... also which park would you choose for best lion viewing if you were to go beginning of august out of.... mana pools,kafue,SSGR,chobe and north and south lungwa...
I am planning a great white shark safari around end july....so my safari would be beginning august....and I am not a great walker.... i prefer to do most of the sightings by 4 wheel drive...

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Jan 13th, 2008, 12:41 AM
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SSGR is not my world. From the rest I would choose South Luangwa.
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Jan 13th, 2008, 01:47 AM
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Biggest pride I've ever seen was in northern Hwange - 36 members, they had brought down 2 buffalo.

The prides in the Linyanti can get big too - in 2002 Selinda pride numbered 24 (before the 3 pride males deserted them) and at the same time the Savuti pride (aka Bridge Pride totalled 15.

Often when they get that big the prides are at their peak and deteriorate or split up over the next few years.

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Jan 13th, 2008, 01:57 AM
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If I recall correctly, Shenton Safaris in SLNP says their Mwamba pride numbered 35 last year but has split up into sub-groups.

As Geoff says, the Selinda pride exceeded 20 in 2002. It was about the same in 2000 until a bushfire injured the lionesses and caused 14 cubs to starve to death. The pride's recovery by 2002 showed how strong and stable it was. But after that, the desertion of the males and the deaths of the two senior lionesses from old age sent the pride into decline. It hasn't really recovered yet.

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Jan 13th, 2008, 03:48 AM
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Hi John and geoff for posting about the lion prides... the largest pride I have seen is around 25-30 ( with cubs ) in central serengeti.. I am planning to go in the first week of august..... where should I go and how many days should I go to maximise lion viewing, would love to off road and do night game, in a heavily lion infested area
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Jan 13th, 2008, 04:10 AM
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Sonali,

I'm going to Shenton's Kaingo and Mwamba camps in SNLP in July...maybe not "heavily-infested" with lions but enough to satisfy me, plus the promise of excellent leopard sightings and plenty of other wildlife. It's variety which I go for. As for duration...that's like asking me how long is a piece of string. Go for as long as you can afford.

A few years ago, I would have recommended the Linyanti region without hesitation because of my experience at Selinda...you could see 40 lions in a day (plus wild dogs and cheetah), with plenty of off-roading and a good chance of not seeing another vehicle...but it's not the same now.

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Jan 13th, 2008, 04:11 AM
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Typo...of course, I meant SLNP.
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Jan 13th, 2008, 04:21 AM
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thanks John.... Shenton looks great.....ever been to kafue ?? busanga was high on my list but will august be too early.... a week at SLNP and a week at kafue....and as I have never been to V. falls maybe 2 days there(will that be enough)

You seem to be a wildlife lover... which other parks in africa have you been to....

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Jan 13th, 2008, 05:28 AM
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If it helps at all in the Kruger Park the highest density within is around the Lower Sabi & Croc bridge area.
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Jan 13th, 2008, 07:07 AM
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Hi dalton, firstly sorry, read about the screen name issue.... hope fodor's responds....well i am not familiar with the ssgr, which lodges and camps are located in the area you recommended...Sonali
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