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Jul 26th, 2008, 05:17 AM
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Andy,

Why is it that you need constantly to personally attack people who have a different opinion to you, are you related to Safarichuck in anyway?

I have not attacked you in anyway merely the statement made by the initial poster which I thought was mildly laughable.

Some others clearly think the same does this make us all in need of "help".

Quite frankly after you apologised about missreading posts on the other site I thought you may have learned not to be so angry, I was clearly mistaken.

Who do you think it was that accused you of not giving good advice?

 
Jul 26th, 2008, 05:28 AM
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Ken, an apology was on if I misread your posts, but I don't think that I did misread them. You have a history of being very negative, and it was my way of making peace. If you don't have something good to say, please don't say or post anything at all. Chuck was obviously trying to be kind.

you have been quite successful in baiting me into silly posts in the past, but I am done with it. enjoy your cesspool of negativity.
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Jul 26th, 2008, 06:16 AM
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Divine 54

It is nice that you think I am Andy but I am not I have no known aliases, and I am not attempting to drum up any business as I am not associated with either the travel business, photography or indeed bird watching.

Andy

Your latest comments being posted at the same time as you send a private message indicates a lot. I think that everybody can see that my initial comment was funny not negative. In fact from my reading you were the first to make a derogatory remark not that that worries me in anyway.
If you do not understand what I say then that is your problem if you do not think that it is OK to recommend people to try birdphotogrsphers net (home to some of the finest photographers in the world) then that is OK as well.

Just do not try to question my sanity. Perhaps you would care to send another private message detailing all of my negativity.


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You will run out of nunbers soon, I am pleased we can agree now and then!
 
Jul 26th, 2008, 07:19 AM
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Here's an opinion of a guy who got fed up of BOTH sides of the medal. FWIW...

THIS site;

Mostly for the high-end safari stuff. With that I mean; A 50-50 of either safari-newbies who dare not choose any other accommodation than "six paw" for fear of catching some terrible disease (or whatever), or people with too much cash, who like to brag about having been in a lodge that charges 1000 bucks a night.

As a result, the info that is available on this site is not always correct/complete. People here often do not know (or want to know) that their game viewing experiences have actually been sub-par. That there are better, yet cheaper spots. They also do not know (or want to...) that their eco footprint is rather big by opting for their style of travel. Nor do they need to know much (or at least it seems that way) about the problems that local people and local wildlife face.

As there are lots of $$ on this forum, there are of course the hawks. People "in the business". Some keep a low profile. Some do not. Some are real crooks running off with client's money. Others are honest people just trying to make a living. In what category does Andy fit? He obviously is selling a product for which most of his customers should be found on a site like this. All I can say is that Andy has always been friendly to me, even though he knew I'd never be one of his customers.

THAT site;

Unfortunately, the "other side" is far from better. I for one am tired of the condescending tone towards his site. Calling this site 'the fruitcake forum' ad nausea. It's just disgusting. Did you know that over there they advise each other not to share certain information over here, eg for fear of luring too many interested people to some wildlife area? Can anyone rhyme that with their looking down on this site? I mean; how can you look down on people for not knowing what you known when you are the one that keeps the info from them in the first place?
Also, that other side has a serious ego problem too, even more so than on this side. There are always those with too much time on their hands. Fanatics. After a while they gather some lemmings around them, who drink their words like wine. Any person with even the slightliest difference of opinion is flooded by posts/text/data and lemming-ramblings. The only outcome is the sovereignty of the über-safarist.

And I know they do not want to know this, but just as on this site, there are people trying to make a living from them. Either by selling safaris, by using info to be used in books, by promoting portals that generate money by the number of clicks, even by gathering an impressive list of facebook adresses with the intent of establishing one selves' name in the "safari-community". Etc...

It seems that, thanks to all these facts, for me there's hardly a place on either forum. After all, gray is not a popular color these days. You have to be black. Or white.

There was a time that after having written such an honest opinion like this, I'd be ready to duck for the replies I'd get (posts full of hatred) for daring to say the truth. But I've learned. This time; to anyone who feels he "fits the shoe" and decides to react; I will probably not even bother to reply, but just imagine my middle finger going up, will you?

Until the war ends, I'll be reading some good books. More useful information there.

Ciao,

J.
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Jul 26th, 2008, 08:01 AM
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So who is "diviine54" [with two "i's"]. Same as "divine 54"? Ironic to make fun of alter egos.
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Jul 26th, 2008, 09:45 AM
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Hold these thoughts, I need to make another batch of popcorn.
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Jul 26th, 2008, 09:46 AM
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I will bring the beer and peanuts....

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Jul 26th, 2008, 10:35 AM
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The success of this forum is a possible reason for its inevitably decline.

I deliberately didn't join Safaritalk (the one that Pixelpower refers to) because I felt that eventually they were going to move into the same direction of endless chitchat as here.

 
Jul 26th, 2008, 11:24 AM
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Note the following two threads:

"Digital photography tips: techniques and equipment" and "Great Safari Gear Article". Both referene the same article. Is it possible that Chris is relly Mr. Myhrvold?
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Jul 26th, 2008, 11:48 AM
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Sorry for the typos, should be reference and really. I doubt Andy could type this badly
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Jul 27th, 2008, 07:29 AM
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Hi,
I'm new to the forum and planning a family safari with emphsis on photography. My daughter is also an avid photographer as is her husband. We realize that this sort of phtography requires a different skillset so are thrilled with the links provided in this thread. Unfortunate that it was allowed to deteriorate. Is there any way of linking our websites to the Forum? I would like to post some of our gallery but can't figure it out.
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Jul 27th, 2008, 08:20 AM
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Link? - not so that images pop up automatically, that I'm aware of. Good thing too that's not possible here otherwise could be 500 images downloading - from one poster . We post our gallery web address here then if I want to see the photos I click on it. Like some of the trip reports you see here now. Of course your gallery has to be on a web site somewhere.

regards - tom
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Jul 28th, 2008, 03:02 PM
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Shame on you all! I stumbled upon this Board last January, a dazed and confused "newbie", overwhelmed with the daunting task of planning a first-time safari. I was traveling alone and had no idea where or how to begin.

Many wonderful, patient strangers on this Board answered my call for help. I was blown away by the outpouring of assistance. Were some of you looking out for your own self interests? Probably. Were some of you feeding your egos? Probably. Were some of you just being nice? Without a doubt. It was up to me to use my good sense and judgement to weed through it all and make my own decisions.

So, what's my point? I'm leaving in a few weeks for Tanzania with someone I met through this Board, someone who I believe is honest and has great integrity. And I have spoken highly of this Board to many friends. But, IF I'D READ THIS PARTICULAR THREAD LAST JANUARY YOU CAN BE SURE I'D NEVER HAVE LOGGED ON AGAIN. This is a public forum, you guys. (duh) Your dirty laundry doesn't belong here. I know, you're all thinking, "Who the hell is this aknards to be lecturing us?" Well, I'm just Joe Newbie Public letting you know how embarassing (and discouraging) it is for us "outsiders" to get a glimpse inside. It's not very pretty...and very counterproductive.

sorry for butting in. i'll now disappear.
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Jul 28th, 2008, 04:00 PM
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aknards - every large internet forum I follow has a few posters/members that like nothing better than to argue and make waves. They would argue about whether the sun will set if somebody would listen. You haven't seen such before?

regards - tom
ps - or, maybe it's just the "company I keep"
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Jul 28th, 2008, 04:52 PM
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aknards,
Very well said.
Regards-Chuck
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Jul 28th, 2008, 06:03 PM
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Wow, I innocently opened this thread and was surprised that all this crap happens "internationally" and not just on the lounge......although I sure would like some resources for Africa photography.
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Jul 28th, 2008, 06:11 PM
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You go, aknards!!!

I am frequently dumbfounded by the rudeness and intolerance on this board. I am an intelligent (usually) adult, and I think I can discern what is self promotion and what isn't. And, even if it is, so what? Maybe the information is still worthwhile.

Would any of you talk to each other like this if you were face to face? I think in the anonymity of the internet we lose some of our humanity.

Grow up, for goodness' sake!
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Jul 28th, 2008, 06:12 PM
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oh, and btw - thanks for the link, the photos are wonderful!
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Jul 28th, 2008, 06:21 PM
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We are in the early stages of planning our first safari. Several of us in the family are avid photographers so the information posted by the OP was of great interest and will be really helpful. Seems like a couple of characters are bent on making something that was intended to benefit all of us into something sinister. This character sniktawk in particular seems like a very bad actor. Why do any of you tolerate this? Obviously there is no moderator on this forum, just a free for all, UGGG..........
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Jul 28th, 2008, 06:39 PM
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the editors will come in and delete posts or close a thread if it gets out of hand, but they do so rarely. they try to rely on folks' good sense and decency to keep things cool, and usually it works.
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