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SusanLynne Feb 25th, 2004 11:51 AM

Elephant Watch Camp, Samburu
 
Has anyone been here? If so, please tell about the accommodations (especially the bathroom areas built around a tree!), game viewing and anything else to help me decide whether to stay here. Thanks in advance.

thit_cho Feb 25th, 2004 01:29 PM

I can give you some info on Samburu, but not Elephant Watch Camp. I visited Samburu last August 2003 and stayed at the Serena Lodge, which although a fairly large lodge was less than 1/3 full. The game drives were very interesting and we didn't see many other vehicles except at a magnificent leopard sighting that was announced over the radio (I can't complain because that's how we found the leopard). Samburu is a very nice park, much drier than the Mara, but with a wide variety of game, again much less than the Mara. But during our three game drives we did see the Samburu specials, which were the reason for our trip (Reticulated Giraffe, Grevy's Zebra, Beisa Oryx, Gerenuk, Somali Ostrich and Vulturin Guinea fowl), plus lions, leopard, elephant, buffalo, cheetah, baboons and crocodile (in fact, our lodge fed the crocs at night and although they baited leopard, leopards did not take the bait). The highlight of the trip was a magnificent large male leopard resting in a tree, and we must have taken at least 20 photos during the hour we were there -- we only left when it began to get too dark for photography.

Also, the drive from Nairobi is not bad, and we broke it up on the return by stopping for lunch at Mt. Kenya Safari Club -- in my opinion, the least value for money that I've enountered (around US$70 per person for a very average buffet lunch). But its a nice place to wander around with an interesting zoo, including zebroids (hybrids between horses and zebras).

sandi Feb 25th, 2004 02:03 PM

thit_cho -

Re your comment that the road from NBO to Samburu wasn't bad - I gather you mean up till you got to Isiolo? As I recall, the road from Isiolo into Samburu is almost as bad as the road to Amboseli?

Also, how long (time)was trip from NBO to Samburu since you did it in a single haul? We stopped on both the trip up and down, so I'm curious? Thanks.




thit_cho Feb 25th, 2004 02:16 PM

Your correct -- the road from Isiolo into Samburu was terrible (bumpy, dirt road -- not really a road at all), but by then I considered us to be almost into Samburu and viewed our journey from Nairobi as being over. Although we made a few pitstops on the way to Samburu, I think total travel time to the Buffalo Spring gate where we entered the park was around 5 hours. We then did a game drive so we took around 3 hours to get to Serena, but I'm sure its less if you drive directly to Serena without the game drive.

TravelMaster Feb 25th, 2004 02:58 PM

Well since Susan's thread is already way off topic I thought I'd add my 2 cents - we were at the Serena Lodge in Samburu in Oct '02 and was a great introduction to Kenya and much like 'thit cho' described (albeit we had a 6.5 hr drive from Nairobi including 3 stops along the way, with the last 40km/90 min on the dirt road from Isiolo (but it & the road to the Mara were no worse/no shorter than some of the 'logging roads' I've taken here in Canada for equally amazing fishing trips).

We stayed at the Mountain Lodge at Mt Kenya on the way back found it very relaxing (and while only a few kilometers from the equator, due to the elevation it was somewhat cold even for us Canadians - I never imaged I would have wished I'd packed a pair of mittens for Kenya).

But from my perspective, the roads were not as bad as I was lead to believe and I was gald that -
- we drove rather than flew as it gave us a chance to see the villages along the way & meet a few people
- many of the roads arn't paved, as the dirt roads impact the wildlife enough, paved roads would further impact the delicate environment and bring in more people than the areas can sustain

Later,

Z

SusanLynne Feb 25th, 2004 06:34 PM

I'm familiar with the road conditions and the Samburu area itself, thanks. Was just looking for info about this new camp. Anyone?

SusanLynne Feb 25th, 2004 06:39 PM

I didn't mean for my posting to sound at curt as it did. My apologies to Sandi, thit_cho and TravelMaster. But was really just looking for feedback about Elephant Watch Camp. I am intrigued by the place, but because it is relatively new I am a bit leary about going there, not sure if all the kinks of opening a new place have been worked out. Oh well ... how bad can it be, right?

sandi Feb 26th, 2004 04:26 AM

SusanLynne - sorry to have moved off subject. I checked the sites for this new camp and unfortunately there aren't any substantial pics of the actual tents and especially the bathroom!

Small tented camp - I like
Elephants up close - I like
The Owners, the Douglas' - long-time residents
The Price Range - more than reasonable

Being that new, I doubt there are many who can comment, so why not contact one of the sites, and ask your questions to them directly and request pictures, but you know that. As to "whether the kinks of a new camps have been worked out" - checking with the land operator is all I can think to do.

I find that reputable operators will be honest with you, regarding food, vehicles, guides, accommodations, security around the camp (guards or fences) water, if there is electricity or only lamps - you know, "the questions!"

But it sure looks interesting!

SusanLynne Feb 26th, 2004 02:02 PM

Yeah, the lack of photos is one of the little things nagging me, since I don't like to "buy" without "seeing" the product. But it does sound good, doesn't it? I am torn between Elephant Watch and Lewa Downs for this area. Will do further investigating, as you suggested. Sandi, as always, thanks for your thoughtful response!

king Feb 27th, 2004 02:33 AM

A few years back I visited Olerai House (lake Naivasha)which is also owned by the Douglas Hamilton's and it is a charming place, beautifully decorated in typical Italian flair by Oria Douglas Hamilton, who is originally from Italy. I was lucky to meet her and she is a very domineering person but has a wealth of knowledge and interesting information. The staff were always happy and the food was exquisite.

At that time she was talking about her idea of building the Elephant Watch Camp. I think her project got delayed but now she has the camp up and running. The primary function of the camp is to introduce you to the elephants of Samburu that the Hamilton's have researched over many years. They have strong links with the Elephant Research station and are privy to detailed up-to-date research information that most cannot obtain. Thus you should be able to learn a lot about the elephants of Samburu. However, is this your primary interest? The reason I ask is that the camp is expensive and if you are not that interested in in-depth elephant interaction then you might be better off staying at Samburu Intrepids Camp which is cheaper.

What Elephant Watch camp offers is a small exclusive camp (designed in the typical chic Oria style I am sure) with a unique offering and surely good food and good location at a high price. Is the price worth paying? Perhaps it is if you really want to learn more about the elephants. It could turn out to be a very unique experience and perhaps a lifechanging one too.

I think you should email the camp to find out exactly what the routine would be, what the interaction with the elephants would involve, the menu, etc., especially as the price is high. Perhaps even plan the day to day programme in detail. I suppose you would want to stay there at least 3 nights in order to really get to know the elephants.

Lewa - I have been to Lewa and stayed at Lewa Safari Camp (tented camp) and Wilderness Trails( luxury cottages)both in Lewa Wildlife Coservancy. I highly recommend both. Lewa has been very successful with rhino conservation and you will see plenty of black and white rhino, sometimes with Mount Kenya in the background. Lewa also has large elephant and buffalo population and some unique wildlife that is also found at nearby Samburu (gerenuk, reticulated giraffe,grevy's zebra). The game is not as prolific as Samburu, which has the Ewaso Nyiro river to thank, but here you will find several different habitats, including savannah plains, woodland, swamps (with bird watching hides), which will make the game drives different everyday. There are cats here too but not very easy to see.

There is another advantage - small number of tourists. Also both places offer nature walks with armed guides, picnics in the bush, and sundowners taken on hills overlooking the spectacular Northern Frontier District of Kenya - one of the must see sights.

The manager at Lewa Camp at the time I was there was Sean who ran the camp with his wife and both were affable, welcoming and accommodating. Wildeness Trails is owned by the Craig family who have been in Kenya for many generations, having originally come from England. They usually host the guests, their house being in the same compound as the one where they have built the beautiful guest cottages, some old and some new. The Craigs too are very friendly and your stay here will be more like staying with friends -it is a very homely place. They also keep horses so you can indulge in some riding in the conservancy and they also have a tennis court. Both places have swimming pools. Apart from that they offer the same type of activities as Lewa Camp.

My suggestion would be to spend 2 nights at Lewa safari camp and 2 nights at Wilderness Trails.

Kavey Feb 27th, 2004 03:20 AM

Am I right in guessing that Saba Douglas-Hamilton, who has joined Simon King and Jonathan Scott as a presenter of later series of Big Cat Diary, is the daughter of the Douglas-Hamiltons mentioned here?

king Feb 27th, 2004 05:19 AM

Quite right!

Kavey Feb 27th, 2004 06:46 AM

:D

SusanLynne Feb 27th, 2004 10:43 AM

King: I was hoping you would chime in on this posting!!! This is my dilemma: I will be in Tanzania Oct. 15 through the 27th, then fly over to Kenya for only nine days. The first day will be spent attending to business in Nairobi, then time to head out in the bush. My husband, who is less than enthusiastic about this whole trip to begin with, said the one thing that will make it "tolerable" is seeing rhinos. (We saw some on our 2002 trip in the Crater, but only from great distances). For rhino, few places compare to Lewa Downs. So, for his sake, I am more than happy to go there for three nights. MY goal is to be with elephants. Subsequently, Tsavo or Samburu came to mind. Tsavo may prove to be a bit out of the way on this trip due to time constraints - so Samburu it is. I must admit that the allure of Elephant Watch Camp is who operates it. I have the utmost respect for the Hamilton's. (And Kavey, I admit to being extremely jealous of Saba's excursions with the Big Cat Diary team!) Unfortunately, we can't spend more than two nights in this area, as we are going to move on to Meru. Decisions, decisions, decisions ... we will have to see what the savings account says! :'(

thit_cho Feb 27th, 2004 10:59 AM

Based solely on my single trip to Samburu, it didn't seem to be that great a park for elephant viewing, at least not in August when I was there. We saw several lone bulls, and a few medium size herds (20 or so elephants), but I didn't see elephants in numbers like I have seen elsewhere in Africa (Amboseli, Chobe, Etosha, even Kruger). Maybe they migrate out of Samburu in August. I understand Tsavo is more difficult to reach based on your travel plans, but isn't it meant to be better for elephant viewing.

That being said, Samburu is beautiful and has an abundance of unusual animals. Its a great park, just not, I thought, one of the best for elephants.

SusanLynne Feb 27th, 2004 11:53 AM

thit_cho: Point well taken, but the gameviewing for Oct/November in Tsavo is fair at best, while Samburu/Lewa Downs/Shaba areas are supposed to be "good." Believe me, I am torn between Tsavo and Samburu, I really am. It's just that with such little time, it seems to make the most sense to do the Lewa Downs/Samburu/Meru circuit, as they are all relatively close to one another. I may have to save Tsavo for 2006 trip. Oh dear ...

Kavey Feb 27th, 2004 01:35 PM

Susan, me too, me too.
I must admit, I prefer the other two presenters, though it's nice to have a woman on the team, she just doesn't appeal to me as much in the way she describes and reacts to the cats...

SusanLynne Feb 27th, 2004 07:31 PM

I wholeheartedly agree, Kavey. I think the only time I enjoyed her narration was the episode where two male adolescent lions (perhaps one was Solo?) were trying to make heads or tails of a rhino in the Mara. She genuinely seemed interested in the interaction between lions and the annoyed rhino. Perhaps because she was raised in Kenya and has been around wildlife all her life that she is a bit more accustomed to it, so she does not exude the enthusiasm that I expected from her? Whatever ... I am still jealous!

king Feb 28th, 2004 02:44 AM

SusanLynne

Are you flying from Arusha to Nairobi? If you are driving, then you can pop into Amboseli for 2nights, Ol Tukai Lodge is excellent for elepahnt watching, then take the morning flight to Nairobi and finish your business there. If you could leave the business bit to the end, then from Amboseli, you can fly onto Lewa via Nairobi on Air Kenya and from Lewa to Samburu and then fly back to Nairobi. I feel Meru may be the one that is out of the way. Nice park as it is and the accommodation at Elsa's Kopje outstanding (I presume you will be staying there), it does not have the game concentration of the other parks mentioned. After years of poaching in the park, the game has been affected but the wildlife service is making a good effort to rejuvenate the park. I suppose your visit to Meru will help towards that rejuvenation.

Also a friend of mine who has just arrived from Kenya says Samburu is teeming with elephants.

The other thing you could do is do Lewa, then Il Ngwesi (incredible community lodge 60 mins drive from Lewa)and then Samburu. I stayed at Il Ngwesi last year and loved it. It is owned and run by the local Masai and was a fantastic experience. One of the nights the bed was rolled out in the open and I slept under the stars! There is a waterhole right in front of Room 1 (the last room on the right handside of the main building)and I spent the afternoon watching an elephant bathing in the pool and also chasing baboons. Il Ngwesi is reintroducing rhino in the area and we saw 2 white and 1 black rhino called Omni. Omni is used to humans and we got to pat him, feel his horns... There wasn't much game around at the time but in the drier season it has apparently lots of elephant. At night I did hear the lions roaring. Il Ngwesi would be a unique experience. You will find good descriptions and slides on www.vintageafrica.com

king Feb 28th, 2004 04:22 AM

also look up www.lewa.org

SusanLynne Feb 28th, 2004 05:34 AM

King, thanks for your input. Call me a sentimental fool, but I must go to Meru. I have dreamed of Meru from the first time I saw the movie "Born Free." Understandably, the animals are skittish. The poaching in that area has been atrocious. Yet, the KWS has done a valiant job in trying to thwart the poaching, and I hope that by going there, it will in some way show support of their efforts. And yes, we are going to stay at Elsa's Kopje. When we went to Selous in 2002, we were warned about the animals being very shy and skittish in that reserve, as the vase majority of it is set aside for hunting. The encounters that we had, however, with elephants, lions, giraffe, buffalo, crocs and hippos were simply fantastic. Hopefully Meru will come through for me. As for Il Ngewsi, I will look into it. Your experience there sounds wonderful. I just wish I had more time. We will be flying from Arusha to Nairobi. The personal business I have cannot be changed until the end of the itinerary, so our first day will be spent in Nairobi. On our last trip, we went to Amboseli, which I love. I hope to return there after I get some of these other places "out of my system," but Africa never really gets out of ones system, does it? :-D
Please continue to monitor this posting, as I may want to pick your brain further about Il Ngwesi or even ... gulp .... Matthews Range and Shaba!

Kavey Feb 28th, 2004 06:38 AM

Susan I recently bought every single back issue of Travel Africa magazine (they had a special offer on at the Destinations Show earlier this month) and I have really been enjoying reading through them all.

I had thought that the earlier ones might not be worthwhile in terms of ideas and information but bought them to enjoy the images and so on. Instead I have picked up ideas and inspiration from every issue.

Anyway, I definitely recall reading something about Meru in one of the issues I just read and it does seem like it would be a special and quiet place to visit.

SusanLynne Feb 28th, 2004 12:46 PM

Hi Kavey! Meru is a place I must go. Like I had to go to the Mara and Amboseli, well Meru ranks right up there. Just think ... if I see a lion, it might be of the same lineage as Elsa! Also, it is to my understanding that Kora National Park has reopened. As you may know, Kora was George Adamson's place where he lived with his beloved lions until his tragic death. Already I have that haunting theme song in my head: "Born Free, as free as the grass grows. As free as the wind blows, Born Free to follow your heart. Stay free ...." It is a good thing this site does not have audio, as my singing voice is appalling! The Lonely Planet Kenya guidebook says of Meru: "The next Masai Mara? Watch this space." I just have to go. Elsa's spirit is calling me and helping lure me is the following from Lonely Planet: "The resurgence is definitely a good thing, as the park is a complete contrast to the nearby savanna reserves of Samburu, Buffalo Springs and Shaba ... This is one of the most geographically diverse parks in Kenya and a favourite with the safari cognoscenti: you need a few days here to fully appreciate what the park has to offer ... The major advantage of Meru is that you're unlikely to come across another safari vehicle anywhere in the park." Sounds like heaven to me!

Kavey Feb 28th, 2004 01:05 PM

Would you stay at the newish Elsa's Kopje?

LizFrazier Feb 28th, 2004 03:36 PM

Susan-
Just read your last post and I could hear you singing "Born free to follow your heart" and I got tears in my eyes. How wonderful! Liz

SusanLynne Feb 28th, 2004 04:56 PM

Liz: Thankfully you can not hear my voice, but instead relied on your memory of that wonderful song. ;-) I watched "Born Free" the other day, as well as "Living Free" and "To Walk With Lions." Yeah, I am not going for months and months yet, but I am already getting into pre-safari mode ...

Kavey: Yes, we are going to stay three night at Elsa's Kopje. How can I not stay at a place of that name? Oh, I cannot wait to get there! I imagine I will get tears in my eyes when I see my first lion in Meru - providing I do. I know it is a risk as far as game viewing, but it is one I am willing to take. As I said earlier, we were warned about Selous, yet we had some wonderful encounters. Imagine being in Meru and perhaps being lucky enough to come upon a pride of lions, resting comfortably atop a kopje? I will no doubt get tears of joy in my eyes, and have to explain to my husband just why I am being so emotional. Should that happen, me thinks my beloved will put me in an institution upon our arrival home! But, oh what memories I will have!!!

Kavey Feb 29th, 2004 08:09 AM

All I've read of it suggests you'll have a truly marvellous experience and the camp does look INCREDIBLE!

I just watched some more documentaries including one called Swimming Lions about lions in the Okavango Delta that have learned how to live and hunt even in water in order to survive in the area. I'd seen it before ages ago but this time I recorded it so I can refer to it again!

SusanLynne Feb 29th, 2004 11:58 AM

Kavey: I think I saw that one. Fascinating, absolutely fascinating!


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