Can Roccco or anyone assist plse?
 

It will be our first safari, after reading many good things on Zambia this is where i want to go. Im 29 and it's time for Africa.
My only possible travel month will be october, 11-21 or 22. Fly out from Ams, arriving in Joho late at night. From there on i need help. I want to include Vic falls, half a day enough. I like Roccco's schedule but want to shorten it a bit. I like Kasaka river lodge, Kaingo, Luangwe river lodge, maybe kutandala. i need to know if certain things can be done by car or need to fly everything. Which place is better to stay 3 or 2 nites. Is october still ok to be there? I want as much variety as possible and preferably do 3 different lodges instead of 4. Unless its really worth it. Any thoughts are welcome, thanks a lot. Alejandra www.madelza.nl

I see i can even fly KLM to Lusake via Nairobi, so i wouldnt fly to Joho if Lusaka is better. I vic falls is near livingstone, i need to fly?

If you can fly to Lusaka, you should do so, since from there you can catch short flight to Livingstone. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think one day at Vic Falls is sufficient.

I'll defer to Rocco on the Zambia lodges. Even though I visited Zambia before he did, and even recommended South Luangwa, he has lapped me several times when it comes to knowledge of that park.

Michael

Alejandra,

How many nights do you have available upon arrival? Will you be arriving in the morning or afternoon? If you arrive in the morning, you will be able to proceed right into your Zambian safari, but if you arrive anytime after 10:30AM, you may need an overnight in Johannesburg.

Given your limited schedule, I would go with something like the following:

Victoria Falls, 2 nights at Tongabezi.
Lower Zambezi, 4 nights at Kasaka River Lodge
South Luangwa, 4 nights at Luangwa River Lodge

I am choosing Luangwa River Lodge because it is the best value while also being the most luxurious looking lodge.

I do think you should allow 2 nights in Victoria Falls, especially since I recommend beginning with Victoria Falls rather than ending with it. You would be much better off ending with the incredible memory of South Luangwa, in my opinion.

It will be very hot in South Luangwa and Lower Zambezi by mid-October, but the gameviewing will be at its VERY best, with animals crowded around watering holes and the drying river. Also, tiger fishing should be at its best by then in Lower Zambezi and the elephants should be in the Zambezi River.

I would check to see if Victoria Falls is worth visiting in October. It is possible that the water may be at its lowest level, but I could be wrong. If you did find that it was at its least favorable time and elected to skip it, then at that point I would whole-heartedly recommend an itinerary as follws:

Kasaka River Lodge (4)
Kaingo (3)
Luangwa River Lodge (3)

The hippo hide at Kaingo must be incredible by mid October and would justify a trip to Kaingo all by itself, although you are sure to see lions, leopards, elephants, and a plentitude of other game (including hundreds of crocodiles right outside your room as you look down the river bank) while at Kaingo.

thanks so far for the help.
If i fly into Lusaka on oct 12th we will arrive at 13.40h, midday.
My plan after reading this:
Lusaka to Livingstone drive or fly? Like to keep transportation cost as low as possible & dont particurly like tiny planes had bad experience. 2 nights at Stanley lodge or Tongabezi, rates? which is better value?

oct 14th, go to Kasaka for 3 nights, how to get there? rates plane & lodge p.p.p.n.

oct 17th, go to Kaingo for 2 or 3 nights? how to get there? rates?

oct 19th go to Luangwa river lodge, 2 o3 nights? How to get there? rates?

Flight back Lusaka to Ams is on sunday 23rd of october at 11.10 in the morning.

So whats better, 3 nights at kaingo and 2 at luangwe? or the other way round? or 1 night less at Kasaka. I can do 2-3-3 or 3-2-3 or 3-3-2.

I cant find the website of Luangwe river lodge, can you post it please.

which parts can be done by car?

http://www.luangwariverlodge.com

I am curious to see your plans and and hear Roccco's advice, as I am planning an almost identical trip for next year (hopefully)...happy planning.

Thats very funny.......I just hope the prices wont be extraordinary!! Are you intending to be in Zambia for 10 nights too? What would you change in my itinerary if you were me? Just to hear someone else's plan....

That link to Luangwa doesnt go for me

Yes, I am also planning on about 8-10 days, starting with 2 in Vic Falls. In Vic Falls I found one lodge that looks great, and is less expensive than some of the other 5* ones: www.siankaba.com, but haven't seen any feedback from someone who has stayed there.

Luangwa and Kasaka River Lodges look great. The one thing I was wondering, and was going to ask Rocco eventually, is if it would be better in terms of variety/scenery to go inland/off the river for some of the time and stay someplace like Puku Ridge www.star-of-africa.com. I would also definitely want to include time in a tented camp, either Sausage Tree Camp, Puku Ridge, or elsewhere.

It will be fun to see how your plans take shape this year, as I must wait until 2006 :(

Alejandra,

The good thing about Zambia is that the lodges are priced very well in comparison to lodges in South Africa and Botswana. The bad thing is that unless you have a lot of time, you absolutely will need to fly in smaller planes if you plan on going anywhere beyond Victoria Falls. The planes may range in size between 5 seaters to 19 seaters, but you should be prepared to fly on the very smallest planes.

My wife is also very fearful of flying on smaller planes, but after a couple previous visits to Zambia, I would say that she is no more fearful of a small plane now than she is of a large plane. The Zambian pilots are really excellent and I have never had a problem flying to South Luangwa or Lower Zambezi.

As far as costs go, you are looking at the following for your desired itinerary:

>>2 nights at Stanley lodge or Tongabezi, rates? which is better value?

Lusaka - Victoria Falls - Lusaka = $300 per person

Stanley Safari Lodge, 2 nights = $450 per person, including activities

Lusaka - Royal (Lower Zambezi) - Lusaka = $180 per person

Kasaka River Lodge, 3 nights = $850 per person

Lusaka - Mfuwe (South Luangwa) - Lusaka = $320 per person

Kaingo, 3 nights = $1,200 per person

Luangwa River Lodge, 2 nights = $700 per person (This would be a nice grand finale, but I do think I would recommend 3 nights at Kaingo if you only have the opportunity to spend 3 nights at one of the lodges).

Grand Total = $4,000 per person


If this is too expensive, you could always consider staying at a place like Flatdogs in South Luangwa, and that would cut your costs considerably. For Flatdogs, in your own private chalet and with all food and activities it would probably only cost about $600 per person for a 4 night stay. If you did stay at Flatdogs, I would make that the only place in South Luangwa, and would then extend your stay at Kasaka River Lodge to a 4th night.

MODIFIED FOR FLATDOGS

Lusaka - Victoria Falls - Lusaka = $300 per person

Stanley Safari Lodge, 2 nights = $450 per person, including activities

Lusaka - Royal (Lower Zambezi) - Lusaka = $180 per person

Kasaka River Lodge, 4 nights = $1,140 per person

Lusaka - Mfuwe (South Luangwa) - Lusaka = $320 per person

Flatdogs, 4 nights = $600 per person

GRAND TOTAL = $2,990 per person (a savings of over $1,000 per person)

Good luck.

So none of Kasaka/Kaingo/Luangwa are tented? i like 1 place tented too. Are these 3 all by a river? that might b etoo much water....

cruisinred,

Puku Ridge is a beautiful camp with very luxurious and spacious tents. I only toured it for about 30 minutes (while I was staying nearby at its sister lodge, Chichele Presidential Lodge), but I would not hesitate for one second to stay there. It would make an excellent combination with a camp such as Kaingo.

I very nearly booked at Puku Ridge this year, but Luangwa River Lodge eventually won out. The biggest reason for staying at Luangwa River Lodge is that I was guaranteed my own vehicle for my party of four, along with slightly better rates, while Star of Africa was not willing to provide me with a private vehicle. If it were just my wife and I, that would have been fine, but I find it a bit awkward to be with a foursome if I am only with my wife, just as I would find it a bit awkward to be with another couple while I am with my wife, mom and sister. Too many competing interests.

Puku Ridge has this incredible swimming pool that looks out onto an open plain. While I was there, elephants walked right through the camp and there were zebra and antelope out in the open plain.

Puku Ridge, while 10+ miles away from most lodges, is still too close to most other South Luangwa lodges to consider a combined tour with. I would only recommend combining it with either Kaingo, Tafika, Tena Tena or possibly Luamfwa Lodge, all of which are a good 2+ hour drive away.

Alejandra,

Kasaka River Lodge is tented.

I dont want to stay in a place like flatdogs. When i arrive to Lusaka is it possible to drive to Livingstone? I heard its 4 hours. You didnt comment on Tongabezi, is that nicer than Stanley?
So you suggest 3 nights Kasaka, 3 Kaingo and 2 Luangwa? I dint completely understand the flights. Can i fly from Lusaka to Kasaka, from Kasaka to Kaingo and Kaingo to Luangwa? You must think i m totally not aware of teh possibilities but since you are there i m lazy and not yet figuring things out myself...:)
do all these places have possibility to refresh in a pool if it will be so hot?

Roccco- Sorry to jump in here on Alejandra’s thread, but I have been reading your Zambia posts for a few weeks now.

Regarding the air transfers, is it ever possible to make the connections without having to go back through Lusaka each time? For example, from Vic Falls to S. Luangwa or S.Luangwa to Lower Zambezi?

Where do both of you live? US?

The good part for me is that at this moment $ 4000,- is equivalent to € 3079.- Euros, yeah...

The only guaranteed way it is possible to fly straight from South Luangwa to Lower Zambezi or other combinations that bypass Lusaka is if you charter the entire plane. If you have a foursome, it is actually a little cheaper to charter a small plane than to go on the planned routes that require the stopover in Lusaka.

Hey, if Alejandra and cruisinred share the same dates and same lodges it would be a little cheaper and you would be able to bypass Lusaka on your transfers.

For Alejandra, I just noticed that you will not be arriving until the afternoon in Lusaka. You may or may not be able to get to Livingstone on the same day. If not, you may want to consider starting out with one night in Lusaka and then take an early morning road/boat transfer to Kasaka River Lodge. It would be about 90 minutes by road and then about 2.5 hours by speedboat up the Zambezi River. This would eliminate one flight and would probably be very interesting.

If you don't want to lose a night in Lusaka, then I strongly suggest that you fly on South African Airways from London - Joburg. There are two daily flights and you will arrive in Joburg either at 7:30AM or 9:30AM, and have the chance to arrive in Lusaka at an early enough hour to fly wherever you wanted.

I just would not count on driving anywhere. You need to fly between your destinations, especially given your limited timeframe.

To answer your question, Alejandra, I am from Los Angeles. There is probably no further place in the world that I may travel than Southern Africa. Last year, ending my trip at Chichele Presidential Lodge in South Luangwa, it took me about 40 hours to get home!

Chichele Presidential Lodge to Mfuwe Airport, Mfuwe Airport to Lusaka Airport, Lusaka Airport to Johannesburg Airport, Johannesburg to London Heathrow, London Heathrow to Los Angeles, and after clearing customs, etc., about a one hour drive home.

Even so, there is no place on Earth I would rather visit than Zambia.

Regarding Luangwa River Lodge, I have had no problems getting on their website this morning. Perhaps another page within their website will work better...copy and paste the following:

http://luangwariverlodge.com/rates/rates.html

Last thing...although it is more expensive and I don't know who the managing couple is for this year, Alejandra, you may want to consider staying at Chichele Presidential Lodge, simply to escape the heat on those last days. It will be scorchingly hot by the end of your trip and the air conditioned rooms at Chichele may offer a welcome escape from the heat:

www.star-of-africa.com (Chichele)

Rates at Chichele are $450 per person per night.

If you do choose Chichele, then I would recommend that you combine it with Kaingo, staying at Kaingo first and then finishing in grand style at Chichele. They have a wonderful swimming pool with views in every direction of the valley below.

will skip Livingstone.
14 oct. arrive Lusaka 11.55 Take car and speedboat to Kasaka.
15 oct Kasaka
16 oct Kasaka
17.oct Kasaka to Kaingo via Lusaka?
18.oct Kaingo
19.oct Kaingo
20.oct Kaingo to Luangwe via Lusaka?
21.oct Luangwe
22.oct Flight out of Lusaka at 11.10 so perhaps is better to do one extra night at Luangwe.
what would be the airport names of each place? which airlines should i look at?
what would approx be price of this itinerary?

Alejandra,

I am afraid that if arrive in Lusaka at 11:55AM, it will probably be too late for that transfer, but I could be wrong...you should check with Kasaka River Lodge to be sure.

Really, I know what you are going through with the small planes (I have spent countless hours reassuring my wife), but once you fly with Airwaves Airlink, the preferred light air transfer company in Zambia, you will be very much at ease. Chances are, that you will be able to sit right alongside the pilot as I have seen many other frightened guests, as it is somehow more comfortable for fearful passengers to ride in the front seat than in the back or middle of the plane.

With your flight departing at 11:10AM on your final day, unless you charter a plane (it will be nearly double the cost of a scheduled flight), then you will probably need to spend your final night in Lusaka at the Taj Hotel, the Inter-Continental Hotel or the Holiday Inn (the Taj is supposed to be by far the nicest of the three).

Therefore, your itinerary would be as follows:

Kasaka River Lodge (3) $850 per person
Kaingo (3) $1,200 pp
Luangwa River Lodge (2) $700 pp
Taj Lusaka (1) $125 pp

Flights:

Lusaka-Royal Airstrip-Lusaka $180 pp
Lusaka-Mfuwe-Lusaka $320 pp
(It will be a 2 hour road transfer between Kaingo and Luangwa River Lodge and this will be a free transfer provided by Kaingo...if this road transfer were in South Africa, you could be sure that it would cost $100 per person!)
You will probably spend about $20 each way on a taxi if you end up spending your final night in Lusaka.

I suggest you visit the website of Remote Africa and click on their link that reads "Rates", as it will show you a full schedule of flights.

Therefore, by my calculations, you are looking at costs of $3,395 per person for the above itinerary.

Perhaps with proper planning, you may be able to force in the final night in Livingstone.

I ve sent my itinerary to www.tagasafaris.co.za and hope they will get back to me with an offer. Rocco do you suggest i start contacting the lodges myself? Or will Taga come up with an entire plane including flights?

I havent got any reply from Taga, shoul di start contacting th elodges myself?? I m afraid they will be booked if i wait to long.

Alejandra,

I would give it a couple more days. You will probably have a harder time getting responses from the lodges since they are mostly closed for the season right now and may only check their messages a couple times a week.

Taga will get back to you shortly. While sometimes it may take a couple of days, I can assure you that they offer very competitive pricing, and I don't know if this matters to you or not, but they accept credit cards, unlike the game lodges. If you were to book in high season with the game lodges, your pricing would probably be no better than through an agent AND you would have to pay wiring fees to wire the money into their bank accounts.

Thank you i ve just emailed Luangwe river lodge with my itinerary. Her you go: Tell me if this is a good one.
Oct 10 Flight Amsterdam to Lusaka on KLM via Nairobi
Oct 11 Arrive Lusaka at 11.40 A.M. Take drive and speedboat to Kasaka river lodge
Oct 12 Kasaka River Lodge
Oct 13 Kasaka River lodge
Oct 14 Transfer from Kasaka to Kaingo Camp (early as possible)
Oct 15 Kaingo Camp
Oct 16 Kaingo Camp
Oct 17 Transfer by car to Luangwa River Lodge
Oct 18 Luangwa River lodge
Oct 19 Luangwa River lodge
Oct 20 Flight to Livingstone, Hotel Royal Livingstone
Oct 21 Very early flight back to Lusaka, our flight home leaves at 12.45 p.m

Alejandra:

I too am waiting for a itinerary from Taga. I've checked with them - they are having a little trouble getting through to the Zambian lodges because of trouble with the phone lines, which is causing some delays. Per your question, Taga will come up with the entire itinerary including flights.

So, as Roccco said, you might expect it to be a few more days.

On the drive and speedboat to Kasaka - I don't see in your e-mail how many people are in your party. I had e-mailed Kasaka a couple of months ago asking about the costs of that transfer. They said they don't do it very often because of the costs... where the air transfer is US$ 200 return pp, the road transfer Lusaka to Gwabi is US$200 one way & the boat Gwabi to Kasaka is US$300 one way.

Alejandra,

Your itinerary looks great, providing you can get all of your desired transfers. You may be arriving just a little too late to take advantage of the road/speedboat transfer. Also, as long as you are prepared to pay possibly an extra $300 pp extra for your transfer to Victoria Falls for just one night, then it looks fine.

If you don't care for paying that much extra to get to Victoria Falls, then I would not hesitate to spend a fourth night at Kasaka River Lodge.

Dreaming,
I just received an email from Taga with the same answer about the phonelines. He sent my itinerary to his offices in Zambia and will get back to me.
About the transfer to Kasaka, that sounds really expensive....i thought it'd be much cheaper than the flight.

Rocco: I m already thinking 9 nights safari will be too long, i ve never done it but it must be all the same, day in day out,i hope i am wrong though but an extra night at kasaka sounds too much to me. If i can get the transfer to see the falls i would like it, if not i will have to stay a night at the Taj in Lusaka which i dont really want. I know i would go to Zambia only once, cos i have so many other dream destinations, therefor i would love to see the falls, even if its a quick visit. I m afraid my whole itineray wont be able to work out without taking charters. We are just 2, thats too expensive.will keep you guys posted about answers from Taga.

Dreaming,
What itinerary do you have in mind?

Alejandra,

9 nights is perfect for a first time safari, but I can almost guarantee you that you are going to fall in love with Africa and will be planning your next trip very shortly after you return from your first trip.

Do not worry about everyday being the same...it will not. Everyday will hold something entirely new. While you may have a couple days where nothing seems to happen, just as you are wishing that you would have shortened your safari, something amazing will happen and by the end of your safari it will probably be with much regret that your holiday is ending.

My first year, I only spent 6 nights on safari.

My second year, I spent 8 nights on safari.

Last year, my third year, I spent 11 nights on safari.

This year, I will spend 15 nights on safari! :) If I had the time and money, I would gladly add 6 nights in Kafue National Park, a couple nights in Victoria Falls and 4 nights in Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe, but that will have to wait until next year.

Alejandra -

I have 13 vacation nights to plan. So far I am somewhat up in the air about the first 5 nights, but they will be in South Africa. Then, I'm planning on Kafunta River Lodge & Kafunta Island Bush Camp (2-2-1), then a couple of nights at Kasaka (2), my final night will be back in Jo'burg with some sort of day tour on the last day before my night flight out.

As far as whether or not your schedule will work out without taking charters, Roccco mentioned the flight schedule on Remote Africa - you might take a look at that to get a feel for timing. http://www.remoteafrica.com/flightschedule.asp

Thank you, the schedule however is from 2004

Alejandra,

Although I can never find their website, the Zambian air charter company I most recommend is Airwaves Airlink:

Airwaves Airlink: [email protected]

They have regularly scheduled flights, in addition to chartered flights. For my chartered flights, Airwaves Airlink was about 25% less expensive than Proflight, so it may be worth your while into chartering at least some of your flights so you are able to get them at the times you want.

My experience is that these flights typically take place a little earlier (around 9:30AM) so that it does not interrupt their normally scheduled flights, but I have been told this is a good thing as it gets very hot in September & especially October by 11AM.

A few alternatives, with websites, are the following:

Proflight - http://www.proflight-zambia.com/

Zambian Airways - http://www.zambianairways.co.zm/
I believe Zambian Airways only serves Lusaka, Mfuwe and Victoria Falls airport of the airports you are visiting, as these are larger Raytheon Beechcraft 1900 aircrafts, seating 19 passengers.

Personally, I prefer the smaller Airwaves Airlink planes. With me, Zambian Airways has only a 50% on-time record, as we were once delayed for four hours as our plane at Lusaka took flight right before our eyes, in order to go pick up stranded passengers in Harare when their other plane (there are only 2 planes in their fleet) had mechanical problems.

As a result, instead of getting to Mfuwe at 1:45PM, we arrived at 5:45PM, too late for our evening game drive in what was already a short 5 night stay at Kafunta River Lodge/Kafunta Island Bush Camp.

So, if you like larger planes (if you can call 19 seats a larger plane), then Zambian Airways may seem the way to go. Personally, however, I would recommend Airwaves Airlink, or Proflight over Zambian Airways.

Avocet - http://www.avocet-charters.com/

Staravia - http://www.staraviazambia.com/

While you may see very high rates on some of these websites, those rates only apply if you charter the entire plane. Chances are, especially if you are going anytime between August - October, that you will be able to get a "shared" seat rate, which means that there will be other passengers on board besides you and your companion.

I suggest that you e-mail the above companies once you have firm dates in mind.

The airports that you will be using for your itinerary are as follows:

Victoria Falls - Livingstone Airport

Lusaka - Lusaka Airport

Kaingo - Lukuzi Airstrip (about 30 minute drive, as opposed to 2 hour drive from Mfuwe. This only applies if you plan on visiting Kaingo prior to Luangwa River Lodge. Between lodges, it will be a free road transfer provided by whichever lodge you visit first).

Alternately, you may opt to fly into Mfuwe, which will be a more available flight if you are sharing the plane with others, and will provide a nice 2 hour road transfer/game drive to the lodge.

Kasaka River Lodge - Royal Zambezi Airstrip. It is a short 10 minute road transfer from here to Kasaka River Lodge.

I would just send each charter company an e-mail with your dates, as follows:

>>Oct 11 Arrive Lusaka at 11.40 A.M. Air transfer required to Royal Zambezi for stay at Kasaka River Lodge.

>>Oct 14 Air Transfer from Royal Zambezi to Lukuzi Airstrip or alternately Mfuwe for stay at Kaingo.

>>Oct 20 Flight from Mfuwe (after 3 night stay at Luangwa River Lodge) to Livingstone for 1 night stay at Hotel Royal Livingstone.

>>Oct 21 Early morning flight from Livingstone back to Lusaka in time for 12:45 international flight.

Most of the flights, unless chartered, will likely have a stopover in Lusaka. However, if you charter any flights, chances are that they will be so early that you will miss your final morning game activity. With 15 nights worth of safari, I don't really mind this, but with only 9 nights worth of safari, you may not want to sacrifice 1/3 of your morning game activities in favor of chartered flights, but that is a decision you must make.

Good luck.

Still feeding off all Roccco's information and planning the Zambia trip.

We're actually now looking at a combination of Malawi and S Luangwa, staying at the Wilderness Mvuu lodge in Malawi and then Kafunta and Luangwa River Lodge in S Luangwa.

I happened just to look at Zambian Airways website and they have a special runing at the moment which suggests that you can buy coupons for $100 each (minimum 4 coupons maximum 8 coupons per person must be purchased). Each coupon covers one sector. This suggests that we can fly Lusaka - Mfuwe - Lilongwe - Mfuwe - Lusaka for $400 which seems a pretty good price.

Haven't checked this fully yet but thought I would post for other people.

Rocco, need your advice again. I will post you the email i just got back from Luangwa river lodge, i havent heard from Taga yet.
Hi
I am just awaiting to hear from Kasaka on there best rates then I will send you a quote for the whole package.
With regards to Kaingo they are unfortunately fully booked for that date but there sister camp Mwamba has space....its still a nice bush camp but a little more rustic...but all the same charming.
I have attached a small article on Mwamba for your reading.
Sorry for any delay in replying but my comms had been down for the last 3 days.

regards
Barry

I have just looked at Mwamba Camp but I dont think I like it too much, do you have a option (or more) to go instead of Kaingo? It should be in that aread i guess.

Alejandra,

I would suggest that you also try Tafika (www.remoteafrica.com). In certain respects, Tafika and Kaingo look very similar, especially in their common area.

Tafika is a little further north than Kaingo and it is the only camp/lodge in all of Africa, to my knowledge, that offers microlighting as an activity.

http://www.remoteafrica.com/microlighting.asp

It is only for the microlighting that I chose Tafika over Kaingo this year.

In Mwamba's defense, I will say that the guests that I met at Kaingo last year who had just stayed at Mwamba, loved it. Also, it does completely remind me of Kafunta Island Bush Camp and although it was very basic at Kafunta Island Bush Camp, I loved it. I really felt like I was part of nature.

You should consider that at Mwamba, you would still have the opportunity to visit Kaingo's Hippo Hide, and I believe this could be a real highlight of your stay. Then again, so could microlighting. But, if you have no intention of microlighting, then I would definitely stay at Mwamba.

The only other camp that I would consider staying at in the general area, but in reality, much further south, is Tena Tena, a Robin Pope Safaris camp. Really, besides Nsefu, which is another RPS camp, there is nothing else in the area besides a few very small bush camps operated by Norman Carr Safaris, a company that I have never considered using.

In checking availability on RPS website, there is still availability for your dates in October. Honestly, I think the reason why Kaingo is full on those dates is because the Hippo Hide will be so incredible by then that past guests do not want to miss it. All the more reason, I guess, to reconsider Mwamba.

So, bottom line, I would either go with Tafika, Mwamba or Tena Tena. I really do not think you can go wrong with any three of these camps.

Thak you Rocco. I will consider it then, very upset Kaingo is fully booked. I will aslso try if they have place if its only for 2 nights.I m now even thinking of just doing 3 nights Kasaka, and 3 nights Luangwa. and then do a stopover on the return in Nairobi to have 3 days on a beach resort if there is any nice ones.