Barking up the wrong tree...wild dogs in Serengeti?

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Dec 2nd, 2005, 07:25 AM
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Some time next year, I'll be in touch.
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 09:11 AM
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Rocco, are the wild dogs at the San Diego zoo gone? We saw the dogs for the first time there in December 2002 before embarking our TransCanal cruise. Would be cheaper than flying to Honolulu
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 10:28 AM
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I have been to SD zoo a couple of times in the last few years and have never seen them there.
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 10:43 AM
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eenusa,

I was at the San Diego Wild Animal Park and did not see them there but I have not visited the San Diego Zoo in twenty years so I don't know about there. I will, however, check it out.

Damn, damn, damn...if I were a solo traveler I would foresake Zanzibar and go to Selous or Ruaha for my final five nights to hopefully see wild dogs.

Botswana, here I come. (July/August 2006)
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 10:45 AM
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Hmmm...an interesting bit of trivia...foresake is actually spelled forsake...courtesty of www.dictionary.com
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 11:01 AM
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Rocco, you may want to book your SAA ticket now for next Summer (using your Delta SkyMiles). I am on an SAA flight from JFK to JNB (connecting to Upington -- the airport nearest Kgaladagi) for next July, and I booked it a couple of months ago. They allow you to book them 331 days in advance, and they go quickly. If you don't use the ticket(s), you can re-deposit the miles for a nominal fee. Plus, they allow you to change the dates for free (if space is available). Get 'em while you can.
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 12:34 PM
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Michael,

If I book now, I will only be able to book from Europe or South America to Johannesburg, as I am still about 25,000 miles shy of my required 240,000 miles to get from LAX - JNB. Given that I am looking at a pretty expensive summer flight to Europe, I am holding off for now. It would likely be about $800 per person to fly LAX - Europe and then 80,000 miles per person for a Business Class flight from there.

Frankly, I am getting tired of this routing, and although it will be wintertime in South America, I may just opt to fly Sao Paulo - JNB. It is about an 8.5 hour flight and requires 100,000 miles, but it should be a cheaper flight to South America from Los Angeles in July / August than to Europe and will give me the opportunity to spend a few nights in South America. I have the necessary mileage to go to South America now. However, a better option may be to fly Business Class to Buenos Aires (about 15 hours of flying from Los Angeles) and then foot the bill myself to go from Buenos Aires to Sao Paulo to Joburg.

A final option could be to go through Sydney, a direct flight from Los Angeles, but although Sydney constantly is rated as one of the top cities in the world, Buenos Aires just seems to catch my attention more at this time. I have this (mis)conception that Sydney is a beautiful but sterilized city. While it would be my sixth continent, I don't really place a priority, anymore, on visiting all seven continents. It will happen in due time, but for now, I would much rather just visit the places that most appeal to me and for the time being, they do not include Australia or Antarctica.
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 12:49 PM
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Well, having been to all the cities you just mentioned, Buenos Aires and Sydney (where I have been twice) are far more interesting than Sao Paolo.

I take it you have about 215,000 miles. Can you snag one business class and one coach ticket on the LAX-JNB route, and then ask if you can switch the coach ticket for biz if you get 25,000 more miles. Those tickets are impt to get as soon as possible since they don't last. You may want to call and see if any LAX-JNB biz class tickets are available for next Summer -- I'd bet many days are already taken.
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 01:14 PM
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Michael,

The only reason for Sao Paulo is that it is, I believe, the only gateway from South America to Southern Africa. Trust me, I have no desire to go to Sao Paulo if I were able to fly from Buenos Aires, Rio De Janeiro or Santiago to Southern Africa.
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Dec 2nd, 2005, 03:01 PM
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I have only been to Sao Paolo on business, and it was in 1998, but I do recall two excellent restaurants: Massimo (probably one of the best Italian restaurants I have ever been to, including in NY and Italy) and Fasano (or something like that). Of the two, Massimo was the better, and its one of the best meals I have ever had (at the time it was cash only, and with wine, about $200 per person, but well worth it).

I have to spend the weekend doing research on Tunisia, where I'll be the last week of December. I don't think I've ever seen a Tunisia-post, but its a new Africa country for me, and it looks fascinating.
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Dec 3rd, 2005, 04:07 AM
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Napamatt/Rocco - the SD Zoo website indicates the dogs are in the Cat & Dog Canyon (I think when we were there in 2002, they were in Bear Canyon). The October 2002 ZooNooz had a write up the dogs as well.
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Dec 4th, 2005, 07:21 AM
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eenusa,

I will have to check on this. If there are, in fact, wild dogs at the San Diego Zoo or San Diego Wild Animal Park, then I will be there next weekend and get my first photos of wild dogs. Although I have a yearlong pass to the San Diego Wild Animal Park and San Diego Zoo, I have not returned since about a July visit. I was just too disgusted after doing a "game drive" at the SD Wild Animal Park. Nothing to do with the treatment of the animals...more to do with it being so far from a real game drive in the African bush and also with having a "guide" who was absolutely clueless. She had the audacity to tell me that she has had guests that had said that they saw more animals with her than they ever did in Africa...makes me wonder if they were looking for the Big Five in Southern Africa/Eastern Africa or whether they were looking for the Big Five in Morocco or Egypt!

Anyway, I will check it out and post an update on whether or not there are wild dogs in San Diego.
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Dec 5th, 2005, 09:35 AM
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http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/t-wild_dog.html

Every time we go to the zoo, our friends kid gets tired and so I never see everything. Next time I taking a roll of duct tape!
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Dec 5th, 2005, 09:46 AM
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napamatt,

Thanks for the link. Too bad these dogs are not placed at the San Diego Wild Animal Park where they would have much more room to roam.

Glad to see that the San Diego Zoo is working with the Zambian Wildlife Authority (ZAWA) and that other organization.

Hopefully I will get to see Wild Dogs, even if it is in captivity, by next weekend!
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Dec 5th, 2005, 03:05 PM
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Hi,

I'm planning a trip to East Africa next year and according to the Lonely Planet guide to animal spotting in East Africa, wild dogs can be found in small numbers in Tarangire NP in Tanzania and in Sambaru NP in Kenya, but not in the Serengeti.
I think the rumours of wild dogs in the Serengeti is spread by tour organizer, I've seen a couple of organized tours that make the Serengeti claim but tend to take it with a grain of salt.

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Dec 5th, 2005, 04:13 PM
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Agreed on the rumours, we chose Chiefs in 2003 because that area was great for dogs (didn't know about this forum then), first thing the guide said was "we haven't seen dogs in two years"!
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Dec 6th, 2005, 04:08 PM
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Wild dogs are also in the Laikipia region of Kenya. Our guide at El Karama said they last spotted them about 2 weeks before our arrival but we had no luck. Now I know what I'll be doing with one of my 3 days in Honolulu next month
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Dec 29th, 2005, 03:34 PM
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Now here is the ultimate tease:

http://www.wildwatch.com/sightings/sightings.asp?lid=12

It is a link showing that wild dogs were recently spotted by Manyara Tree Lodge staff/guests in Lake Manyara, my very first safari stop in Tanzania.

Oh well...just give me some tree climbing lions and I will be happy...although I would be happier if a pack of 20 wild dogs gave the lions reason to climb the tree in the first place!
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Jan 4th, 2006, 11:25 PM
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Just had my very first 'sighting' yesterday at the Honolulu zoo
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Jan 14th, 2006, 03:23 AM
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Patty,

Did you manage to snap any photos?

Although I have now seen wild dogs, not quite the same seeing them at the San Diego Zoo as it will be seeing them in the wild.
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