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Kavey Jul 2nd, 2001 08:07 AM

Back from Safari in Namibia and Botswana...
Hi All<BR><BR>I am back from one of our most special and wonderful holidays in Namibia and Botswana and will be attempting to write it up (not sure I can do it justice in words) and post it here on the Africa forum... <BR><BR>It will take me some time to write up (I did keep a diary though so that will help) and photos will also be a while since with 20 films I am trying to negotiate a deal with a good photoprocessing lab. I<BR><BR>Anyway, if you have got questions feel free to ask away here.<BR><BR>Kavey

lisa Jul 2nd, 2001 10:39 AM

Kavey -- I am dying to hear all about your trip. Am currently looking into safari options for next year, either Botswana/South Africa/Vic Falls or Kenya/Tanzania. Please don't spare any details! Am interested in everything from which airline you flew to where you stayed, what it cost (sorry, I know it's gauche to ask, but it's important!), what you ate, what animals you saw, etc.

Kavey Jul 2nd, 2001 11:24 AM

Lisa<BR><BR>I have already started typing up my report which I will post on this thread, but it will take me a while. <BR><BR>I will write in sections and post as I go.<BR><BR>But if you have any specific questions you want to ask sooner please feel free to email me at the address below removing spaces and Moos.<BR><BR>[email protected]<BR ><BR>Kavey

Kavey Jul 2nd, 2001 11:33 AM

Itinerary<BR><BR>Leave London evening 15th June<BR>Arrival (on BA from London) in Johannesburg, scheduled flight transfer to Windhoek (Namibia) and charter flight to Wolwedans Dune Lodge 2 nights<BR>18th car transfer to Sossusvlei Lodge 2 nights<BR>20th charter flight tranfer to Damaraland Camp 2 nights<BR>22nd charter flight, scheduled flight and 2nd charter flight to Little Mombo Camp (Botswana) 4 nights<BR>26th charter flight transfer to Little Vumbura Camp 2 nights<BR>28th charter flight transfer to Chitabe Trails Camp 2 nights<BR>30th charter flight to Maun, 2 scheduled flights to Johannesburg (via Gaberone) and BA flight home to London, arriving on 1st July.<BR><BR><BR>I would add a note that this itinerary was exceedingly expensive, partly because we did stay in some stunning camps, but also because we had so many flights included, including scheduled ones and provate charters of little Cessnas between camps.<BR><BR>A similar holiday could be acheived for less by concentrating on just Namibia or Botswana, and Namibia is also popular for self drivers (though you should be aware the distances are big).<BR><BR>We even met people who were camping but we preferred our luxury options!!!

Kaylee Jul 3rd, 2001 12:02 PM

Kavey I like your style. Would you please give me an idea whether this two weeks cost US $5,000 or $25,000. We would like to do something similar next year

Kavey Jul 4th, 2001 12:07 PM

OK. I wasn't going to post price on here because although I usually do one week's holiday for the cost of one night of this one, I have seen many people flamed here for choosing expensive options, you know, the kind of comments along the lines of "Don't you know there are starving children in XYZ?" <BR> <BR>It in the region of $14k. <BR> <BR>But as I said, a large part of that is the number of flights. <BR> <BR>If you just do Botswana and concentrate on 2 or 3 camps (Mombo is most expensive but far and away best for Game and for accommodation) then this should pull it down a lot. Likewise a lot of people just did Namibia and many self drive which is some long drives (but great views) but less expensive. <BR> <BR>Kavey

Kavey Jul 4th, 2001 12:07 PM

That's US $

Robin Jul 4th, 2001 12:59 PM

Hi Kavey-- <BR> <BR>I'm looking forward to your report, and I have a couple of questions for now! How did you choose Namibia and Botswana? Have you been to other areas of Africa? It appears to me (as I have not been before) that part of the decision-making process is determining what types of animals interest you most. Is that fair to say? Any advice for narrowing down a portion of the continent to focus on? Oh, and I'm curious, if you don't mind, since you admit that making the effort to go to both countries increased the cost, what pushed you over the edge to do both? I guess that's more than a couple of questions, but this is one of my dream trips. Thanks for offering your expertise!

Kavey Jul 4th, 2001 01:10 PM

Hi! <BR> <BR>I had been to Kenya and Tanzania before. THey were a great introduction to safaris but even when I visited in the early 1980s each time there was an animal sighting there would inevitably be about 20 jeeps surrounding the animal within moments. <BR> <BR>Not only does this affect the feeling of being in the wild seeing the animals in their natural habitat, I have read that it can have a major impact on animal behaviour. <BR> <BR>In Botswana camps are far smaller so this doesnt happen. In order to be able to do this Botswana has long opted to aim for the luxury end market in order to be able to make the same income. <BR> <BR>Choosing is difficult. We chose these two countries because my parents did a similar trip, also incorporating Zimbabwe, 2 years back. We missed Zimbabwe because about when we booked they started massacring white farmers. <BR> <BR>But I have to agree with my parents that they are a great combination because of the incredible contrast. <BR> <BR>Namibia is visually breathtaking. You do see a reasonable number of birds and animals, and it is one of the only places you can see the very rare Desert elephants, but for me, it was about the landscape as much as animals. <BR> <BR>Botswana, whilst beautiful in scenery too was, for me, much more about the game viewing, with Mombo blowing my mind in this respect. <BR> <BR>The 1st installment of the trip report is almost done. <BR> <BR>This bit is easy to write as I am just polishing what I wrote at the time in my diary. The less of my diary is more just a record of what we did and saw so will take me more time to convert into something which really conveys the trip. <BR> <BR>Kavey

Kavey Jul 5th, 2001 04:20 AM

First Installment ready... but the othres may not be this descriptive! <BR> <BR> <BR>16th June 2001 <BR> <BR>After a day in the office and a twenty hour trip involving the London Underground and 2 tiring British Airways flights I stood at the Windhoek airport baggage carousel waiting for our bags and contemplating the 3rd flight of our journey. “Could a remote camp at the edge of the Namib Desert be worthy of such an epic and convoluted journey?” I wondered. <BR> <BR>Twenty minutes later we soared up into the sky in a tiny Cessna 210. Our little craft danced through the air, buffeted by the warm thermals, our spirits lifted and our fatigue drifted away. <BR> <BR>We looked down at the arid land, criss-crossed by long, straight dirt-roads, carved up by zig-zagging, dry riverbeds, and punctuated by rugged hills jutting up randomly from the flatness. The tiny green bushes sprinkled over the dusty orange dirt somehow made the landscape look even more barren. <BR> <BR>Finally we could grasp what the statistics had not fully conveyed: Namibia has a land mass 6 times that of England and a total population of only 1.4 million. She is truly vast and shows little sign of man’s habitation. <BR> <BR>As we continued the earth became redder and the landscape below us evolved into a mass of eroded hills, their corrugated contours like the folds of full gathered skirts. The vista was so immense that from our sun drenched viewpoint we could see a string of clouds floating in the far blue distance and their vast dappled shadows on the ground some thousands of feet below. <BR> <BR>Now the landscape became pale again, flat and blonde with inky-black, hills jutting up here and there. If you let go of the scale for an instant it looked like nothing more than a corner of a pale sandy beach dotted with dark jagged pebbles half submerged in the sand. <BR> <BR>Finally a series of vivid red streaks appeared in the blondeness ahead. These were the tips of the terracotta sand dunes of the Namib desert. It was only as we began to descend that we could see that the blondeness between the red stripes came from the swaying grass concealing much of the sand after this year's exceptional rainfall. <BR> <BR>Our accommodation for the next two nights sat atop the dunes surrounded by the terracotta sands and grass of the NamibRand Nature Reserve. As the Cessna swooped down towards the tiny airstrip we could see more clearly the multitude of mysterious and perfectly circular bald patches where no grass grew. During our stay at the Wolwedans Dune Lodge we would learn much more about these fascinating Fairy Circles as we explored the striking beauty of the Living Desert. <BR>

Robin Jul 5th, 2001 09:31 AM

Kavey-- <BR> <BR>Thanks for your helpful "analysis" of your choices-- it does give me something to work with. <BR> <BR>And regarding your journal...Wow.

Kavey Jul 6th, 2001 12:20 AM

Robin <BR> <BR>Thanks! <BR> <BR>I am intending to write a lot more about the actualy accommodations and practical matters, and this will be much more in the form of regular, informative write ups rather than the more poetic piece above, but this was what I wrote into my diary after a shower and meal at Wolwedans, with a little work on the descriptions, as I had left a few blanks where I couldnt find the words. <BR> <BR>I thoroughly recommend Wolwedans, and the Wilderness Safari camps, Damaraland, Little Mombo, Little Vumbura and Chitabe Trails but would not stay again in the Movenpick Sossusvlei Lodge, instead choosing the Wilderness Safari property in the area. <BR> <BR>Kav

kavey Jul 8th, 2001 12:38 AM

16/ 17 June 2001 <BR> <BR>Wolwedans Dune Lodge <BR> <BR>I would never have imagined that the huge, wonderfully sweet and thirst-quenching watermelon I have always known is a descendant of the tiny, often bitter Tsamma melon of Southern Africa. The size and shape of an orange with the same variegated green markings of the larger watermelon it grows in surprising abundance on the sands of the Namib desert and makes a beautiful contribution to the table decorations at dinner this evening. <BR>

Kavey substitute Jul 8th, 2001 02:13 AM

<BR>The meal itself is a revelation, a gourmet effort worthy of any top <BR>restaurant in Paris, London or New York. The starter is a beautifully <BR>presented dish; a precisely formed pile of crisp apple and smooth avocado <BR>salad, pierced with a few upright strands of crispy, deep-fried spaghetti <BR>which cage long, twisting gratings of raw carrot, and surrounded by thin <BR>slices of rich smoked beef. This is followed by a tender braised rack of <BR>lamb served with a delicate potato gratin and a vegetable ratatouille. <BR>After this we still manage to avail ourselves of dessert: petite, hand-made <BR>orange ravioli served with a caramel sauce and caramelised nuts and <BR>decorated with a shining ball of spun sugar. <BR> <BR>We share the meal with fellow travellers, an American couple revisiting <BR>their honeymoon destination for their 10th anniversary, a German <BR>photo-journalist enjoying his 9th visit to Namibia and a Indian gentleman <BR>with a self-declared passion for Africa which he indulges annually. Our <BR>hosts also join us for dinner: Hermann, the Wolwedans manager, a poetic <BR>soul who revels in the extra touches which make the lodge so appealing and <BR>creates hand-made cards for each guest on the day of departure; Louise, <BR>another manager, a dedicated conservationist and our personal guide during <BR>our stay, this petite and attractive English woman made her home in Africa <BR>some 17 years previously and her passion for the Reserve shines through; <BR>Ralph the young and intensely serious German chef whose creative menu we <BR>have so enjoyed, responsible for training and overseeing the team of local <BR>kitchen staff. His colleagues express much admiration for his dedication to <BR>his team and we all experience their success. <BR> <BR>The accommodation itself is romantic, luxurious and incredibly peaceful. <BR>The lodge is built on wooden platforms, and sits on top of the red sand <BR>dunes at the edge of the Namib Desert. Both the chalets and the public <BR>areas are constructed of solid wooden frames and ceilings, some wooden <BR>walls, and some large canvas walls that can be left completely open to the <BR>panoramic views of the desert beyond. <BR> <BR>The main complex, built on a stilted platform, consists of a bar lounge, a <BR>dining room and a study, the canvas walls on at least one side of each room <BR>left open onto the large area of decking. In one corner of the decking is <BR>an intimate fire pit surrounded by chairs. <BR> <BR>The twelve chalets sit in two groups on either side of the main complex. <BR>Ours is reached via a long, stepped, wooden walkway that crosses over a <BR>large sand dune, hiding the main complex from our chalet, and then a short <BR>walk across the sand. Each time we cross the walkway we examine the new <BR>tracks of birds and animals which mark the shifting sands. We are the only <BR>guests staying in this group of chalets and are slightly unnerved and <BR>thrilled at the same time by the total silence surrounding us, interrupted <BR>only by the sounds of singing birds, scurrying beetles and occasional <BR>animal visitors. <BR> <BR>

More fake Kavey Jul 8th, 2001 02:15 AM

Each of the spacious Chalets sits on it's own stilted platform, providing <BR>warm, wooden flooring underfoot. The large bedroom is dominated by <BR>beautiful wooden beds dressed in soft white linen, and draped with a <BR>romantic mosquito net, knotted and twisted to hang decoratively above the <BR>bed since there is little problem with insects at this time of year. There <BR>is also a wood-walled, open-windowed, en-suite bathroom, well equipped and <BR>environmentally friendly - the water run-off from shower and sink feeds a <BR>tree next to the chalet's solar panel and water tank. From the private <BR>verandah you can admire the blonde grass, red sand and mysterious Fairy <BR>Circles and the Tsamma melons growing on their ground-hugging vines. <BR> <BR>The bed sits up against one wall and the opposite wall we leave completely <BR>open all day and night. The night is cool and we sit on the verandah, <BR>admiring the night sky. We are unaccustomed to seeing such blackness lit up <BR>by so many stars, and are awed by the clarity of the Milky Way Galaxy. M <BR>ars, bright overhead, is also a sight we see rarely at home. We get into <BR>beds warmed by well insulated hot-water bottles and sleep the sleep of <BR>angels. <BR> <BR>We wake up to a sunrise at the foot of our beds, creeping up over the <BR>distant mountains and racing across the sand towards us.This is a <BR>magnificent start to our first full day in Namibia and, after a hot shower <BR>and breakfast, we look forward to exploring the NamibRand Reserve. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>For more information on Wolwedans and the NamibRand Nature Reserve please <BR>visit and <BR> <BR>

Kavey- the doppelganger Jul 8th, 2001 02:18 AM

For the avoidance of doubt the last two postings were Kavey's text pasted in by me because she couldn't get the forum to work She takes fullresponsibility for every thing expect my cackhanded ness

Kavey Jul 8th, 2001 02:38 AM

Thanks Sheila for posting my article for me... <BR> <BR>(If this post adds OK I am going to throw up my hands and give up any attempt at understanding the vagaries of technolody). <BR> <BR>Satisfied that post 2 is safely here I will start on the next one. <BR> <BR>As this may take time if anyone has questions about any aspect of the itinerary please email questions here. <BR> <BR>Kavey

Andy Jul 13th, 2001 06:12 AM

Hi Kavey <BR> <BR>I'm looking forward to the Botswana write up as I've booked a trip there this November. <BR> <BR>We chose Gametrackers Safaris over Wilderness so do you have any experience or info. on them? <BR> <BR>thanks <BR>Andy

Kavey Jul 14th, 2001 03:10 PM

Andy <BR> <BR>I am sorry, no, I have not come across Gametrackers safaris. <BR> <BR>The advantage for us with Wilderness is that they own/ run many very good camps themselves AND have a very good relationship with a charter air company (Sesofane) AND orgamise whole itinerary so it works out very cohesively. <BR> <BR>I wanted to ensure one company was responsible for the whole trip so if anything went wrong there would be no passing the buck, just a concerted effort by all to resolve it. <BR> <BR>I am being a bit slow writing up the rest of the trip because I have a day jobn, am helping my husband develop some new websites (he has his own company) and also trying to work on improvements to the website we created for my mum's recipes recently! <BR> <BR>As I am leaving for SF in less than a week I probably won't get a chance to carry on writing the trip report up until I get back, end July. <BR> <BR>Please feel free to ask specific questions before then (except 21 - 29 july). <BR> <BR>Which camps within Botswana are you visiting? <BR> <BR>Kavey

Andy Jul 17th, 2001 12:18 AM

Kavey <BR> <BR>Gametrackers is owned by Orient Express group and they are handling the whole safari bit including all flights between camps and other ground arrangements. <BR> <BR>Their camps are Savute Elephant camp, Eagle Island Camp and Kwhai River Lodge. <BR> <BR>Do you know these? <BR> <BR>Andy

Kavey Jul 17th, 2001 01:46 AM

Andy <BR>I am sorry I dont know those camps, as we didn't stay in them, though I heard a lot of very positive comments about Savute in general, I cannot recall if they were about the area in general, about the camp you have mentioned, or another camp in the area. <BR> <BR>I am sure you will have the most wonderful time! <BR> <BR>I can answer questions on <BR> <BR>Wolwedans Dune Lodge <BR>Sossusvlei Lodge <BR>Damaraland Camp <BR>Little Mombo <BR>Little Vumbura <BR>Chitabe Trails <BR> <BR>Kindest Regards <BR>Kavita

Andy Jul 17th, 2001 05:55 AM

Kavita <BR> <BR>further thanks for your information. <BR> <BR>We had considered Mombo or Little Mombo and also Chobe Chilwero plus one other when we saw the Gametracker package and went for that. <BR> <BR>We are going on to Mauritius for a week after the safari as we got married there 6 years ago! <BR> <BR>I am already excited about both aspects of the trip and we don't go till November. <BR> <BR>best wishes <BR>Andy

Jone Jul 17th, 2001 07:20 AM

My family just returned from a Wilderness Safari trip to Vic Falls, Botswana and Cape Town. It was great. We did a camping safari in Botswana and it was lots of fun and more affordable than other options. We saw amazing wildlife! Botswana is known locally as the Switzerland of Africa due to its stability and well managed wildlife preserves. We were extremely pleased with our choice of itineraries. It was a great family trip for parents and young adult "children." We highly recommend Wilderness Safaris. Jone

john Jul 17th, 2001 07:15 PM

My wife and I just got back from our Honeymoon in South Africa. We Loved it! We flew South Africian Airways told them it was our Honeymoon and they upgraded us to Business class. We started out in Capetown at the Mt Nelson Hotel. Its a place that hasnt changed for about 50 years. It was charming it retains a Colonial English Feel. They upgraded us to a suite of rooms with champagne and flowers because of the honeymoon and the fact that winter is there low season. The Mt Nelson Breakfast was the best in Africa, they had cavier, champagne and smoked salmon on the Buffet. Next we flew to Port Elizabeth to a Private game reserve called Shamwari. Also wonderful two nights was just the right amount of time. Flew back to Cape Town and stayed in the winelands for 2 nights in Franschhoek at La Quartier francais, a really nice country inn. They also greated us with champagne. Dont miss the local wineries the wine is good and cheap we shipped a case home for about $65. Next we took the Blue train to Pretoria and yes more champagne. We transfred 2 hours to Sun city Lost Palace Hotel. It was something to see but more like disney than Africa. Sun city could be anywhere in the world, but it gave us a chance to golf and have a massage. Nextwe went to Mala Mala game reserve. The Animals were great and yes we did see the Big five. Finally we flew to Joberg were we stayed the night at the grace hotel in the suburb of rosebank. The Grace was just as nice as all the other hotels and we were told it was sake to walk within a few blocks of the hotel even a night. There was a very nice shoppiung complex there called the zone... we didour last minuet shopping and took in the new Tombraider movie. The movie costs about $8 for both of us. The Grace greated us with more champagne flowers and rose petals in the shape of a heart on the bed. Looking back We can't think of a better honeymoon. The weather was in the 70s in the south and in the 80s in the north in the day. It was cool a night. You will need warm clothes including a coat and maybe a hat for the game drives a night especially if you visit Shamwari. We used trans africa safaris out of cape town. Please feel free to email me if you have any questions. <BR> <BR> <BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>

Lisa Jul 23rd, 2001 07:39 AM

Kavey, just started reading your trip report. What a wonderful way with words you have. Looking forward to reading it slowly and carefully.

Kavey Jul 29th, 2001 11:50 AM

Lisa <BR> <BR>Just got back from SF, California, to read your lovely comment, thank you! <BR> <BR>Now I have the SF trip out of the way (went to US to meet with my sister who is half way through a year travelling and now on a plane to New Zealand) I can concentrate on writing the rest of the African trip up. <BR> <BR>It takes me a long time as I am very picky with the descriptions and I have tor eally hunt for the right word and phrase each time... <BR> <BR>THanks for the support... <BR> <BR>Kavey

Celia Jul 30th, 2001 08:04 AM

Kavey, my husband and I have been to Southern Africa 8 or 9 times, and absolutely love that part of the world. Each time we talk about going back, we say "we should go to Namibia", but so far we haven't. Your posting here has changed that! Next time we go, in 2002 or 2003, we're going to Namibia! <BR> <BR>Thanks for the push we needed. <BR> <BR>Celia

Kavey Jul 31st, 2001 12:58 PM

Celia <BR> <BR>I am THRILLED that my post has persuaded you to finally go to Namibia after years of African travel... <BR> <BR>I have spent the last two evenings working through my photos, got through 6 films now, out of 19 altogether, all these being in Namibia and they are so fabulous I want to go back. <BR> <BR>Offer me the chance (and the money) and I would go back in a moment, though realistically, it will be more like a 5 year plus gap, though as there are still so many other wonderous places to see, I have many trips planned before that. <BR> <BR>I don't think many trips could match up to this one though. <BR> <BR>If you want more individual advice or to ask specific questions (espec on the camps, I would stay in all but one again) please email me directly or post here. <BR> <BR>Direct email follows (take out the MOOs): [email protected] <BR> <BR>Cheers <BR>Kavey <BR> <BR>

Laura Aug 7th, 2001 02:56 PM

What was your experience at Chitabe...was the wildlife in abundance...particularly the cats?

Kavey Aug 8th, 2001 12:59 PM

Laura <BR> <BR>I will check my diary to be sure... <BR> <BR>I don't think we saw any cats at Chitabe. Actually, I think we did see a fleeting glimpse of a leopard but not for very long, not close up and not a photographic opportunity. <BR> <BR>We really didnt see much of anything at this camp, a few birds really and thats it. <BR> <BR>I would personally recommend in Botswana Little Mombo for game viewing, it is literally right there within a metre of the jeep. Often so close that I couldnt get a shot because I had my 100-300mm lens on and the cat/ elephant/ animal was way too close for that! It is more expensive than other camps but the guides are superb, especially B.K. who is a particularly highly thought of guide, I think he may be the Guide Manager too. <BR> <BR>Also you should try and visit somewhere like Little Vumbura for a water experience, this camp offers Mokoro (canoe) trips, the nearest I can describe it is like a bush version of a Venetian gondola ride through Nature... also flat powerboat trips, for the sunset and for fishing... <BR> <BR>A great contrast to drier Mombo, I will never forget the papyrus lined waterways... <BR> <BR>Are you planning to visit Namibia too? They make a wonderful combination and offer intense contrasts. <BR> <BR>BTW I am intending to write more of the journal up but other commitments including a trip to USA have conspired against me. <BR> <BR>Kavey <BR> <BR>PS Laura, please feel free to email, miss out commas, spaces, and Moos (in at attempt to fool the automatic gophers or bots which mine popular forums looking for valid email addresses for mailing lists). <BR> <BR>kavMOOi ta_fav elle @ MOOtalk21. com <BR> <BR>

Kavey Aug 9th, 2001 12:19 AM

Linda <BR> <BR>I looked at my journal last night and it was two Cheetah brothers we saw at Chitabe. We followed them at a real distance (binoculars) for a short while before they sat down in the tall grass and we left to continue our unsuccessful attempt to find the lions whose tracks we had been following. <BR> <BR>Chitabe was quite good for birds (not as good as Mombo), pretty good for baboon families, which we did get a little closer to, and not too bad for zebra, impala etc. <BR> <BR>We did miss a game drive at this camp, as I was unwell, so perhaps we would have seen more but I believe the other guests said all they saw on that drive was the two Cheetahs who we caught up with that afternoon anyway. <BR> <BR>The biggest advantage in Mombo was the proxomity. <BR> <BR>There are not too many jeeps in the area, but the animals are familiar with them, most cats having really grown up with the sound and sight. <BR> <BR>Therefore you can get really really close... many of my cat pictures have a piece of the jeep in shot because I didnt have a wide enough angle lens, and the animals were right up next to the (open) jeep... <BR> <BR>Excellent...

Kavey Aug 9th, 2001 12:20 AM

That last post was to Laura not Linda, sorry!

Book Chick Aug 9th, 2001 04:51 PM

Kavey, <BR>I came here specifically to read your post of your adventure in Africa. What a delight! I sensed from something you said on the European board that you were not always treated with kindness, but you obviously did not let that mar your trip & I am so happy for you & all the lucky people who're reading what you've written--including myself! <BR>BC

Kavey Aug 10th, 2001 05:09 AM

Hey Book Chick <BR> <BR>Just to clarify, in Namibia and Botswana we were treated with nothing but kindness, excellent service, friendliness, genuine warmth... <BR> <BR>It was only on a long-ago trip to Kenya that I experienced the most profound and simmering racism that I mentioned in that post on the Europe board which I think you are referring to? (Where would you not go back to?) <BR> <BR>This June 2001 holiday was one of the best trips I have ever taken... and I would go back there this very minute if I could afford to do so... (and had any leave left) <BR> <BR>If I won the lottery I would be there now!

Lynda Howland Aug 11th, 2001 12:15 PM

For anyone who is interested: last October I did a 16 day safari (camping) in Botswana for US$1600 (Drifters out of Jo'Burg), all inclusive; air fare was about $1300 from N.Y. Then we flew to Namibia and did a 10 day trip there for about $800 (Chameleon). Both were incredible trips. You can do Botswana cheaply. If anyone would like more information, please e-mail me, as I rarely review this site.

kavey Nov 1st, 2001 02:06 PM

Lynda <BR>Those sound like great trips... <BR>Did you write any trip reports when you got home which you would share? <BR>Kavey

THAVERY Nov 5th, 2001 10:38 AM

Hi Kavey, <BR> <BR>I'm planning a trip to see Victoria Falls and also stay at Chobe Chilwero in Botswana for the games drives this coming June. The package is offered through Thompsons Tours in South Africa. Have you ever heard of this company and do they have a good track record?

Kavey Nov 5th, 2001 11:39 AM

Hi there <BR> <BR>I have never heard of Thompson Tours (which is strange as I work for the UK's largest tour operator, Thomson Holidays) but we have no presence at all in Botswana or anywhere near it so I know it isn't us. <BR> <BR>Unfortunately I didn't visit the camps you mention either. <BR> <BR>Sorry not to be more helpful. <BR> <BR>What country are you based in? If it's UK I can recommend the UK travel agency we used which was Sunvil. The operator for most of our trip in Africa was Wilderness Safaris but Sunvil put the trip together and advised on where to stay and so on. <BR> <BR>Kavey

Andy Nov 6th, 2001 05:47 AM

Hi Kavey <BR> <BR>Does Big T know you're consorting with the independents???

kavey Nov 6th, 2001 07:44 AM

Hi Andy <BR> <BR>Ha ha :) <BR> <BR>No! <BR> <BR>But they don't deal with this area of Africa anyway! <BR> <BR>I would probably use my own company's trips if I went to Kenya, which we do sell, because I could use one of my twice a year discounts. <BR> <BR>But only if we offered the same accommodation etc that I had already decided on! <BR> <BR>I often do independent trips, particularly to places where Thomson don't go and also where I can gain advantage from booking independently, e.g. a driving holiday to France. <BR> <BR>Any more trip reports from namibia and botswana! <BR> <BR>kavey

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