Anyone taken Oddysseys Unlimited "Africa's Wildlife" tour?
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Wait until you get your destinations set..tipping varies whether it is a hotel, a guide, a safari guide, etc. Too early to tell now. If you book with a travel planner, they will give you all that info. In the high-end safari camps they advise something like equivalent of US$20 per person per day for the ranger/safari guide. But that is just a general idea. You should tip in local currency, by the way. Also, please be aware of the wonderful organization, pack for a purpose, which distributes much-needed items to locals in the area you will be headed. Well before my departure date, I try to save any things like athletic shoes and school and office supplies to bring with me. Last time I gave away several pair of almost new designer sneakers that my neighbor had been ready to throw out.
https://www.packforapurpose.org/destinations/africa/
https://www.packforapurpose.org/destinations/africa/
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ok, so some things I'm going to draw your attention to... and some hard decisions.
You don't want to go to SA... but yet your first itinerary spent at least 2 days there. You are better off connecting through Europe (or somewhere else) and saving your money. Would you connect through Qatar? They have some great (ie cheap) flight options right now and have gotten very high reviews.
I get that you don't want to connect. But you will have to, most likely. I would rather spend a little extra time with a connection (and I HATE connecting) than go to a place I don't want to (ie. J'burg). Look again what I said about our flights. Yes, we connected through Frankfurt. Yet, we only "lost" one day ... if you leave at 11am NYC time and arrive at 8am J'burg time, your day in J'burg is essentially a "travel" day since you won't have access to a hotel room, are coming off a long flight, and just generally feel like cr@p. If you leave in the evening, connect through Europe, and arrive at night, you can then get a good night's sleep and be ready to go the next day.
I hope that you will get a good response from one of the agents you contacted.
(and maybe I am wrong about connecting, but that is how I see it... anyone else want to chime in with their thoughts?)
You don't want to go to SA... but yet your first itinerary spent at least 2 days there. You are better off connecting through Europe (or somewhere else) and saving your money. Would you connect through Qatar? They have some great (ie cheap) flight options right now and have gotten very high reviews.
I get that you don't want to connect. But you will have to, most likely. I would rather spend a little extra time with a connection (and I HATE connecting) than go to a place I don't want to (ie. J'burg). Look again what I said about our flights. Yes, we connected through Frankfurt. Yet, we only "lost" one day ... if you leave at 11am NYC time and arrive at 8am J'burg time, your day in J'burg is essentially a "travel" day since you won't have access to a hotel room, are coming off a long flight, and just generally feel like cr@p. If you leave in the evening, connect through Europe, and arrive at night, you can then get a good night's sleep and be ready to go the next day.
I hope that you will get a good response from one of the agents you contacted.
(and maybe I am wrong about connecting, but that is how I see it... anyone else want to chime in with their thoughts?)
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Surfmom you’re right, there aren’t many options for nonstop flights from US to Africa. Flying out of JFK makes things easier, with non-stop flights on South African, Kenya Airways and Ethiopian. But those are helpful only if you’re going to those countries. If you’re going to Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Tanzania, Rwanda, you need to connect. Connecting in Europe is more commonly done on KLM, British Airways, Lufthansa or Air France (though the latter is usually Kenya Airways from Paris). I have friends who’ve gone Qatar, Etihad, Emirates and Turkish. Turkish is quite cheap but arrives and departs middle of the night, which is awkward. It may not be possible and/or cost effective not to connect somewhere, either here or in Europe or Africa, Some destinations you just can’t get to directly.
Re: tipping...follow the guidance of your safari planner. Usually I tip the guide, driver and spotter (whoever I have with me) plus a group tip per day for camp/lodge staff. ALWAYS tip in local currency. It’s unfair to pass off the currency conversion cost to them and they don’t often get to big cities where they can convert the money themselves.
Re: tipping...follow the guidance of your safari planner. Usually I tip the guide, driver and spotter (whoever I have with me) plus a group tip per day for camp/lodge staff. ALWAYS tip in local currency. It’s unfair to pass off the currency conversion cost to them and they don’t often get to big cities where they can convert the money themselves.
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What I meant is I don't have a need to go to Johannesburg/South Africa.
Many flights I looked up arrive +2 days later, so if we leave on a Sunday for instance, we don't get to wherever we're going until Tues. That's an extra day lost and we only have a certain number of vacation days from work. I believe we could fly into Livibgstone and get to see the Falls.
As far as the Odysseys group tour is concerned, the safari rides are set. If I'm assigned to a group of 6 to a jeep and someone doesn't want to go on a sunset ride, the ride still goes. It will have no effect on me. That person or persons will just stay back at the lodge while the rest of us go off on our safari. No one holds anyone else back.
Anyway, I'll see if any of the agents I wrote to get back to me tomorrow.
Many flights I looked up arrive +2 days later, so if we leave on a Sunday for instance, we don't get to wherever we're going until Tues. That's an extra day lost and we only have a certain number of vacation days from work. I believe we could fly into Livibgstone and get to see the Falls.
As far as the Odysseys group tour is concerned, the safari rides are set. If I'm assigned to a group of 6 to a jeep and someone doesn't want to go on a sunset ride, the ride still goes. It will have no effect on me. That person or persons will just stay back at the lodge while the rest of us go off on our safari. No one holds anyone else back.
Anyway, I'll see if any of the agents I wrote to get back to me tomorrow.
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I was contacted by a couple of agencies. One, Daisy du Plessis from Southern Destinations, sent me two possible itineraries.
What do you think?
https://wetu.com/Itinerary/Overview/1a4d3508-b9f7-443c-9d14-77a239986105
AND - (the more expensive one - and more days)
https://wetu.com/Itinerary/Landing/F...8-D451E7F64CD1
What do you think?
https://wetu.com/Itinerary/Overview/1a4d3508-b9f7-443c-9d14-77a239986105
AND - (the more expensive one - and more days)
https://wetu.com/Itinerary/Landing/F...8-D451E7F64CD1
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I'd go with the second one, only because if I'm traveling for 2 days to get there and 2 to get back, I'm going to do more than 6 days on safari. I'd research the camps well and make sure they're to your liking (Africa Travel Resource site is excellent for this, with lots of photos so you know what you're getting into).
#29
Surely you know that Botswana is considering lifting their ban on elephant "culls".
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/22/69699...=1551138595299
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/22/69699...=1551138595299
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@amyb - I was interested in your mention of paying a single supplement. I travel solo, and had been thinking that probably meant a tour of some kind if I wanted to do a safari. If you go solo do you get your own jeep, driver and (if necessary) guide? How high is the supplement likely to go as a percent of the per person/double price?
Right now I would only be interested in three or four days in Kruger NP as part of a longer SA trip, ideally including the Blue Train, or at least the route.
Right now I would only be interested in three or four days in Kruger NP as part of a longer SA trip, ideally including the Blue Train, or at least the route.
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Thursdaysd— I’ve had a few different experiences. Not all camps charge a single supplement at all (Offbeat Mara does not, I’ve been there twice). Some camps do but my safari planner has managed to get it waived due to their relationship with the camps. And sometimes I just pay it. It varies from 1/4 to 1/2 of the per person per night cost. That doesn’t mean I get my own vehicle though. It’s just making up for the fact that I’m taking up a tent that they could be getting twice what I’m paying for it. There is a family of camps in Kenya and Tanzania, Serian, who give every party their own vehicle/guide but that’s reflected in their price.
So far though, when I’ve gone alone, most of the experiences of sharing with other guests have been fine. Most places I’ve been only put 4 in a vehicle, so I end up with another couple and that’s it. Once I ended up with a family with young boys, which was awesome, they were great kids. I’ve had maybe 10 game drives that were just me and my guides due to guests coming and going. On my last safari I was with a retired brother and sister duo who were amazing people. We bonded pretty quickly and were all a soggy mess when we said goodbye after 5 days; still close on Facebook and hoping to meet up sometime this year. Only once did it really stink and that was a young twenty-something and her parents. They were fine but she was very entitled and demanded to sleep in when we (her parents and I) wanted to do a pre-dawn ride. She demanded to be picked up at 8:30, which limited how far away from camp we could go before we had to turn around to go back for her. Her parents were embarrassed and didn’t want to go back for her, but the guide insisted to keep her happy. When I settle into a camp, I let the camp manager know what I’m interested in, and what I’m not, so they don’t pair me with a bunch of birders or reptile fans and will know I expect to be out before sunrise and back after dark. So far, that’s worked out fine for me in terms of interests.
All said, I wouldn’t let the single supplement or vehicle sharing stop you at all. You can find more affordable camps or work with a safari planner who knows how to work around them.
So far though, when I’ve gone alone, most of the experiences of sharing with other guests have been fine. Most places I’ve been only put 4 in a vehicle, so I end up with another couple and that’s it. Once I ended up with a family with young boys, which was awesome, they were great kids. I’ve had maybe 10 game drives that were just me and my guides due to guests coming and going. On my last safari I was with a retired brother and sister duo who were amazing people. We bonded pretty quickly and were all a soggy mess when we said goodbye after 5 days; still close on Facebook and hoping to meet up sometime this year. Only once did it really stink and that was a young twenty-something and her parents. They were fine but she was very entitled and demanded to sleep in when we (her parents and I) wanted to do a pre-dawn ride. She demanded to be picked up at 8:30, which limited how far away from camp we could go before we had to turn around to go back for her. Her parents were embarrassed and didn’t want to go back for her, but the guide insisted to keep her happy. When I settle into a camp, I let the camp manager know what I’m interested in, and what I’m not, so they don’t pair me with a bunch of birders or reptile fans and will know I expect to be out before sunrise and back after dark. So far, that’s worked out fine for me in terms of interests.
All said, I wouldn’t let the single supplement or vehicle sharing stop you at all. You can find more affordable camps or work with a safari planner who knows how to work around them.
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the link about Botswana possibly lifting their hunting ban. However, I think that "The group also recommends establishing elephant meat canning, including for the production of pet food and other byproducts." would make me feel that at least the meat was being used. So, that would not be trophy hunting.